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NIS America announces Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk for Switch/PS4/Steam, out Fall 2018

Oct 26, 2017
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Sounds emotional. Do you own other hardware?
the portable form factor is a huge factor, and many people aren’t ready to suddenly drop the cash on a switch for any arbitrary reason. plus there’s the consideration of people who move around a lot without much time for games at home. it’s a more make-or-break deal than you think.

i personally might have passed if not for the pc version that will enable classic keyboard controls; i have that choice of a different platform. on the other hand, the vita was already on its last legs a long time ago.
 

petran79

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Oct 27, 2017
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Regarding the edits of suggestive content about minor sexualization:

Will this apply to all games regardless of age rating or just those rated 15+?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Regarding the edits of suggestive content about minor sexualization:

Will this apply to all games regardless of age rating or just those rated 15+?
You surely mean the sexualization of minors, right? Because there's a big difference between that and "minor sexualization." And in this case it is clearly the former. I applaud mods who keep that filth off these forums. I'm sure there are many alternative venues people can visit to oggle at scantily clad anime children.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I've moved on from the Vita myself but it sucks that some people have had to go from wishing for this game when it was a Vita-exclusive in 2016 to seeing the potential localization delayed beyond a point where NISA saw the Vita as even viable for a digital release. One of the reasons for this delay being porting this former exclusive to other platforms. That's cold. Maybe a reasonable business decision but still cold.

Kind of sick of dungeon crawlers myself so I doubt I'll get it. Heard it's good so fans of the genre should keep an eye on it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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People used to post the EO4 dancer over and over again and talk about how they'll never play the game because of it. This is despite that character design being easily avoidable and everything else in the game being great.

Posts here make this game seem like a vaguely similar situation. If that's how it is I'll happily give it a go.
I don't care that I don't have to look at the sexy little girl. She shouldn't exist at all in the first place.
I don't have to look at, say, /pol/ or /r/t_d either, but their existence is a huge fucking problem.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The Netherlands
Such a shame they're skipping the Vita version, as the Vita fanbase was clearly the most vocal about it. I guess a digital-only release is better than nothing. Personally, I've already switched and will buy it on that other portable machine. I think by the time this game comes out (Fall), a lot of other Japanese companies will have included Switch as a platform for their new games as well and maybe even have completely abondoned Vita. It's a shame, but the Vita can't live forever. It's out for over 6 years. It only makes sense support is slowing down and newer platforms arise. Sony clearly doesn't care about handhelds anymore and I'm glad these niche kind of Japanese games can actually live on on the Switch.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Two years, to be told I need to get it on other hardware. Kinda a bummer.

Guess I'll pick it up in a couple of years then! Still nice to see it coming west at all I guess.
 

petran79

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You surely mean the sexualization of minors, right? Because there's a big difference between that and "minor sexualization." And in this case it is clearly the former. I applaud mods who keep that filth off these forums. I'm sure there are many alternative venues people can visit to oggle at scantily clad anime children.
I remember a discussion about Ys 8 in the women criticise thread and there were pics of sexualised minors, something that really turned me off from buying the game.
So I wonder if there will be exceptions when it comes to context
 
Nov 20, 2017
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Ill get this if I get a Switch in the future, the only Drpgs that I played and liked were Chocobo/Shiren/Pokemon.
This looks pretty nice as well.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I am not even interested in the game because of the character designs but fuck NISA. So the ones that wanted the game to come to the west, waited even when the game was delayed, got fucked over like this. What a mess.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Are the preorder links going to be removed too since the Tarot card image also showcases the questionable design?

Ill get this if I get a Switch in the future, the only Drpgs that I played and liked were Chocobo/Shiren/Pokemon.
This looks pretty nice as well.
The Pokémon/Chocobo/Shiren games are rougelikes. DRPGs are different.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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User Warned: Do not condone, defend or otherwise excuse the sexualisation of children. This extends to works of fiction.
You surely mean the sexualization of minors, right? Because there's a big difference between that and "minor sexualization." And in this case it is clearly the former. I applaud mods who keep that filth off these forums. I'm sure there are many alternative venues people can visit to oggle at scantily clad anime children.
Uh, they aren't children, they are puppets. They aren't really actually alive.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Finally, too bad i won't own a switch for a long time (waiting for a switch exclusive EO or Metroid Prime 4 to not suck) and the Vita version was skipped so PC it is.
Glad the game is finally coming.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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How much will it be?

I've got to imagine that the drop off in Vita support from Koei Tecmo and NIS has something to do with the fact that they can't charge more than $40 for a Vita game.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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How much will it be?

I've got to imagine that the drop off in Vita support from Koei Tecmo and NIS has something to do with the fact that they can't charge more than $40 for a Vita game.
it's the overhead. honestly, longest five minutes, lost child, and penny-punching princess shouldn't have been vita either at this rate. the market for vita games is so small that it doesn't justify the overhead for the people who do the english text and voice acting, nor does it for the people who spend their overhead on the programming (usually the licensors/ip holders).

the vita market kinda/sorta dropped out at the end of 2017 after holding on for a decent part of the year. the system's six years old and sold half as well as the wii u in the west. that it didn't completely die after dancing all night is kind of remarkable.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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it's the overhead. honestly, longest five minutes, lost child, and penny-punching princess shouldn't have been vita either at this rate. the market for vita games is so small that it doesn't justify the overhead for the people who do the english text and voice acting, nor does it for the people who spend their overhead on the programming (usually the licensors/ip holders).

the vita market kinda/sorta dropped out at the end of 2017 after holding on for a decent part of the year. the system's six years old and sold half as well as the wii u in the west. that it didn't completely die after dancing all night is kind of remarkable.
That bad huh?

