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http://thehill.com/policy/international/386408-north-korea-us-pressure-not-behind-denuclearization

So NK says Trump and the US are not responsible for denuclearization talks. If folks took the word of SK for crediting Trump then you should also take the word of NK to accept Trump doesn't deserve credit.

The country’s state news agency said the U.S. was “misleading public opinion” by claiming that the commitment to denuclearize was caused by American sanctions and other actions, according to Reuters.

“This act cannot be construed otherwise than a dangerous attempt to ruin the hardly-won atmosphere of dialogue and bring the situation back to square one,” a foreign ministry spokesman said, state media reported.

The spokesman also reportedly warned the US to not “deliberately provoke” North Korea by raising human rights issues in the country.
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Banana Aeon

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Praising Trump was literally always the worst strategy. He's a fucking idiot who will ruin anything he touches. Trying to get on his good side does nothing for you.
 
Sordid Plebeian

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Well, this was nice while it lasted. There’s no way Trump will take this statement well regardless of it’s accuracy.
 
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The spokesman also reportedly warned the US to not “deliberately provoke” North Korea by raising human rights issues in the country.
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Welp. Back to normal then. Ah well, I had hoped this would be one of the main issues resolved. Still have some hope that SK/NK will at least get started on a deal, that could further lead to less hostility from NK. Human rights violations are fine if Israel does them, Or Saudi Arabia, Or -- America. Thats a pill I unfortunately have to swallow. There are hypocritical positions of diplomacy, seems like a feature and not a bug of global politics.

What are the options?
 
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What if this is the long game? Kim gets to blame Trump for ruining a possibility of peace and gets to restart his program again. lol
 
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Maxim726x said:
Seriously.

Suddenly we're taking NK public relations as gospel. Funny... No one here ever did that before.
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Fact of the matter is we shouldn't be taking SK's PR as gospel either but many have and credited Trump for shit he doesn't deserve credit for. Want to take SK's word for what NK has done, you should also take NK's word on the same topic. Or perhaps we shouldn't listen to either side and let just one individual or nation make claims that we accept as gospel..
 
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Real Hero said:
so this is means it actually is
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Sure, but Trump is a 1 year old toddler and will likely go full trump over this because he is a petty shallow baby. So effectively, true or not, this will be responded. I'll be shocked if he doesn't get to his blackberry.

Effectively, it has the potential to do damage.
 
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The spokesman also reportedly warned the US to not “deliberately provoke” North Korea by raising human rights issues in the country.
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What do all the people cautioning against throwing the baby out with the bathwater by piggy-backing concerns about human rights with de-nuclearization think now?

lmao, fuck DPRK.
 
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LinktothePastGOAT said:
Fact of the matter is we shouldn't be taking SK's PR as gospel either but many have and credited Trump for shit he doesn't deserve credit for. Want to take SK's word for what NK has done, you should also take NK's word on the same topic. Or perhaps we shouldn't listen to either side and let just one individual or nation make claims that we accept as gospel..
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We'll learn what's accurate and what isn't once the dust settles, regardless of what direction this process will take.

I am open to the possibility that the US had a major role to play, many here apparently are not.
 
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That's hilarious. I hate North Korea, but them outright saying it's not Trump's fault is just going to make him angry, and we all know what happens when someone tells Trump he doesn't deserve credit for something he thinks he deserves credit for.
 
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D65 said:
Because this pettiness and ego bullshit can harm the peace treaty. And I really hope it doesn't.

Who fucking cares who is credited or not, no need to ruffle feathers.
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If peace is a serious discussion then a Twitter war shouldn't pose any danger to it. If it does there wasn't any foundation to begin with.

I don't think the US had much to do it with and thankfully so. If we were involved as we are now, it probably wouldn't last.
 
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Parthenios said:
Do we think Trump cares more about human rights violations or about "scoring" a "win" and maybe even getting a Nobel prize ("Suck it, Obama!") out of it?
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Definitely scoring a win. Even if its a lie and perceived as one. I almost feel like he will tell him during the meeting to take it back, and the concentration camps are fine/can we lease them to send Hondurans/media.
 
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The fact that some of you find this funny makes me think this peace treaty means less to you than making hot takes at your president.

This whole thing has me on edge.
 

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This OP is from a prior thread where they couldn't discuss DPRK and ROK in any way besides how it reflected on Trump.

It's still embarrassing.

