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Seraphic

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Oct 29, 2017
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Yes cuase that exactly what the industry needs, a 3rd carbon copy poorman PC to play call of duty.
Switch being different is what helped it, people saw value in it that is not in PS4 or Xbone
Also why would the go for a full consoles only when they have virtually a monopoly of the dedicated handheld market?

I know there are a lot Nintendo fans but I honestly wonder why is Nintendo even in the dedicated console market anymore. Profits from selling hardware? License fees from the few third parties who publish on their hardware? Thing is though, when you buy a third party game on Switch, rather then XBX/PS4, you are getting a sub-par version of the game for the same price. It is obvious that Nintendo is not able to provide enough first party games to keep a dedicated console library interesting (look at Wii U). So why not just do what Sega did and go third party? Hell, the only reason I purchased a Switch at launch was because I was hoping for a new F-Zero game and so far I have been left very disappointed. Did you know it has been 15 years since the last true F-Zero game? Yes they were successful with the 3DS and should have maybe done a dedicated handheld successor. But for consoles, they are always behind Sony/Microsoft and I wonder if they would have more resources to produce more games as a third party without having dedicated console hardware to manage?
 

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I know there are a lot Nintendo fans but I honestly wonder why is Nintendo even in the dedicated console market anymore. Profits from selling hardware? License fees from the few third parties who publish on their hardware? Thing is though, when you buy a third party game on Switch, rather then XBX/PS4, you are getting a sub-par version of the game for the same price. It is obvious that Nintendo is not able to provide enough first party games to keep a dedicated console library interesting (look at Wii U). So why not just do what Sega did and go third party? Hell, the only reason I purchased a Switch at launch was because I was hoping for a new F-Zero game and so far I have been left very disappointed. Did you know it has been almost 15 years since the last true F-Zero game? Yes they were successful with the 3DS and should have maybe done a dedicated handheld successor. But for consoles, they are always behind Sony/Microsoft and I wonder if they would have more resources to produce more games as a third party without having dedicated console hardware to manage?

Is this a troll post?
 

DC5remy

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Jan 20, 2018
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Anyone having any crashing issues? The stick of truth crashed on me today, that was the first time I have seen a switch crash.
 

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No. But I admit I am venting a little because it has been 15 years since the last F-Zero game.
I do think Nintendo would have more resources to put into game development if they followed Sega and went third party though.

Yes because Sega is doing so well as just a games developer...

The Switch is selling close to Wii numbers, Nintendo are not going third party any time soon.

Edit: What has any of this got to do with the thread anyway, it seems like you are derailing for no reason?
 

Seraphic

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Oct 29, 2017
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Yes because Sega is doing so well as just a games developer...

The Switch is selling close to Wii numbers, Nintendo are not going third party any time soon.

Edit: What has any of this got to do with the thread anyway, it seems like you are derailing for no reason?

Yeah, guess it is the wrong thread to vent a little. Won't post anymore.
 

Sagadego17

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Oct 25, 2017
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No. But I admit I am venting a little because it has been 15 years since the last F-Zero game.
I do think Nintendo would have more resources to put into game development if they followed Sega and went third party though.
so yeah troll post then. sorry sega can meh now they went 3rd party, 3d sonic is bad to sub-par. only good games now is Yakuza and valkyira
 

Nolbertos

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Dec 9, 2017
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I know there are a lot Nintendo fans but I honestly wonder why is Nintendo even in the dedicated console market anymore. Profits from selling hardware? License fees from the few third parties who publish on their hardware? Thing is though, when you buy a third party game on Switch, rather then XBX/PS4, you are getting a sub-par version of the game for the same price. It is obvious that Nintendo is not able to provide enough first party games to keep a dedicated console library interesting (look at Wii U). So why not just do what Sega did and go third party? Hell, the only reason I purchased a Switch at launch was because I was hoping for a new F-Zero game and so far I have been left very disappointed. Did you know it has been 15 years since the last true F-Zero game? Yes they were successful with the 3DS and should have maybe done a dedicated handheld successor. But for consoles, they are always behind Sony/Microsoft and I wonder if they would have more resources to produce more games as a third party without having dedicated console hardware to manage?

Notsureifserious.gif. Ok I'll bite. Firstly Nintendo, has stated that if they leave the hardware market, it'll be the end of Nintendo as an entertainment company, as gaming alone doesn't alway provide new forms of entertainment. secondly, more and more people are becoming portable gamers via mobile phones, Vita or Switch. Lastly Nintendo are raking money with the Switch. Why the hell would Nintendo go 3rd party if they're making money on hardware?? Lastly having more resources doesn't equate to producing more games. Look at how Sega, SNK and Hudsonsoft did after exiting the hardware business, they're all struggling. Sure Nintendo could maybe be an EA or SE but then they wouldn't provide new ways to game that seem to hit it with kids, teens and adults.
 

SiG

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Oct 25, 2017
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I know there are a lot Nintendo fans but I honestly wonder why is Nintendo even in the dedicated console market anymore. Profits from selling hardware? License fees from the few third parties who publish on their hardware? Thing is though, when you buy a third party game on Switch, rather then XBX/PS4, you are getting a sub-par version of the game for the same price. It is obvious that Nintendo is not able to provide enough first party games to keep a dedicated console library interesting (look at Wii U). So why not just do what Sega did and go third party? Hell, the only reason I purchased a Switch at launch was because I was hoping for a new F-Zero game and so far I have been left very disappointed. Did you know it has been 15 years since the last true F-Zero game? Yes they were successful with the 3DS and should have maybe done a dedicated handheld successor. But for consoles, they are always behind Sony/Microsoft and I wonder if they would have more resources to produce more games as a third party without having dedicated console hardware to manage?
Is this even relevant to the discussion about the firmware hack?

