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I'm not pirating any Nintendo games. I just think a proper online platform where they can distribute their old games would discourage people from pirating. It's the same logic with streaming services. Why would I pirate when I can just watch movies legally on an affordable platform like Netflix? When Nintendo makes boneheaded decisions like not having a VC on the Switch, they are only encouraging piracy.
i wasn't referring specifically to you, but that's an argument i've heard many times. that if nintendo wants people to stop pirating their games they should offer everything and until then they do they shouldn't go after rom sites

I get that knowing there are people legally playing their GameCube games on Switch must suck when no one expects Nintendo to get around to selling GCN games on Switch for years, if ever
huh? what does that have to do with what i said?
 

Cup O' Tea?

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i wasn't referring specifically to you, but that's an argument i've heard many times. that if nintendo wants people to stop pirating their games they should offer everything and until then they do they shouldn't go after rom sites


huh? what does that have to do with what i said?
I didn't say they shouldn't go after rom sites. Don't put words in my mouth.
 

giapel

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To all of you that outrage, the Internet has become a lawless wasteland, from bullying to racism, terrorism, trafficking and whatever else. Yes piracy isn't nearly as bad as any of that but we have to acknowledge the fact that faceless illegal acts can't forever go unchecked in the name of internet freedom.
And I'm sorry, but the big tech companies and ISP's have a terrible track record about doing anything positive in that respect, so yes governments have to intervene and force their hands with laws.
It's a new age, we need new laws.
 

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Era is weird when becoming these kinds of topic
It's like everyone said Homebrew ≠ Piracy. okay, understandable
But when some company takedown Piracy website, It will suddenly = Homebrew crisis.
 

oni-link

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huh? what does that have to do with what i said?

I'm assuming jealousy is a lot of the reason people are mad at legal homebrew, as I can't think of why else people would be so happy to throw legal homebrew under the bus

There are people with a legal VC treasure trove on their Switch systems, all from games they have legally purchased over the years

Nintendo won't ever rival that
 

Hu3

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To all of you that outrage, the Internet has become a lawless wasteland, from bullying to racism, terrorism, trafficking and whatever else. Yes piracy isn't nearly as bad as any of that but we have to acknowledge the fact that faceless illegal acts can't forever go unchecked in the name of internet freedom.
And I'm sorry, but the big tech companies and ISP's have a terrible track record about doing anything positive in that respect, so yes governments have to intervene and force their hands with laws.
It's a new age, we need new laws.


Wow like for real ?, you are comparing games to terrorism ?, like my dude...
 

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Usually they hide behind words like 'preservation' as some kind of twisted moral high ground but they don't have that flimsy excuse here.
I don't see people using preservation as an excuse for pirating current stuff, though. It's used more for old games with little or no chance of official re-release.
 

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I'm assuming jealousy is a lot of the reason people are mad at legal homebrew, as I can't think of why else people would be so happy to throw legal homebrew under the bus
...oh wow, jealousy?
anyone who wants to play their legally obtained roms on the system has the option to hack it and do so, i don't see why there's anything to be jealous of.
that's quite ridiculous actually.
 

Nairume

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I don't see people using preservation as an excuse for pirating current stuff, though. It's used more for old games with little or no chance of official re-release.
People absolutely used the preservation argument when a certain popular rom site got iced even though their own records showed it largely being used for people downloading popular games that were still being sold.
 

oni-link

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...oh wow, jealousy?
anyone who wants to play their legally obtained roms on the system has the option to hack it and do so, i don't see why there's anything to be jealous of.
that's quite ridiculous actually.

Yeah I agree, but then I'm left scratching my head as to why people dislike legal homebrew so much

There must be a reason, and I can't think of a better one than that
 

Plum

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I'm assuming jealousy is a lot of the reason people are mad at legal homebrew, as I can't think of why else people would be so happy to throw legal homebrew under the bus

There are people with a legal VC treasure trove on their Switch systems, all from games they have legally purchased over the years

Nintendo won't ever rival that

How can you get that legal VC treasure trove?

