Pretty sure all of those ISPs have already been forced to block access to sites e.g. torrents. Add them to the list I guess. Our government is so IT illiterate that these blocks always have about 500 workarounds.
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Nintendo wins UK high court case to block piracy websites.
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A lot of this discussion is weird and irrelevant here. This is about a hardware dongle that allows you to hack a switch for piracy. There's a software-based solution that's just for homebrew.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/09/nintendo-gets-uk-isps-to-block-switch-piracy-sites/
And I hope all y'all "preservation is just an excuse for piracy" folks get to play Mother 3 one day, because it's pretty good.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/09/nintendo-gets-uk-isps-to-block-switch-piracy-sites/
And I hope all y'all "preservation is just an excuse for piracy" folks get to play Mother 3 one day, because it's pretty good.
Imagine someone using this money and power to block actual harmful sites from the public access instead of wasting it on this banal trash that will amount to next-to-nothing in the end.
I don't think it's that simple. People started buying DOS/Windows PCs instead (which also had rampant piracy).
Remember when the high court ordered the first blocking of piracy sites and gave everyone who clicked on any blocked site a list of every popular piracy site.
I don't get why some users here are claiming that Nintendo shouldn't do this because they would never win the war against piracy. This move is about accesability, the harder they make it for regular users to check out how to pirate software, the better for Nintendo. And they also help cut down on the profits piracy sites get from curious people who used to access the website, hitting them where it hurts.
VPN's? That takes extra steps to use, most users will get bored or frustrated by that point and would rather just keep playing fortnite for free or the games they already have. True, people who are adamant about hacking they will hack it, but usually this people have TWO or more device, one for hacking and one for regular use. Nintendo is after the regular users who might be tempted by free games but who probably won't put the time and effort to access a site to pirate the games if that site is blocked.
VPN's? That takes extra steps to use, most users will get bored or frustrated by that point and would rather just keep playing fortnite for free or the games they already have. True, people who are adamant about hacking they will hack it, but usually this people have TWO or more device, one for hacking and one for regular use. Nintendo is after the regular users who might be tempted by free games but who probably won't put the time and effort to access a site to pirate the games if that site is blocked.
Good for nintendo. Hope this reduce or make harder the unlawful exploitation of their property.
Won't work for anyone with basic networking knowledge / google-ling skills. It's always blocked through ISP's DNS, so configuring your DNS to a public one solves the problem for like eternity and only takes a few seconds to configure. People who are interested in looking up online to learn piracy easily fall under these 2 categories.
I think it's more about the government dictating what sites can and can't be visited at the direction of corporations. Also to be consistent, they'd basically have to block Reddit. And some of us do like having backups of games we bought.
This isn't trying to stop that though. You can rip the games and legit homebrew allows you to do that.
Nintendo is asking for the sites to be blocked because they are doing something illegal. Would you be ok with the goverment asking ISP's to block access to sites with guides on how to avoid taxes, sites where you can buy drugs, or access child pornography? They sound like extreme examples, but this are all sites that are better off blocked until they can be dealt with by the proper authorities.
I don't look for it, it's just what I see on the front page here. I 'faintly' remember this topic, or some similar topic devolving into people using android to pirate games.
Guides for tax avoidance and buying drugs can be found with Google in 30 seconds or less lol.
"Legit homebrew" out there would include custom video players, a mod that lets you use it as a game streaming device with your PC, an app for detecting and fixing stuck/dead pixels, some hacks for online play, and there's a few cool game engines, for example.
the thought is if the government is doing the asking then they can say they are representing the people/voters... corporations on the other hand.
SX OS has been specifically designed with piracy in mind, and they charge money for that feature. Team Xecuter are well known for being shady. The fact that their forums has areas dedicated to NSP and XCI files says it all.
Edit: Just to add a little more context, this is one of the seller websites product descriptions of SX OS Pro:
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It's the courts role to enforce the law.
These devices and websites enable people to violate copyright law.
A company has gone to the courts arguing that these devices and websites enable copyright violation, and that the law allows for them to compel ISPs to block said sites.
Court agrees, presumably based on precedents established with torrent sites, that ISPs need to act the same way they do with these sites which is to block the IP address and probably put up a standard notice saying that access has been blocked.
My question: is this ruling an extension of the law as it stands, or was there a previous judgement in a similar case?
That's fine, I never expected them to come to my birthday party. I stand by my belief that piracy sucks.
I specifically talked about healthy ecosystem: it's all about that IMHO.
It's clear to me that PCs (which by the way weren't actually a thing in the gaming market here in Europe until the early '90s - Amiga was virtually non existent in the States) were able to build a market big enough to justify publishers efforts.
The Amiga, on the other hand, didn't.
