Nintendo Switch Lite announced at $199, launches September 20th, "dedicated handheld" (smaller, has D-Pad, has gyro, no HD Rumble, no dock/TV output)

Which colour Nintendo Switch Lite is your favourite?

  • Grey

    Votes: 654 19.6%
  • Yellow

    Votes: 740 22.2%
  • Turquoise

    Votes: 1,200 36.0%
  • Pokémon Sword and Shield Edition

    Votes: 739 22.2%

  • Total voters
    3,333

Alandring

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Feb 2, 2018
1,214
Switzerland
I honestly do not know enough about the tech that the Switch and dock use to know whether the $90 price for the dock is reasonable or absurd. I do know that Nintendo would make more money selling someone a $200 lite then having them purchase a $90 dock and $70 joycons separately. And I know Nintendo likes money. So... I really think there was just no way to have the lite be dockable and hit the $199 price point.

Of course, stranger things have happened and I could be totally wrong.
The Switch lite is to small for the current dock, so they should have created a different dock, just for it. So they probably think that there wouldn't be enough people who would buy a Switch Lite and a dock to justify the cost. Switch Lite is easier to conceive (it doesn't need to have two different modes) and to explain as an handheld only, so even if it was possible, it's probably more profitable like that.
 

Spacejaws

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Oct 27, 2017
1,576
Scotland
Bandwidth is not the reason most people use the adapter for.
Even so I take the Switch out of the dock to download games. Really backwards implementation. Even then playing wireless I have the same amount of problems as wired.

Guilt tripping the fighting game community to run lines through their house and wire up their devices is pure snobbery. Some obviously benefit from it but flapping your arms when someone plays wifi is childish and from watching FGC player streams they whine about it all the time even if the match plays fine.
 

Solid

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Oct 27, 2017
6,718
Even so I take the Switch out of the dock to download games. Really backwards implementation. Even then playing wireless I have the same amount of problems as wired.

Guilt tripping the fighting game community to run lines through their house and wire up their devices is pure snobbery. Some obviously benefit from it but flapping your arms when someone plays wifi is childish.
Depends on your lan adapter, some have higher bandwidths than others in practice on Switch.
And it’s always been common FG courtesy to wire your shit up to play online if it’s within your ability to. I’m not gonna harass ppl over it but it’s not a snobby thing to ask, it takes two to tango after all.
 

Ac30

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Oct 30, 2017
11,150
London
That's a nice situation, I think many people go crazy trying to get a exploitable Switch haha I assume you play more in handheld/tabletop mode than docked right?
Yep, the low res in many games hurts my eyes...

But yeah if anyone wants to pony up €300 for a near-launch day model (latest FW tho) I’d be game :P
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,481
I guess an issue with pricing and features is that Nintendo probably wants both systems to have value and offer different things and to not sell it at a loss.
Switch lite is a great entry level device, $100 cheaper but can play basically every game just as well.
Normal Switch is a great device with more features, but is currently $300.

I feel like the normal Switch needs a price drop or a bundle...or something to raise the value.
if they don’t do something by this holiday that’s 3 years without a bundle or a price drop which I don’t think is smart/limiting their audience.
64GB model would be a start, especially if they fix the build quality issues.
I think that and a bundle would be pretty attractive, though maybe they’d just save that for Black Friday.

Issue would be to not make it so valuable that it makes the switch lite look like a further poor value.
 

El-Suave

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Oct 27, 2017
1,524
I‘m pleasantly surprised by the price difference, what I don‘t like is that Nintendo is taxing us Europeans again by ignoring the old practice that $=€ when they convert the prices. I waited with getting a Switch for a deal to get around that.
 

Lelouch0612

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Oct 25, 2017
8,441
I guess an issue with pricing and features is that Nintendo probably wants both systems to have value and offer different things and to not sell it at a loss.
Switch lite is a great entry level device, $100 cheaper but can play basically every game just as well.
Normal Switch is a great device with more features, but is currently $300.

I feel like the normal Switch needs a price drop or a bundle...or something to raise the value.
if they don’t do something by this holiday that’s 3 years without a bundle or a price drop which I don’t think is smart/limiting their audience.
64GB model would be a start, especially if they fix the build quality issues.
I think that and a bundle would be pretty attractive, though maybe they’d just save that for Black Friday.