Honest question, because whilst I've seen plenty of tutorials for homebrew, emulators, etc I've rarely seen any tutorials for how one can take a legally-acquired Gameboy Cartridge (for example) and turn that into a ROM to use on an emulator. It's always just "here's a bunch of ROMs I have, and here's how to play them on x" Would you have to buy like 10+ different devices for all the game consoles that don't use formats that can easily be read by modern-day BD/DVD drives?
 

Hercule

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Usually they hide behind words like 'preservation' as some kind of twisted moral high ground but they don't have that flimsy excuse here.
I don't like this sentiment. If it weren't for roms 16bit Jrpgs wouldn't have been as popular as they are today. Especially in Europe. If Roms hadn't existed a game like Chrono Trigger definitely wouldn't have been as successful as it is today.

One major reason people are hyped for Trails of mana is the snes rom. Square definitely knows that and is using it to their advantage
 

Komo

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I wonder how many SNES NSO games are gonna be marked with scene group tags.
 

giapel

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Wow like for real ?, you are comparing games to terrorism ?, like my dude...
It's like right there. "Not really as bad."Not in the same planet. Not comparable. Whatever. I get your point. My point though is that the Internet is not controlled at all. It was cool for a while when everyone involved was playing nice. It's just not anymore and we need to draw some lines. Don't focus on a exagerated example to disprove my point
 

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How can you get that legal VC treasure trove?

Honest question, because whilst I've seen plenty of tutorials for homebrew, emulators, etc I've rarely seen any tutorials for how one can take a legally-acquired Gameboy Cartridge (for example) and turn that into a ROM to use on an emulator. It's always just "here's a bunch of ROMs I have, and here's how to play them on x" Would you have to buy like 10+ different devices for all the game consoles that don't use formats that can easily be read by modern-day BD/DVD drives?

Google it, it's not rocket science

How do you think ROMs get from carts and onto the internet in the first place?
 

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you're making things up. i don't see anyone saying they dislike "legal homebrew", just people saying they dislike piracy and are cool with nintendo going after it.

How have you not seen any posts on Era where people say "most people use homebrew to pirate"

How is that anything but being happy to throw legal homebrew under the bus?
 

SprachBrooks

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I'd love to see a citation on the idea that the existence of piracy impact sales. I've never seen any evidence to that effect.

It's been thoroughly debunked. No one takes that argument seriously — yet the courts, the grounds in which robust arguments are meant to fester, seem to eat that shit up. I don't play Nintendo games; I will not be more inclined to play them because I can't pirate them.
 

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you're making things up. i don't see anyone saying they dislike "legal homebrew", just people saying they dislike piracy and are cool with nintendo going after it.
We had people in this very thread claim "legitimate homebrew" is not a thing. It's all piracy.

I don't get how you can make this argument.
 

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I don't like this sentiment. If it weren't for roms 16bit Jrpgs wouldn't have been as popular as they are today. Especially in Europe. If Roms hadn't existed a game like Chrono Trigger definitely wouldn't have been as successful as it is today.

One major reason people are hyped for Trails of mana is the snes rom. Square definitely knows that and is using it to their advantage
JRPGs became popular independent of emulation. Chrono Trigger is especially a really bad example here, given it really was never all that unavailable legitimately for particularly long periods of time.
 

Meatwad

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Well even though this was a while ago, I'm still expecting it to happen again.

The answer is no Nintendo did not download their own roms to resell them

www.resetera.com

Tomohiro Kawase might've been hired by Nintendo to put ROM headers into VC [Updated Dec. 1, 2018]

Update (December 1, 2018): ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Update (October 12, 2018): and Follow-up 3: https://www.resetera.com/posts/13741800/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------...

 

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JRPGs became popular independent of emulation. Chrono Trigger is especially a really bad example here, given it really was never all that unavailable legitimately for particularly long periods of time.
If you live in America.

Piracy is the way 90% of EU players enjoyed that game for the first time, before the DS rerelease.

