North Korea is winning the Olympics --and it's not because of sports

Blablurn

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The last time South Korea hosted an Olympic Games, the North went so far in its attempt to best the attention Seoul was getting that it drove its economy into perdition and its people into starvation.

This time around, however, the North has gotten the kind of publicity money can't buy.


Yesterday, on the first official day of the Games, Kim Yo Jong, the younger sister of leader Kim Jong Un, took center stage when she met with President Moon Jae-in at South Korea's presidential palace known as the Blue House, where she delivered an invitation to Moon to travel north and meet her brother.
The stage for the next two weeks is set for more moments of one-upmanship. Pence initiated his own propaganda push while he visits South Korea for the Games. He brought along the father of Otto Warmbier, the American student who was jailed in North Korea and died upon his return to the US last year after suffering extensive brain damage.


Meanwhile, the visit of Kim Yo Jong --- the 30-year-old is blacklisted by Washington --- is one of the most powerful people in the Hermit Kingdom.
Television footage of sporting events has been interspersed with scenes of buses pulling up and North Korea's brightly-uniformed cheering squads and art troupes filing out.
More here: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/09/asia/south-korea-north-korea-spotlight-fight-intl/index.html

Here is another interesting Twitter thread on this topic: https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/962476549734785024/photo/1
 

chaobreaker

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The amount of gushing of the Kim's hottest new sibling and whitewashing of the North's atrocities I'm seeing online is staggering and disgusting.


CNN is normalizing a violent dictatorship.

Even BuzzFeed is calling people out:

 
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legend166

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Just a reminder, here's what the UN said about North Korea:

“Systematic, widespread and gross human rights violations have been, and are being, committed by the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, its institutions and officials. In many instances, the violations of human rights found by the commission constitute crimes against humanity. These are not mere excesses of the state. They are essential components of a political system that has moved far from the ideals on which it claims to be founded. The gravity, scale and nature of these violations reveal a state that does not have any parallel in the contemporary world. Political scientists of the 20th century characterized this type of political organization as a totalitarian state: A state that does not content itself with ensuring the authoritarian rule of a small group of people, but seeks to dominate every aspect of its citizens’ lives and terrorizes them from within.”
I find the press coverage (and posts on this site) to be genuinely baffling. People hate Trump so much they're willing to swallow propaganda from what is essentially the most brutal totalitarian state since Nazi Germany.

But hey let's all laugh at their funny cheerleaders, and aww isn't it nice they're sharing a hockey team with South Korea?

I'll believe they've changed when they stop brutally murdering their own citizens and threatening their neighbours with nuclear destruction. Until then they're just playing everyone for chumps.
 

Rembrandt

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The stage for the next two weeks is set for more moments of one-upmanship. Pence initiated his own propaganda push while he visits South Korea for the Games. He brought along the father of Otto Warmbier, the American student who was jailed in North Korea and died upon his return to the US last year after suffering extensive brain damage.
Good on Pence actually.

Over/under on a lot of the "left" sudden acceptance being Russian propaganda like during the election?
 

guek

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Hmm. I'm Korean American. My dad is North Korean. My mother is South Korean. If Trump inadvertently unites the peninsula and then starts a war, there's a non negligible chance my family and I will end up in an internment camp.

God, we all have to vote in November
 

xvr

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Yeah every time I see anything to do with the north and Kim's sister I always wonder just how much its all playing into their hands. Hope the south isn't getting played in all this.
 

signal

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I don't know if they are winning anything. Everyone is still shitting on them besides the US media for some bizarre reason.

Also was good to see this
 

Rembrandt

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Is it though? On the other hand I just see it as using a victim's father as a political chess piece.
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. A reminder of the atrocities they commit to their citizens and how easily they will do it to Americans with no repercussions at all.

North Korea is a shit country and it shouldn't be ignored because they bullied their way into the Olympics. They literally practiced blowing up the hosting city for decades and tried to disrupt it last time it was hosted there.
 
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Like I think Pence being so distant isn't particularly helpful, maybe at the very least he could work out their agenda with a conversation.

But North Korea is North Korea. Unless they send across an olive branch and show they want to stop their people from suffering, we shouldn't act like anything about their country is okay. I mean I'm hoping that the photo ops with the south at the very least make conflict slightly less likely but it's a put up or shut up situation.
 

Windrunner

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I knew this thread would be about his sister before I even clicked on it. So many media outlets are run by cretins.
 

PJV3

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I know North Korea is a disgrace, and I don't give a toss about the pr war, but Pence giving the cold shoulder is just more of the same diplomacy that hasn't done much either.
 

mac

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The N.K. has only one game and unless we tip our toes into it there is no other chance of communication. Unless Lime has a perfect strategy we can't dismiss all possible roots to NK talks.
 
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Hodgy

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If this leads to a de-escalation of NK's current behaviour then I'd argue its for the good. Unfortunately you have to treat horrible people delicately if you wish to change their minds
 

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An quick reminder to those who seem willing to swallow propaganda of NK because of their hatred of Trump, that millions of people still suffer under NK's rule.
What better reminder that the US has those Korean citizens at heart than bringing the father of an American tourist who committed a crime in the country, and to be honest has little sympathy in SK.
 
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The regime she endorses is imprisoning tens of thousands of people as we speak. People are starving, children are dying and these poor souls have no escape from it all because they'll be killed/improsoned if they try to.