Issue would be to not make it so valuable that it makes the switch lite look like a further poor value.
With the Switch up double digits in several markets, the avalanche of games coming and the Lite's launch, there is no point in lowering definitively the OG price.

However they are apparently releasing a new model with some improvements so instead of lowering price they are increasing the perceived value of the 300$ SKU. It is smart.
 

XandBosch

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Oct 27, 2017
3,492
A pro console doesn't split anything. They could have kept this new design and TV ouput. To say TV output is worth a $100 difference is ridiculous. Switch is and will always be primarily a handheld system. To make a cheaper half baked version makes no sense to me. I would rather wait for a 199 switch then get a gimped one.
I mean I don't disagree that they could've kept the TV output, but maybe there's a reason for it (others have speculated that it'd overheat or something) - but that's not the only difference either. There aren't any joy con, no HD rumble, etc. - that's got to cut down on costs too.
 

Dekuman

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Oct 27, 2017
8,063
I mean I don't disagree that they could've kept the TV output, but maybe there's a reason for it (others have speculated that it'd overheat or something) - but that's not the only difference either. There aren't any joy con, no HD rumble, etc. - that's got to cut down on costs too.
It justifies the $100 price difference
 

greelay

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Oct 26, 2017
43
Yes, for all except a select few (albeit prominent ones - Splatoon 2, animal crossing, Pokemon) which don't have cloud saves (something related to cheating through save file manipulation), in which case for those specifically you would need to click on "transfer save" on one Switch and "receive save" on the other before you go out, so much less seamless. But this is only for those games.
What the fuck is wrong with them? That is frustrating.
 

LuuKyK

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Oct 29, 2017
1,038
Brazil
Any chance the regular switch version will get a price drop even if not officially announced be Nintendo? I was always interested in it and was waiting for these new versions, but the lack of a docked option is just not a good deal for me. The upgraded version (if it is announced) will probably be way too expensive for me too, so I guess I am left with OG Switch. Oh well.

Edit: and btw Turquoise is the only possible answer. It looks amazing.

Edit2: nvm just saw the other thread about the revision/pro version.
 
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Meatwad

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,264
USA
I guess an issue with pricing and features is that Nintendo probably wants both systems to have value and offer different things and to not sell it at a loss.
Switch lite is a great entry level device, $100 cheaper but can play basically every game just as well.
Normal Switch is a great device with more features, but is currently $300.

I feel like the normal Switch needs a price drop or a bundle...or something to raise the value.
if they don’t do something by this holiday that’s 3 years without a bundle or a price drop which I don’t think is smart/limiting their audience.
64GB model would be a start, especially if they fix the build quality issues.
I think that and a bundle would be pretty attractive, though maybe they’d just save that for Black Friday.

Issue would be to not make it so valuable that it makes the switch lite look like a further poor value.
They’ve had bundles already

Mario Kart 8 Bundle
Super Mario Odyssey Bundle
Mario Tennis Aces Bundle
Pokemon Let’s Go bundle
 

AndrewGPK

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Oct 27, 2017
1,019
I guess an issue with pricing and features is that Nintendo probably wants both systems to have value and offer different things and to not sell it at a loss.
Switch lite is a great entry level device, $100 cheaper but can play basically every game just as well.
Normal Switch is a great device with more features, but is currently $300.

I feel like the normal Switch needs a price drop or a bundle...or something to raise the value.
if they don’t do something by this holiday that’s 3 years without a bundle or a price drop which I don’t think is smart/limiting their audience.
64GB model would be a start, especially if they fix the build quality issues.
I think that and a bundle would be pretty attractive, though maybe they’d just save that for Black Friday.

Issue would be to not make it so valuable that it makes the switch lite look like a further poor value.


For $100 more you get a dock, controller adapters, TV out, detachable controllers for multiplayer along with a kickstand for tabletop, rumble, IR, and a bigger screen. It's already a better value and it has seen bundles and price drops that will continue and get better around the holidays.


I think for now the OG Switch needs to be Nintendo's premium model so its gonna stay $300. My guess is that Switch Pro will actually just be the revised OG Switch (bigger screen/no bevel, faster, improved dock, similar size to make joy cons compatible) and will take the place of the existing Switch so that Nintendo isn't selling 3 different versions long term.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,752
Man, the more I see the Lite the more I wish it had TV output. I’d totally upgrade if it did. Love the Turqoise model, it’s smaller, better battery life, etc. I could live without joy cons since i already have so many controllers

I was tempted to get one of these pre-reveal for my wife but without TV it just seems like an inferior purchase when you could spend $100 more and get a lot more functionality.
 
