Lol. If kids can maintain their "innocence" knowing that boys and girls exist, I'm sure they'll be just find knowing there are other genders as well...
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Nintendo took down a Smash stage containing trans flag and suspended the player that posted it because it was considered a "political statement"
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Lol. If kids can maintain their "innocence" knowing that boys and girls exist, I'm sure they'll be just find knowing there are other genders as well...
It was less about the lyrics and more about "oops, worked with them once and suddenly Nintendo's pushing Atlus's transphobia" which I can see someone arguing excuses Nintendo's behavior here more than I'd like. But there was a reason I formatted it as a shitty throwaway comment.
Existing as a person isn't sexual. Also, trans kids exist.
Yeah, you are very much wrong here. I'm on my phone right now otherwise I would write a long post as to why. I'm sure someone else will educate you on this.
Being transgender has nothing to do with sex and kids knowing about them doesn't harm their innocence in the slightest.
Even then, kids knowing about different sexual preferences doesn't destroy their "innocence," and you're incredibly wrong for even implying that's the case. They're bombarded from day one with imagery of straight people in close relationships and most of them turn out fine, showing them that LGB people exist is only 'bad' if you tell them it's bad.
i didnt learn what boys and girls were until i was 25 years old. my parents just told me my testicles were just a horrible physical deformity. i'd expect most parents to raise their kids the same way
I see a few that are what you may consider "overreactions" and posters such as yourself who see differently. Personally, I think it's a bit more iffy since he spoke to someone higher up, but am willing to wait and see what the final result is. There's always going to be those being hyperbolic at times. We've all done it (not saying anyone here is in this case). I just don't see the point in antagonizing people who are a bit angry at this of all things. It probably gets old dealing with kind of bullshit, even it if was just a mistake. From what I saw, no one was calling for a boycott or talking about storming Nintendo HQ, so I don't see the harm personally.
I don't even think most of the people saying "fuck Nintendo" in this thread have even played Smash or Splatoon 2
I'm not gonna jump the gun just yet with this one. OP literally just refers to a single stage (despite the title saying 'stages') and there is a 'trans rights' flag stage with over 4,000 yeahs that has yet to be taken down. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who see the very existence of trans-folk like myself as 'political', so one of them working for Nintendo's moderation team isn't surprising.
If Nintendo themselves (instead of just some customer service rep) agree with the decision or if they start taking down other stages then, yeah, that's fucking garbage but right now this doesn't seem to be too bad.
If Nintendo themselves (instead of just some customer service rep) agree with the decision or if they start taking down other stages then, yeah, that's fucking garbage but right now this doesn't seem to be too bad.
He could have said exactly what he meant. You're inferring a lot of things you reallt shouldnt
Do you think boys and girls don't interact with each other when they're kids? If they do, do they lose their innocence?
Image may not have been taken at the same time as the tweet. The upload and share process isn't anywhere near as streamlined as with Mario Maker, and I can say for sure that it took me a while to figure out where the 'share/tweet' option was, esp. since there's no quick link to a creator page.
I don't disagree, but I imagine that is the stance Nintendo is taking
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I'm talking about the last image in the original post. Someone has searched for "trans", and it appears in the list. Can you still view stages that have been removed?
Hello yes kids can be LGBT too (what with being queer not just spontaneously coming upon one when they're past puberty) and them knowing about it is better than letting them live in self-denial, and non-queer kids are likelier to be open-minded toward queer ones if they are similarly introduced to the concepts without negative connotations.
If a kid notices an LGBT post getting removed for being inappropriate they'll internalize queerness as being something wrong and something to be censored, which is obviously harmful.
At the moment it seems to have only affected one stage, there's still several out there like this. Probably just a case of trolls mass reporting them.
Quoted for new page.
I don't think Nintendo has taken a stance on this. Do some of y'all not know how moderation teams work?
They get a set of guidelines for what was allowed/not allowed, they get tickets assigned to them as flags come in, they assess whether the flag is valid and ignore it or act.
Unless you think Nintendo literally prohibits content that mentions trans people only in Smash Bros (yet allows it in Splatoon 2), this doesn't reflect the "stance" of anyone, but the moderator
Can't say with 100% certainty if it's the same stage or not since it might be an identical stage uploaded by someone else. There are a couple other very similar-looking stage.
Wasn't aware it was ok with Splatoon before I made my post
Pretty much.
People jumping on "lol Nintendo" while ignoring Splatoon 2 or even the other stages still there in Smash, seem to not even play Nintendo games but jump into any thread about them.
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Case in point
Ninty what are you doinggggg
I want to believe that this was just a mistake
At the moment it seems to have only affected one stage, there's still several out there like this. Probably just a case of trolls mass reporting them.
This is a case of Era overreacting and shiting on something after a research on the subject as deep as a Kotaku article.
Some opinions here are embarrassing.
Some opinions here are embarrassing.
This basically sums up my thoughts perfectly. If Nintendo sides with this decision or if the stage removals become widespread, then we should jump down their throats. But for right now, this seems to be an isolated incident by a mod who made a bad call. I'm not condoning the stage's removal at all, but rather that similar removals don't seem to be prevalent going by vestal & Imran's posts.
Either way, this stage removal should not be repeated with the others.
Wonder how much sleep the moderation team is getting. Must be a nightmare there right now.
Well, either way it's not bad to kick up some noise about this sort of thing. They may not make some larger statement, but they're more likely to reverse an individual case at least.
Well, either way it's not bad to kick up some noise about this sort of thing. They may not make some larger statement, but they're more likely to reverse an individual case at least.
LGBT+ kids/teens exist, and it's an incredibly crucial time frame for young people to find support. Kids that don't necessarily fall into the regular cishet majority, or follow established gender tropes (e.g. boys liking to play with Barbie dolls), they are very likely going to get bullied and generally have to fear repercussions, even in the case that they have supportive parents, which still isn't the case very often.
That's why representation is so, so important. If these young people know they're not alone, that they are loved by someone, even if that someone is a stranger on the internet posting a picture or stage in Smash Bros., then that might just be exactly the encouragement and emotional support they need.
Thanks!
Yeah, I think a lot of people just don't realise how de-centralised a lot of moderation/customer service efforts for massive companies like Nintendo usually are. This is 'Nintendo's Moderation Team' but it's very likely not directly controlled by Nintendo themselves beyond what wide-reaching rules the team have to abide by. "No politics," is a rule that has 100% been chosen by Nintendo themselves, but this specific case of moderation is probably not Nintendo's decision. The customer service stuff is gonna be similar, especially since Nintendo has most likely outsourced their CS to some form of contractor (they might have done that with the moderation team as well).
We've yet to have any confirmation that this is more than just a single transphobic moderator so you're definitely jumping the gun here.