Reversing the game situation, it's also the reason why American game forums have a lot of people who can discuss games like Terranigma.
 

D.Lo

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I don't like this sentiment. If it weren't for roms 16bit Jrpgs wouldn't have been as popular as they are today. Especially in Europe. If Roms hadn't existed a game like Chrono Trigger definitely wouldn't have been as successful as it is today.

One major reason people are hyped for Trails of mana is the snes rom. Square definitely knows that and is using it to their advantage
So... you're now justifying piracy as 'good for the IP' rather than on preservation grounds?

Do you have any evidence at all to prove 'Chrono Trigger definitely wouldn't have been as successful as it is today' unless lots of people had pirated it? Seems kind of counter intuitive to claim people stealing a game made it 'more successful'?
 

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lol, good to see this is the level of argument that people like you can have.
i'm out, i hope this continues and more piracy websites get blocked and shut down.

Feels very shilly in here. Better put on my shill protective clothing.
 
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So... you're now justifying piracy as 'good for the IP' rather than on preservation grounds?

Do you have any evidence at all to prove 'Chrono Trigger definitely wouldn't have been as successful as it is today' unless lots of people had pirated it? Seems kind of counter intuitive to claim people stealing a game made it 'more successful'?

How could it be so popular in Europe prior to the DS release? Not many people would have imported it back on release, so its either piracy or ??? that popularised it.
 

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Nintendo is not the law and they are breaking the law themselves with that I brought a product and I can do what ever I want with it. Tear it to pieces wipe my ass with it.

Those things don't specifically effect the software they make and try to sell. There's a difference between buying something and doing what you want with it and breaking the law with it. Distinctions need to be made here.
 

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The UK really needs better speech protections.

Thankfully I don't think this dystopian nonsense would fly in the US.
 

dodo

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So... you're now justifying piracy as 'good for the IP' rather than on preservation grounds?

Do you have any evidence at all to prove 'Chrono Trigger definitely wouldn't have been as successful as it is today' unless lots of people had pirated it? Seems kind of counter intuitive to claim people stealing a game made it 'more successful'?

well for starters, nobody in europe would have even gotten a chance to play it until over a decade after it's release
 

oni-link

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So... you're now justifying piracy as 'good for the IP' rather than on preservation grounds?

Do you have any evidence at all to prove 'Chrono Trigger definitely wouldn't have been as successful as it is today' unless lots of people had pirated it? Seems kind of counter intuitive to claim people stealing a game made it 'more successful'?

You don't have to justify piracy to comment that it may have helped some games or series' or genres get more popular or more buzz around them

You might as well dismiss word of mouth as a concept with that opinion

Piracy is wrong and can't be endorsed, but that doesn't mean Chrono Trigger or SD3 gained nothing from being pirated by so many people before they were available to buy legally
 

TimeFire

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I'd love to see a citation on the idea that the existence of piracy impact sales. I've never seen any evidence to that effect.

I've made a post about it but tldr it doesnt have any effect either positive or negative

Check it out: (click on it to read it with quotes)

Studies on the area are lacking, but we do have a 300k Euro Study mandated by the European Union about it. Most interesting finding on the matter is that the study couldn't actually find correlation between increased piracy and sales, either positive or negative.



Other interesting finding is that piracy is also not dictated by price, at least for music and games.* As follows:



So, while we can't say that piracy is entirely a distribution problem, it seems like a logical conclusion that it plays a big part in it. But we can't also reliably say that as a study is needed about it.



*in europe

edit: i'm a dumbdumb and forgot the source: https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf
 

LinkStrikesBack

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Well even though this was a while ago, I'm still expecting it to happen again.



Pretty sure this turned out to be bollocks and not what happened at all.

www.resetera.com

Tomohiro Kawase might've been hired by Nintendo to put ROM headers into VC [Updated Dec. 1, 2018]

Update (December 1, 2018): ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Update (October 12, 2018): and Follow-up 3: https://www.resetera.com/posts/13741800/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------...
Edit: way too late on my part.