In my eyes she's a walking devil who can put on an act of innocence and some media outlets are liking that. It's absurd.
 

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You should have seen the joint flag bearing thread here, people were fucking ecstatic that it's the beginning of better relations etc
You can support and enjoy this temporary union of athletes from both sides while still remembering that the leadership of the country is rotten and needs to be removed.
 

cw_sasuke

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This is pretty much a Ivanka Trump situation - friendly good looking face covering up for a messed up Government.
 

aspiegamer

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ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
The gushing is a bit much without any actual reforms at this time, but in the context of "this is the biggest diplomatic movement on the peninsula in a generation and it's seemingly a run of deescalation between the two Koreas" it is still pretty big news. The US media in particular I think is desperate for stories from the region that aren't related to threats of nuclear war. There's also an element of clowning Trump's threats against NK that some people want to seize on (myself included). The local governments are trying to thaw relations while the official US stance is that NK has to give up its nukes before we even talk to them, despite our knowing it's a thing that will not happen. It's absurd. The world wants to see diplomacy.
 

Rembrandt

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What better reminder that the US has those Korean citizens at heart than bringing the father of an American tourist who committed a crime in the country, and to be honest has little sympathy in SK.
It's a reminder for America. We show we have SK's citizens best interests at heart by promising to protect their country even at the risk of a disastrous war.

If this leads to a de-escalation of NK's current behaviour then I'd argue its for the good. Unfortunately you have to treat horrible people delicately if you wish to change their minds
Nazism says no.
 

Trojita

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The dumb people that fall for Ivanka are probably the same people eating this shit up without thinking.

This was made a little while ago, but I'd suggest that anyone that hasn't seen this video to watch it. It's a video of people that lived in North Korea, were able to escape, talking about a glimpse of their experience there while enjoying some American style barbecue.

 

mac

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The amount of gushing of the Kim's hottest new sibling and whitewashing of the North's atrocities I'm seeing online is staggering and disgusting.


CNN is normalizing a violent dictatorship.

Even BuzzFeed is calling people out:

Disgusting by Buzzfeed.

CNN gets clearance and does not "gush" Buzzfeed accuseing them of gushing.


Liberal media eating itself apart. GUSHING.

Time to live in a cabin with a horse and not bother anyone.
 

cw_sasuke

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I understand the basis of your comparison, but one government is much, much more messed up than the other.
Of course...though the current US gov. is pretty messed up as well in relative "Leader of the free world" terms.

Just look the first picture on this thread...oh she is hot and welcoming, she cant be that bad - most basic people wont think much further. Its the same with Ivanka whenever she comes up...people tend to forget rather fast if this type of person presents the government.
 

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Is this an American news thing? Haven't read anything positive in German news except for the potential of a positive influence on the North/South Korea relationship this could have.
 

Truant

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Fuck Pence and all, but I sorta dig the move of bringing that guys dad to annoy the Kims.
 
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It is a really bad idea to try to normalize NK. It's criminal on a human scale that is unbelievable in our times. I still don't understand how such darkness can exist in a modern age.
 

Rembrandt

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The war is not in the interest of SK's citizens.

The threats Trump makes are not done with the interests of SK's citizens at heart
A war isn't in anybody's best interests.

Protection against an obvious harmful force is, unless you're telling me that SK would be better off in 2018 if we completely dissociate.

Give it less than 2 months and NK will be back to test firing nukes at their capital.
 

excelsiorlef

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Disgusting by Buzzfeed.

CNN gets clearance and does not "gush" Buzzfeed accuseing them of gushing.


Liberal media eating itself apart. GUSHING.

Time to live in a cabin with a horse and not bother anyone.
The word gushing is not in the buzzfeed piece ay all. It was highlighting the soft headlines and soft reactions and reminding you who this woman actually is.
 

excelsiorlef

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A war isn't in anybody's best interests.

Protection against an obvious harmful force is, unless you're telling me that SK would be better off in 2018 if we completely dissociate.

Give it less than 2 months and NK will be back to test firing nukes at their capital.
Trump since taking power has escalated tensions.
 

BernardoOne

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If this leads to a de-escalation of NK's current behaviour then I'd argue its for the good. Unfortunately you have to treat horrible people delicately if you wish to change their minds
This is not the first time SK and NK went into the Olympics together. They did it plenty in the 2000s. Didn't change shit.
 

mac

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It is a really bad idea to try to normalize NK. It's criminal on a human scale that is unbelievable in our times. I still don't understand how such darkness can exist in a modern age.
But now they have a nuke. What are the international relations now? We were still learning post-Berlin Wall in college. They didn't teach this shit as the towers were falling. I'm out of it.
 

harry the spy

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Completely with buzzfeed here. The way the news is covering the event is disgusting, and pence is completely right to snub NK.
 

Xando

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Kim is playing this smart. If he's bettering relations with SK it makes it a lot harder for the US to justify thousands of casualties in seoul when they start their inevitable war campaign.
 

Paraside

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Oh most apologies m'lady. Can we get back to the topic at hand now?
I think you began the casual derail with this post:
Disgusting by Buzzfeed.

CNN gets clearance and does not "gush" Buzzfeed accuseing them of gushing.


Liberal media eating itself apart. GUSHING.

Time to live in a cabin with a horse and not bother anyone.
The patronising 'mlady' also unnecessary.

However, I agree with your last sentence.