Feb 10, 2018
12,131
People aren't actually that obtuse, they just like to concern troll. It's like the LABO thread all over again: IT'S NOT FOR ME AND THEREFORE IT'S DUMB AND IT SUCKS.
I think there's a good deal of people who actually wanted a switch mini to be exactly like a OG switch but just smaller, and they are just expressing this.
It's not all malicious.
 
Jul 26, 2018
567
Ok... so...

The Lite version sounds awesome. But if the pro model is ever coming, how will it exactly be pro? Is it better performance, resolution, frame rates on console port only? What about the portable mode? Will it be the same thing? I don't have a Switch but I'm seriously considering getting he Switch lite now.. looks sweet!
 

ILikeFeet

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Oct 25, 2017
20,737
Ok... so...

The Lite version sounds awesome. But if the pro model is ever coming, how will it exactly be pro? Is it better performance, resolution, frame rates on console port only? What about the portable mode? Will it be the same thing? I don't have a Switch but I'm seriously considering getting he Switch lite now.. looks sweet!
If WSJ is to be accurate, it might at least have a better screen.
 

Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
6,694
Limburg
I think there's a good deal of people who actually wanted a switch mini to be exactly like a OG switch but just smaller, and they are just expressing this.
It's not all malicious.
I just wanted a dockable Lite.

The functionality is there, they could have sold a stand alone dock or made it to fit the current dock. (USBC+Tegra) But they chose not to, and force the switch to not dock through software.

That’s a bit frustrating.
 

Meatwad

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,264
USA
Ok... so...

The Lite version sounds awesome. But if the pro model is ever coming, how will it exactly be pro? Is it better performance, resolution, frame rates on console port only? What about the portable mode? Will it be the same thing? I don't have a Switch but I'm seriously considering getting he Switch lite now.. looks sweet!
I think the initial report mentioned a higher resolution screen. So I’m guessing a 1080p screen for a start
 

Jbone115

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Oct 25, 2017
781
I just wanted a dockable Lite.

The functionality is there, they could have sold a stand alone dock or made it to fit the current dock. (USBC+Tegra) But they chose not to, and force the switch to not dock through software.

That’s a bit frustrating.
How do we know it’s just a software “stop,” and not an engineering concern (overheating, packaging, etc) ?
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,481
With the Switch up double digits in several markets, the avalanche of games coming and the Lite's launch, there is no point in lowering definitively the OG price.

However they are apparently releasing a new model with some improvements so instead of lowering price they are increasing the perceived value of the 300$ SKU. It is smart.
I did mention that I felt they had to either: drop the price, bundle it, or raise the value. At the very least. Doubling the internal storage seems like a nice enough comprimise, though I'm pretty sure sony and MS will be dropping the price of their machines this holiday so it might not be enough. Bundling in something like super mario party, which doesn't work on the Switch lite, might be a good idea.
They’ve had bundles already

Mario Kart 8 Bundle
Super Mario Odyssey Bundle
Mario Tennis Aces Bundle
Pokemon Let’s Go bundle
By bundles I mean cost saving bundles. IIRC, all of those except the MK8 bundles were like $350+. Mario Kart 8 Bundle was black friday only.
The most they've done is bundling in $30 in eshop currency which is on going in europe and japan.
For $100 more you get a dock, controller adapters, TV out, detachable controllers for multiplayer along with a kickstand for tabletop, rumble, IR, and a bigger screen. It's already a better value and it has seen bundles and price drops that will continue and get better around the holidays.


I think for now the OG Switch needs to be Nintendo's premium model so its gonna stay $300. My guess is that Switch Pro will actually just be the revised OG Switch (bigger screen/no bevel, faster, improved dock, similar size to make joy cons compatible) and will take the place of the existing Switch so that Nintendo isn't selling 3 different versions long term.
It's a better value for us, but anyone that doesn't care about those features would likely prefer $100 off. It's a careful balance that needs to be struck between giving enough value for both to exist.
 

