Exactly. She is writer and a poet first and a rapper just beyond that, and talented in all those aspects. Seriously disappointed to hear this, though I absolutely understand where she's coming from. Not to knock Cardi B. or Nicki before her, but Noname's talent is deeper and has way more substance.It's less being pissed off and more being frustrated as her music is literally about the black experience and her audience is predominantly white. she's not rapping about the things cardi b raps about. she raps about life as black woman living in chicago. her music is basiclaly poetry over hip hop beats
Thankfully artists are not able to ban people from their shows based on race in the US.
Wait, the audience isn't screaming racial slurs at her....they're singing along?
That would essentially be career suicide, considering she is upset that PoC don't go to her shows anyway.Perhaps not legally, but I'm sure if she made it known that white people aren't welcome at her shows, most of them would get the message.
didn't read passed the title, huh?
Why not read what she said and not be dense?I mean, it's not great. If I was white and a fan of hers I would probably be pretty upset to know that me being those combinations of things at her show pissed her off.
He knows this. Dont waste your time with his 'innocent' observations.Don't say the N word if you're a white person. That includes "singing along."
Dumb how? Black musicians shouldn't feel the need to put on an act, caricatured or otherwise, just to please a white audience who has little actual respect for them or their art. At what point does it become a circus act?They seem to kind of go together, at least based on the tweets in the OP.
She is calling out black people for not attending her shows and calling out white people for saying the n word. Saying things like "I don't want to dance around for white people" is incredibly dumb though.
This seems strange to me.It's less being pissed off and more being frustrated as her music is literally about the black experience and her audience is predominantly white. she's not rapping about the things cardi b raps about. she raps about life as black woman living in chicago. her music is basiclaly poetry over hip hop beats
She's an indie artist who's primarily on the festival circuit. Festival tickets cost in the hundreds meaning only white people can usually afford them. Most black indie artists have white fans for these reasons.Why is her audience particularly white though? Not really familiar with her music, is it not popular with black people?
but it costs like 20-30 to see a show, and, as she herself points out, plenty of black people manage to find their way to and can afford concerts by other rappersPatronizing art is a privilege. Tickets aren't free, having time and being able to travel aren't free. No wonder most commercial music is for a white audience.
No one is asking her to do any of those things. People go to her shows because they enjoy the art that she creates, not for her to be anything you listed.Dumb how? Black musicians shouldn't feel the need to put on an act, caricatured or otherwise, just to please a white audience who has little actual respect for them or their art. At what point does it become a circus act?
Y'all really pushing the idea that black people can't come to my shows because of black death and financial restraint ??? As if Dababy, Megan and Smino shows ain't black as hell? Say you don't like my shit and move around lol
Fr. This could be in response to so many posts in this thread.
All of those rappers are mainstream artists who get played on urban stations. They're not gonna hear about Noname at the pitchfork festival.but it costs like 20-30 to see a show, and, as she herself points out, plenty of black people manage to find their way to and can afford concerts by other rappers
He knows this. Dont waste your time with his 'innocent' observations.
Yes. She hates white people. That's it, exactly.No one is asking her to do any of those things. People go to her shows because they enjoy the art that she creates, not for her to be anything you listed.
She is basically saying she doesn't want to perform for people who pay for her shows and I think it's a bad take.
Seems like she should ban white people from her shows. If she only wants minority attention, she should be prepared to make a lot less money, though. Still, if she has convictions that her music is not for white people, then she should stick to them.
Just a side note, is there a bit of a backlash against Lizzo going on? Particularly in the black community? I'm sorry, I'm out of the loop.
Why is her audience particularly white though? Not really familiar with her music, is it not popular with black people?
...yeah, I don't know what I expected from this thread.
She is basically saying she doesn't want to perform for people who pay for her shows and I think it's a bad take.
Yes. She hates white people. That's it, exactly.
I swear black people need our own version of "ok boomer" to express the frustration of constantly trying to convey points of view to groups of people who go out of their way to avoid understanding us.
I agree with this. But, then again, I don't think the word should ever be used, by anyone. It's a disgusting term with an abhorrent origin.Don't say the N word if you're a white person. That includes "singing along."
Don't assume. It wasn't an 'innocent' observation....it was an understanding that wasn't readily apparent in the quotes. Because I honestly thought that her audience were yelling racial slurs at her as some sort of 'inside' thing (in an "Anthrax Sucks" sort of way).He knows this. Dont waste your time with his 'innocent' observations.
As a non American black guy, your race relationships are beyond fucked up; mostly because of white supremacism but shit like this also sound racist as fuck to me. Changing the existent division should also include going beyond your audience's skin color, and you know, judging individuals, and not non-electable groups such as human races as a whole.
Every time someone posts in disagreement with something, someone always posts "I thought this was supposed to be a progressive forum?!" Isn't the entire purpose of a message board to have discourse on a subject. If everyone came in here posting the same exact thing, what is the point?Main reason I disagree is that even right here on this forum, this supposed bastion of progressivism, you still get regular posters who come in and try to treat creative works like they can be divorced from politics, that exist only as expressions of aesthetics, and that those aesthetics aren't rooted in ideologies themselves.
I am not going to blame someone for getting demoralized when they are bearing their souls out, illustrating cultural pain, to an audience who won't engage with it beyond "sick beat" or "finally, an excuse to say the n-word".
Main reason I disagree is that even right here on this forum, this supposed bastion of progressivism, you still get regular posters who come in and try to treat creative works like they can be divorced from politics, that exist only as expressions of aesthetics, and that those aesthetics aren't rooted in ideologies themselves.
I am not going to blame someone for getting demoralized when they are bearing their souls out, illustrating cultural pain, to an audience who won't engage with it beyond "sick beat" or "finally, an excuse to say the n-word".
Where did I even imply that she hates white people? I even prefaced it by saying she even calls out PoC for not supporting her in an earlier the post. Not sure where your comment comes from.Yes. She hates white people. That's it, exactly.
I swear black people need our own version of "ok boomer" to express the frustration of constantly trying to convey points of view to groups of people who go out of their way to avoid understanding us.
I am not going to blame someone for getting demoralized when they are bearing their souls out, illustrating cultural pain, to an audience who won't engage with it beyond "sick beat" or "finally, an excuse to say the n-word".
That would essentially be career suicide, considering she is upset that PoC don't go to her shows anyway.
I couldn't imagine barring an entire race from your shows would go over very well, either.
Why is her audience particularly white though? Not really familiar with her music, is it not popular with black people?