And claiming DRPK statements are as worth equally as much or as little as ROK? They've lost all sense of perspective. Good Lord
 
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Vermillion said:
It's not about who should be trusted (though yeah, you would def trust SK over NK). It's that Trump has hella ego. SK probably made him feel good, this would not. And then considering Trump is also reactive, he might hurt negotiations.
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No shit it could hurt negotiation but SK shouldn't have credited Trump in the first place and you shouldn't treat Moon's word as gospel.
 
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D65 said:
The fact that some of you find this funny makes me think this peace treaty means less to you than making hot takes at your president.

This whole thing has me on edge.
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1 poster said this is hilarious, backed by a opinion of why. Thats hardly "some." Is it against your own personal rules of posting that people can't assume trump will respond in a shitty way to this? I don't see posts making light of the peace treaty. Do you?

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You're really going to argue over the word "some"?
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No need.
 
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This OP is from a prior thread where they couldn't discuss DPRK and ROK in any way besides how it reflected on Trump.

It's still embarrassing.

And claiming DRPK statements are as worth equally as much or as little as ROK? They've lost all sense of perspective. Good Lord
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Well... Look at the OP.
 

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Commedieu said:
1 poster said this is hilarious, backed by a opinion of why. Thats hardly "some." Is it against your own personal rules of posting that people can't assume trump will respond in a shitty way to this? I don't see posts making light of the peace treaty. Do you?
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You're really going to argue over the word "some"?
 
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Anybody with some actual knowledge of geopolitics knows Trump twitter rants had nothing to do with it.

D65 said:
The fact that some of you find this funny makes me think this peace treaty means less to you than making hot takes at your president.

This whole thing has me on edge.
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The peace treaty as it is means jackshit. NK has signed peace treaties before. Guess how fucking well that went.
 
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"The spokesman also reportedly warned the US to not “deliberately provoke” North Korea by raising human rights issues in the country."

Always stuns me to see people talking about reunification when they're talking about a regime that is the single most brutal hermit dictatorship on earth. Sure, they're all going to relinquish their power and all those people/families who were victims of torture/murder will not seek justice. Reunification dust will be sprinkled across the Koreas and everything will end happily because Kim Jong Un smiled like a troll for some cameras at a summit.
 
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What's happening here is pretty obvious.

NK is clearly trying to get the US out of the equation for two reasons:

  • It's what they want, so they can be left alone
  • It's what China wants, so they can extend their power and influence over the Pacific in general and SK in particular, diplomatically speaking
By giving themselves and Moon the credit for peace talks, they're trying to get on SK's good side while also stripping them from their power backup. In global politics it doesn't matter whether something is true or not as much as it matters whether it is useful or not. And taking the US out is useful. It's not a battle of egos.
 
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BernardoOne said:
Anybody with some actual knowledge of geopolitics knows Trump twitter rants had nothing to do with it.
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This, and I find it appalling how Americans on here, pro-Trump or otherwise, can't seem to think of anything in the world not revolving around the American's president self-esteem.
 
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It is amusing to see people hate Trump so much that they will accept a DPRK statement at face value, rationalising that if we believe SK, we should equally believe the second biggest propaganda machine in the world. Just because it fits their Trump narrative better than what SK said.

Of course DPRK will say USA or the sanctions wasn’t the reason, because anything else would look like a loss, not a victory, and encourage similar US interventions in the future too.

Also, human rights will be a total non-issue, USA is best buddies with many horrible human rights violating regimes.
 
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Chittagong said:
It is amusing to see people hate Trump so much that they will accept a DPRK statement at face value, rationalising that if we believe SK, we should equally believe the second biggest propaganda machine in the world. Just because it fits their Trump narrative better than what SK said.

Of course DPRK will say USA or the sanctions wasn’t the reason, because anything else would look like a loss, not a victory, and encourage similar US interventions in the future too.

Also, human rights will be a total non-issue, USA is best buddies with many horrible human rights violating regimes.
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You don't need to "accept" their statement. People who actually know their shit already knew this quite a bit before NK said it.
 
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Chittagong said:
It is amusing to see people hate Trump so much that they will accept a DPRK statement at face value, rationalising that if we believe SK, we should equally believe the second biggest propaganda machine in the world. Just because it fits their Trump narrative better than what SK said.

Of course DPRK will say USA or the sanctions wasn’t the reason, because anything else would look like a loss, not a victory, and encourage similar US interventions in the future too.

Also, human rights will be a total non-issue, USA is best buddies with many horrible human rights violating regimes.
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People find DPRK's statement easy to believe because Trump didn't actually do anything.
 
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