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Norman Reedus happy that Silent Hill didn't pan out because "Death Stranding is way better"
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I like Death Stranding so far and I appreciate that Hideo is finally able to have total creative freedom, but I would be lying if I said I would prefer that game over Silent Hills. The Kojima/Del Toro team-up on that series would've been fantastic.
To be honest I have a hard time explaining what makes it so good and watching gameplay makes it look pretty mundane.
The gameplay loop is just incredibly addictive and the little details in every system make the game more interesting.
Unlike some games the attention to detail and realism doesn't detract from the fun. Looking at the weather forecast, planning your route, predicting what equipment will be required and how best to carry it on yourself/your vehicle, interacting with other players creations and sharing your own to help each other and the way the game steadily adds new things to the loop keeps things fresh.
Imagine if MGSV was about delivering packages instead of shooting guys, sounds boring right? But it's that well designed that in my opinion the moment-to-moment gameplay is even more enjoyable.
What Remains of Edith Finch is walking for a couple of hours as is Journey but most would agree they are pretty great games.
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I could be crazy, but I'm actually really enjoying my time with Death Stranding and I don't understand the hate comments. Most of the people passing it off as just a package delivery game or walking sim come off like they haven't even tried the game for themselves. It's like they learned that this was not in fact a cleverly disguised Metal Gear game and just went full "meh" after that. But anyway, that's not what this thread is about.
This thread is about me going against the grain here and saying that I agree with Norman Reedus here. P.T. was amazing and it elevated just how scary games could be in a way that wouldn't be matched until I played RE7 in VR. It demonstrated that Kojima and his team really had a good grasp not only on what the PS4 hardware could do, but also that they could craft a proper horror atmosphere. But, none of that could get me that hyped for a new Silent Hill game. The franchise had taken so many missteps in the games that came out after Silent Hill 3, that I felt (and still feel) like it couldn't really be salvaged. SH1, 2, and 3 are some of my favorite games of all time. I even enjoyed the first movie despite it getting a but hokey and generic at the end (salem witch trial rehash felt very uninspired). Silent Hill 4 felt like the beginning of the end. The game started interesting but by the time I was going through the same 4 areas again with remixed puzzles, it felt like the devs didn't care anymore and were starting to phone it in. Homecoming just felt like they were trying to shoehorn some of the movie effects into a game and it felt very slapped together, clunky, and again I couldn't press myself to finish it. Origins was a fun little diversion and I appreciate it in much the same way I appreciate the PSP Killzone game, which is a big departure from the FPS titles, but it didn't truly feel like a Silent Hill game. Shattered Memories was the exception for me - that one I love for its sheer creativity in putting a new spin on the events of the first game, and for still feeling like Silent Hill despite the radical change in style (the ice vs all the rust and grime). Downpour I didn't even try, though, because I was feeling too worn out on "bad" silent him games after 4, origins, and Homecoming. Maybe Silent Hills would have been the reboot that the series needed, but with 3 good games in the series and 4 "okay" or "bad" ones, I didn't have a lot of faith. Kojima may have cared about the IP and had the know how and vision to breathe life into it, but I think Konami just wanted fast cash and didn't care enough about it themselves to let him do what needed doing. Metal Gear Survive should stand as testament to how much Konami cares. Death stranding, as divisive as it is, feels fresh and new, and for me at least the social system, the music, the presentation, and even the story so far (I'm on Chapter 6) has been really great. I'm happier with this journey into new, unknown territory than I would have been seeing if someone could "make Silent Hill great again."
This thread is about me going against the grain here and saying that I agree with Norman Reedus here. P.T. was amazing and it elevated just how scary games could be in a way that wouldn't be matched until I played RE7 in VR. It demonstrated that Kojima and his team really had a good grasp not only on what the PS4 hardware could do, but also that they could craft a proper horror atmosphere. But, none of that could get me that hyped for a new Silent Hill game. The franchise had taken so many missteps in the games that came out after Silent Hill 3, that I felt (and still feel) like it couldn't really be salvaged. SH1, 2, and 3 are some of my favorite games of all time. I even enjoyed the first movie despite it getting a but hokey and generic at the end (salem witch trial rehash felt very uninspired). Silent Hill 4 felt like the beginning of the end. The game started interesting but by the time I was going through the same 4 areas again with remixed puzzles, it felt like the devs didn't care anymore and were starting to phone it in. Homecoming just felt like they were trying to shoehorn some of the movie effects into a game and it felt very slapped together, clunky, and again I couldn't press myself to finish it. Origins was a fun little diversion and I appreciate it in much the same way I appreciate the PSP Killzone game, which is a big departure from the FPS titles, but it didn't truly feel like a Silent Hill game. Shattered Memories was the exception for me - that one I love for its sheer creativity in putting a new spin on the events of the first game, and for still feeling like Silent Hill despite the radical change in style (the ice vs all the rust and grime). Downpour I didn't even try, though, because I was feeling too worn out on "bad" silent him games after 4, origins, and Homecoming. Maybe Silent Hills would have been the reboot that the series needed, but with 3 good games in the series and 4 "okay" or "bad" ones, I didn't have a lot of faith. Kojima may have cared about the IP and had the know how and vision to breathe life into it, but I think Konami just wanted fast cash and didn't care enough about it themselves to let him do what needed doing. Metal Gear Survive should stand as testament to how much Konami cares. Death stranding, as divisive as it is, feels fresh and new, and for me at least the social system, the music, the presentation, and even the story so far (I'm on Chapter 6) has been really great. I'm happier with this journey into new, unknown territory than I would have been seeing if someone could "make Silent Hill great again."