I was thinking more in terms of that Vita was the "portable option" but now Switch can capture that market and not only sell more units, but do so at a higher price. It would make sense to cut down on Vita releases in order to encourage those people to either upgrade to Switch or PS4.

We have already seen in the last few years many publishers in Japan transitioning their audience to PS4 to varying degrees of success.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That bad huh?

I was thinking more in terms of that Vita was the "portable option" but now Switch can capture that market and not only sell more units, but do so at a higher price. It would make sense to cut down on Vita releases in order to encourage those people to either upgrade to Switch or PS4.

We have already seen in the last few years many publishers in Japan transitioning their audience to PS4 to varying degrees of success.
well there's also that. it's more that the presence of the switch diminishes the need for a ps vita version on the market.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Huh!? I need to look at gameplay videos then! I thought Drpgs and Rougelikes are one of the same, I stand corrected.
DRPG is a FP dungeon crawler, you try to reach the end of the game with (usually) a party of characters. If you wipe you reload. The dungeons are generally hand crafted and don't change play through from play through.
In a roguelike you will try and fail to reach the end of the dungeon over and over, when you die you make a new character to try again. New characters created often can get bonuses from your previous attempts in some way (new skill/equip unlocks, etc.) The dungeons are randomly generated.

I mean, it's not 100%, but that's generally how it works.
 
Nov 20, 2017
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Checking game play videos, this is not what I thought of when reading the replies and watching the trailer. I thought it was a Mystery Dungeon game haha!

I don't like Drpgs, specially the zero story approached ones like Etrain. But this HAS a story, which is a big step up. So I'll check it out still.

DRPG is a FP dungeon crawler, you try to reach the end of the game with (usually) a party of characters. If you wipe you reload. The dungeons are generally hand crafted and don't change play through from play through.
In a roguelike you will try and fail to reach the end of the dungeon over and over, when you die you make a new character to try again. New characters created often can get bonuses from your previous attempts in some way (new skill/equip unlocks, etc.) The dungeons are randomly generated.

I mean, it's not 100%, but that's generally how it works.
Oh! I am familiar with rouge likes, I like the genre! But this first person dungeon crawlers didn't appeal to me in the past. I wonder if they will put a demo up.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Two years, to be told I need to get it on other hardware. Kinda a bummer.

Guess I'll pick it up in a couple of years then! Still nice to see it coming west at all I guess.

Well at least you can get it on the Vita's third party support successor.


I'm joking Kressy, dont get mad lol
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Is it possible to play through the game and not encounter the problematic character being discussed here?
I think you have to collect resources and use them to create party members, and you are free to never create classes that you don't want. Also i think i saw pictures that said that classes can be both genders with different designs.
 
Jan 11, 2018
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I think you have to collect resources and use them to create party members, and you are free to never create classes that you don't want. Also i think i saw pictures that said that classes can be both genders with different designs.
Oh good maybe I will pick this up then. I found out with a random Vita game a while ago that I really like Japanese DRPG's. Ended up selling it back to Gamestop though after encountering similar problematic characters and never finished it.
 
Jan 27, 2018
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Regarding people complaining for the lack of a Vita English translation, they should instead blame Sony, for discontinuing the Vita in western countries. I don't know what's the situation in the rest of the world, but in Spain, since 2016, it's impossible to buy a new Vita. It hasn't been in stock in any major online retailer in the last two years. The only option is to pay some scalper in Amazon, to buy a second hand console or to import one from Amazon Japan that by the way, it will include a different power adaptor. And the situation with the memory cards is even worse.

Why should NIS America support a system that not even Sony is supporting in these countries?
 
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Dec 21, 2017
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I watched some gameplay video on youtube and i liked it a lot but now i'm reading here about the sexualisation of children: is this game too embarassing to play in public? Since i'd like a fp dungeon crawler to play it on my switch in handheld mode.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I watched some gameplay video on youtube and i liked it a lot but now i'm reading here about the sexualisation of children: is this game too embarassing to play in public? Since i'd like a fp dungeon crawler to play it on my switch in handheld mode.
All the buzz is about shot 0:35 in the trailer of the game, which can be found at NISA's YouTube channel. I have no idea how frequent those characters will be on screen or whether all of those 'puppets' are dressed (cough) like that. To be honest, while I would never promote it, I think the commotion is very overdone.
 
Dec 21, 2017
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All the buzz is about shot 0:35 in the trailer of the game, which can be found at NISA's YouTube channel. I have no idea how frequent those characters will be on screen or whether all of those 'puppets' are dressed (cough) like that. To be honest, while I would never promote it, I think the commotion is very overdone.
oh i see, i think you can maybe choose not to use these two characters. Fortunately it's not as bad as i thought
 

Mist

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Oct 25, 2017
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This post wasn't defending sexualization of children at all.
Excusing the sexualisation of minors because it's a work of fiction is not permitted on this forum. Meanwhile, if you have an issue with moderation, please contact a member of staff. This thread is not the place for that.
 
Jan 11, 2018
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To anyone who want to prep-planned there team deposition designs, the japanese website already shows all the character classes.
So basically roll exclusively male classes with the exception of the Mage looking one. Looks like I might have to pass on this after all.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I'm no prude but some of those designs are a bit too much for me.

I'm not particularly into DRPGs anyway, although I did like 7th Dragon III.