From what I understand the hackers did get the keys, but are legally bound to not release it unless they want to get into some serious legal repercussions...
Anyone having any crashing issues? The stick of truth crashed on me today, that was the first time I have seen a switch crash.
I've had a crash issue with Warframe a couple of days ago, but that could be a serverside thing and nothing to do with the firmware.
 

Ninjadom

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Oct 25, 2017
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I know there are a lot Nintendo fans but I honestly wonder why is Nintendo even in the dedicated console market anymore. Profits from selling hardware? License fees from the few third parties who publish on their hardware? Thing is though, when you buy a third party game on Switch, rather then XBX/PS4, you are getting a sub-par version of the game for the same price. It is obvious that Nintendo is not able to provide enough first party games to keep a dedicated console library interesting (look at Wii U). So why not just do what Sega did and go third party? Hell, the only reason I purchased a Switch at launch was because I was hoping for a new F-Zero game and so far I have been left very disappointed. Did you know it has been 15 years since the last true F-Zero game? Yes they were successful with the 3DS and should have maybe done a dedicated handheld successor. But for consoles, they are always behind Sony/Microsoft and I wonder if they would have more resources to produce more games as a third party without having dedicated console hardware to manage?

What are you talking about?

Have you seen Nintendo's financials recently?

Have you seen their unit sales?

Go 3rd party, after 129 years of Business and 40 years of making home gaming systems?

I know this isn't the right thread but you really didn't think your post through very well.
 

Ninjadom

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Oct 25, 2017
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London, UK
Ok, so just to be clear. I know Scires and his group defeated the 6.2 update. Has he now shared this with all other hackers? Or is he still keeping his cards close to his chest like he was last week?
 

Vena

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok, so just to be clear. I know Scires and his group defeated the 6.2 update. Has he now shared this with all other hackers? Or is he still keeping his cards close to his chest like he was last week?

It's public and burned, exploit revealed and shared. They decided to release it and the exploit, it's a big loss but it's also not really applicable to units that aren't also vulnerable to fg.
 

Nathan.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
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The real kicker to all of this is that the TSEC implementation is fine, so Nintendo did that correctly, but the vulnerability to the SMMU was not documented and is in fact counter to what is supposed to happen, so nVidia lied or never tested it and just said something to be true but wasn't. That means Nintendo built a secure boot around a flawed system under false pretense of its security. At some point, something in this relationship is going to give and nVidia's not going to be in a good place
I wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now...
 

bazzi

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Dec 19, 2017
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I know there are a lot Nintendo fans but I honestly wonder why is Nintendo even in the dedicated console market anymore. Profits from selling hardware? License fees from the few third parties who publish on their hardware? Thing is though, when you buy a third party game on Switch, rather then XBX/PS4, you are getting a sub-par version of the game for the same price. It is obvious that Nintendo is not able to provide enough first party games to keep a dedicated console library interesting (look at Wii U). So why not just do what Sega did and go third party? Hell, the only reason I purchased a Switch at launch was because I was hoping for a new F-Zero game and so far I have been left very disappointed. Did you know it has been 15 years since the last true F-Zero game? Yes they were successful with the 3DS and should have maybe done a dedicated handheld successor. But for consoles, they are always behind Sony/Microsoft and I wonder if they would have more resources to produce more games as a third party without having dedicated console hardware to manage?
Are you practicing for some kind of comedic bit
 

Ritoo

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Jun 5, 2018
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So now that exploit was released all other "Homebrew "teams ,let's say the ones more focused on allow backup games on the system aka piracy can "steal " the method and release like their own,and sell pro hardware to pirate games,it's sad that some people on the Homebrew scene,hate Nintendo and the updates to protect their stuff, they just homebrew on the system ,but they move world's to have the latest update hacked ,because they need it to play the latest games...
 
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So give it to me in simple terms: Am I gonna see hackers online again now?

Hacking was never an issue online to begin with

Most hackers who went online probably got banned within a week.

Most people who have hacked Switch don't go online at all. For example I have 2 Switches, 1 hacked for offline stuff, and 1 legit for online.
 

SwitchedOff

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Oct 28, 2017
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So give it to me in simple terms: Am I gonna see hackers online again now?

There will always be a handful, but Nintendo are pretty good at stomping on them so don't let it worry you. Also remember that Nintendo have a zero tolerance policy towards hacked Switches and they use various methods to determine if a Switched has been hacked - once detected such Switches are then banned permanently from using any of Nintendo's online services.
 

fourfourfun

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Oct 27, 2017
7,684
England
No. But I admit I am venting a little because it has been 15 years since the last F-Zero game.
I do think Nintendo would have more resources to put into game development if they followed Sega and went third party though.

No. Being a platform owner offers you stability and absolute freedom to develop as you have more revenue streams outside of the games you make. So those resources you speak of, dry up the second you bin off hardware which is successful hardware. As soon as you go third party, you are basically at the whim of platform holders, plus have the spectre of only being as good as your last game hanging over you. And, honestly, I don't think Sega are the shining example of how wonderful things can go when you leave the platform holder game.
 

SiG

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Oct 25, 2017
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Decarbia

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, that lasted all of a couple weeks. Atmosphere, ReiNX and SX OS are all fixed for 6.2 now.