DS opinions seem to be pulling a reverse TOW. TOW was praised on release and then the problems with game balance, difficulty, perk and item usefulness, etc. started to rear its head.
DS releases to heavily divisive opinion, but then people start getting deeper into the game and appreciating it more. That's cool.
I've criticized DS for a while now, but I am happy to see that there is actually something there beyond what the reviewers told us.
DS releases to heavily divisive opinion, but then people start getting deeper into the game and appreciating it more. That's cool.
I've criticized DS for a while now, but I am happy to see that there is actually something there beyond what the reviewers told us.
Kinda agree and kinda disagree.
I love Death Stranding and think it's amazing, but a Kojima led SH really could have been something special. I think Kojima works better with tighter more linear games like Silent Hill as opposed to the (really) big open world games he has been doing recently.
I love Death Stranding and think it's amazing, but a Kojima led SH really could have been something special. I think Kojima works better with tighter more linear games like Silent Hill as opposed to the (really) big open world games he has been doing recently.
That was what I was telling a friend yesterday and he agreed. Silent Hills would have been great, no doubt about that. But Death Stranding is really something else. Something unique, fresh and truly great.
Like how my life has never been the same since the cancellation of Mega Man Legends 3?
I miss Silent Hill, A LOT. But I have been so thoroughly engrossed by Death Stranding that I think I actually agree. I have had so many WOW moments and interesting experiences. Silent Hills would have been scary as hell, but DS is something very unique.
Yeah, some final fantasy 15 threads were downright insufferable because of people acting like a cut character from versus 13 who only existed in cg was better than the character in the game.
Which became way funnier when the leaked plot of versus 13 surfaced and it was a disaster and then KH3 came out and it was exceedingly mediocre.
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Death Stranding definitely shares some elements with P.T.
Maybe this was the original idea of silent hills.
Let's be honest with ourselves: as awesome as PT was, Konami's interference would have ruined Silent Hills.
If it had turned out to be anything like PT I think SH would have been a far better game. As it stands while I'm happy Kojima got to make his vision with DS, I'm not impressed with it as a video game.
Well this is a little different. First off PT was one of the most hype teasers ever and as a standalone game/project/thing it was an incredibly effectively creepy experience. 2nd it's a new silent Hill which fans have been dying for. It's not like people are just blindly thinking it would be awesome, there was a great foundation there.
I've never been more disappointed in Norman Reedus than I am right now.
Wait. Boondock Saints 2 exists.
Okay, I've almost never been more disappointed in Norman Reedus than I am right now.
Wait. Boondock Saints 2 exists.
Okay, I've almost never been more disappointed in Norman Reedus than I am right now.
I totally understand someone feeling like there's more to something like DS than a more straight-up horror focused Silent Hills. I think it's awesome that Reedus is able to make this sort of meta-commentary about the projects, and I'm sure the freedom all around in the DS development made it a much more fun project on the actor/developer side of things.
Something totally new vs. an entry in a long-running franchise has to be a world of difference.
Something totally new vs. an entry in a long-running franchise has to be a world of difference.
Yea at the end of PT the teaser for silent hills plays and he's the main character. Then it got canceled
Is it any good? I think there's too much noise between the fans of Kojima's earlier work. My hype was completely lost at the notion of the wealth of management systems and traversing. Those two aspects of any games is almost always my least favorite, and it's only really justified in terms of its relation to combat and/or exploration that adds to the world building. But this doesn't seem the case for Death Stranding... I can't figure out..
I honestly never expected to agree with Norman but I do. The first few reveals left me worried about the game and it wasn't until the reviews came out that I actually considered picking it up.
And I'm glad I did, it's easily one of the most memorable games I've played in a long time.
And I'm glad I did, it's easily one of the most memorable games I've played in a long time.
There is absolutely nothing that would indicate that Silent Hills would have ended up being better than Death Stranding. Heck Silent Hills would in all likelihood barely resembled P.T. People are just letting their wild imaginations get the best of them. This was still Konami and Silent Hill so the end result would have been questionable regardless of how many big names were attached to the project.
To claim stuff like this?
I don't think it is, no; at the very least you should form your own opinion. And keep in mind I myself think Kojima is an overindulged fool who's not nearly as talented as he thinks he is, didn't like any MGS except 1 and 3, and am quite skeptical about DS.