ILikeFeet

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Oct 25, 2017
20,737
How do we know it’s just a software “stop,” and not an engineering concern (overheating, packaging, etc) ?
We know how video out works, it's a separate chip on the mainboard. They can just not put that chip on there and that will prevent TV play unless you do a hardware hack.

Or they could do a software lock, but those chips cost money
 

Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
6,694
Limburg
How do we know it’s just a software “stop,” and not an engineering concern (overheating, packaging, etc) ?
Packaging what?

It appears to have a fan just like the Og Switch. The original switch doesn’t really heat up much during docked play. I don’t have any reason to suppose that, but we likely won’t know till someone opens one up.
 

Spish!

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Oct 27, 2017
92
I'm digging the passive agressive insult. Well done. Its also fine to ask a company cannibalize its own success. Just like its okay to think that it would be a dumb move. Or a fuck up big time as some would say.
So the new Switch revision outselling an older one is "cannibalizing their success"?

There's still a clear product delineation between a smaller more portable Switch and a larger one bundled with joycon and a dock. It shouldn't matter to Nintendo if one SKU is more popular than the other since for docked play they'd take in the same revenue for both.

Honestly where is the upside of a smaller Switch that doesn't actually Switch?
 

Turnbl

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Oct 27, 2017
64
Because I had so much fun compiling this earlier, I added in the Game Boys...

1989 GB $90 / £70
1998 GBC $70 / £80
2001 GBA $100 / £80
2003 GBA SP $100 / £90
2005 GB Micro $100 / £70
2005 DS $150 / £130
2006 DS lite $130 / £100
2009 DSi $170 / £150
2010 DSi XL $190 / £160
2011 3DS $250 / £230
2012 3DS XL $200 / £180
2013 2DS $130 / £110
2015 New 3DS $180 / £150
2015 New 3DS XL $200 - $216 / £170
2017 2DS XL $150 -> $157 / £130
2017 Switch $300 -> $313 / £280
2019 Switch lite $200 / £200

...and here are the prices individually adjusted for inflation! (fun times)

1989 GB $186 / £171
1998 GBC $110 / £138
2001 GBA $144 / £128
2003 GBA SP $139 / £140
2005 GB Micro $131 / £103
2005 DS $197 / £191
2006 DS lite $165 / £142
2009 DSi $203 / £198
2010 DSi XL $223 / £202
2011 3DS $285 / £275
2012 3DS XL $223 / £209
2013 2DS $143 / £124
2015 New 3DS $195 / £163
2015 New 3DS XL $216 / £185
2017 2DS XL $157 / £134
2017 Switch $313 / £289
2019 Switch lite $200 / £200

So in the end I guess it's pretty competitively priced?
 

Titik

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Oct 25, 2017
4,450
I've gotten around to this idea. Someone made an iPod touch and iPhone comparison and this is exactly that.

199 will also get Nintendo closer to its goal of one Switch per child goal that Nintendo has.
 

AndrewGPK

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Oct 27, 2017
1,019
It's a better value for us, but anyone that doesn't care about those features would likely prefer $100 off. It's a careful balance that needs to be struck between giving enough value for both to exist.


To me the ability to use the system on a TV and share with multiple users makes it a better value for most families. The Switch Lite is a more personal, 1 person system.

I really couldn't recommend it over the original even for single adults. There are several games out there that are notoriously worse or low performance in handheld mode (eyes XC2) and a lot of titles that aren't optimized for handheld and already have ridiculously small in-game text in handheld model on the original Switch's bigger portable screen.
 

senj

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Nov 6, 2017
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I just wanted a dockable Lite.

The functionality is there, they could have sold a stand alone dock or made it to fit the current dock. (USBC+Tegra) But they chose not to, and force the switch to not dock through software.

That’s a bit frustrating.
We’ll know in September when we see a tear down but they’ve likely removed the relevant hardware from the Switch Lite to reduce manufacturing costs. “USBC+Tegra” is not, by itself, enough to support DisplayPort alternate mode over the USB3 connection.
 

steviejd1

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Nov 8, 2017
5,594
Okay? That doesn't justify its price to me as a consumer.
Consumers want shit for free. Even if it was $150 there would still be some saying it's too expensive.

It's a newer processor that allows the system to be smaller (due to smaller battery needed and probably smaller fan). Advancements in tech isn't always just about more power.