And it's easy to see this in its last years, where publishers had already completed their shift to PC and console markets (and spoke publicly about certain issues, heck we didn't even pay for excellent shareware stuff like Powerpacker that we were able to try before buying!) and the Amiga started missing many multiplatform releases because it basically wasn't worth the effort despite it being relatively closer, technically speaking, to the latter.
Shame that the arstechnica article wasn't up in time to be used for the op, the thread would have gone very differently. SX OS is very explicitly for piracy purposes and is consistently marketed that way. While UK law is fucked up with regard to isps, it's a pretty clear cut case and unsurprising that Nintendo would be granted it by the court
Was the court order not available when Eurogamer wrote their article? Cause that was a bit of important info that should have been in that article.
Because "legal homebrew" is an absolute fig leaf trying to obscure and hide what it truly means for a system to be hacked:
Rampant piracy, dwindling sales for smaller and riskier localisation projects and hacked online play. They always go hand in hand.
Yeah, great for the dozen of ERA posters who use homebrew to play their legal roms or legal applications, yes piracy and homebrew are not the same and so on and on.
But don't fault people for seeing the direct connection between opening up a system completely and the unpleasant side effects " legal homebrewers" like to ignore.
I'd be more than willing to sacrifice your ability to play your legal Terranigma ROM on Switch if it means the platform is still healthy by year 5 and onwards. Many people would do the exact same trade: Overall platform health and potential for longevity trumps being able to put some obscure JRPG or app on the system.
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I get and understand wanting to block (or take down) piracy sites. Makes sense, they are distributing your IP unlawfully so go for it and try and get them taken down.
But man, I hate when companies get all petty about homebrew/hacking/modding and that junk. I should be allowed, if I'm willing to forgo warranty and the like, to do whatever I want with the stuff I buy. If I want to rip my games I should be able to, if I want to hack my 3DS or Switch and then pop Retroarch on it and copy my ripped library over with all my GB/GBA, N64 and MegaDrive games I should be able to. The whole thing about "providing information on how to mod (for piracy) is bullshit becuase ANY kind of mod of a device nowadays always leads to piracy even if not intended by the original hacker/jailbreaker and that stuff could be used to point to any kind of modding and say "see, that will mean piracy, ban it.".
But man, I hate when companies get all petty about homebrew/hacking/modding and that junk. I should be allowed, if I'm willing to forgo warranty and the like, to do whatever I want with the stuff I buy. If I want to rip my games I should be able to, if I want to hack my 3DS or Switch and then pop Retroarch on it and copy my ripped library over with all my GB/GBA, N64 and MegaDrive games I should be able to. The whole thing about "providing information on how to mod (for piracy) is bullshit becuase ANY kind of mod of a device nowadays always leads to piracy even if not intended by the original hacker/jailbreaker and that stuff could be used to point to any kind of modding and say "see, that will mean piracy, ban it.".
These sites specifically advertised the ability to pirate and download roms that the user didn't themselves capture. That's why Nintendo was able to win. Nintendo wouldn't care about homebrew/hacking/modding if it didn't also enable piracy.
In the future, if I'm thinking about buying a new console, I'll remember this post and say "...nah"
Piracy of games that are actively being sold and easily available has nothing to do with preservation
A negative for preservation because of the loss of the sale of a dongle that is specifically used to pirate games?
Oh, great!
I was worried they'd block GBATemp or some shit
Luckily for Nintendo the Switch can no longer be softmodded (I don't think hardmods even exist?) since the Mariko units launched in 2018 and even the softmods on old units require workarounds.
Security was such a joke in the NDS days lol
yup, sounds fair to me.
The SX OS literally has no legit use other than
a) making piracy effortless and accessible
b) earning creators & resellers of SX OS products money
Not a big fan of Nintendo Corp. but they are well within their rights to go after the resellers of SX OS hardware.
Well luckily for you, homebrewers can play their legally owned obscure ROMs on their Switch, and the Switch is a healthy platform that is likely to still be relevant for years to come, so no sacrifice is required
This high count case is unlikely to have an impact on either of those things
Nintendo posted 36.87 Million Switch consoles shipped through Q1 this FY, last year they posted 3.19M for Q2, while up yoy this year, they should be able to hit close to 40 Million of the original Switch units, not including the new models. Gamecube sold 21.74 Million units iirc, so that is where my around twice as many comes from, it's not exact, but it was only a rough number to illustrate a point.
Gamecube was used because of the used scene around the Gamecube, it's easy to find and pick up, though to be honest, that community never has to worry about that, since the Wii can play gamecube games are there are something like 90 Million of those with the Gamecube part built in, as well as hacked Wii Us that can play gamecube games via flash. Not to mention that dolphin is the most stable emulators for those 2 generations that it covered.
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Nintendo should honestly focus on making their games readily available and convenient. Stuff like Apple Music and Netflix has changed the way people access content all over the world.