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BrassDragon

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Oct 26, 2017
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The Netherlands
Sorry for sidetracking your reply. You're right up to a point. But i think a lot of it could be avoided if those investigating this looked and acted in the right places. Everyone here knows how and where this shit festers, why don't those whose job is to investigate it? In the US, for example, there is extreme resistance from the fascist adjacent institutions to do their jobs when it comes to white supremacy. Sites that promote white supremacy should just not be allowed to function, period.

I keep hearing about how these things are too new, and i just don't buy it tbh. The internet is not new. Message and image boards are not new. Nazi sites are not new. Online grooming and recruitment is not new. Nothing here is new except for how openly things are done nowadays.

As another aside, and example of how every priority is fucked up, here in the UK i cannot access a torrent site like Pirate Bay, whether i actually wanted to pirate something or not. It's blocked and i need to jump through hoops to access it if i want to (i don't). But if i want to mingle with some good ole nazis and plan terrorist attacks, every ISP says that's just fine and dandy.

Honestly, i have no hope. As long as we keep building our entire society around the concept of hoarding wealth, shit's gonna stay broken.

No worries, I share your frustration about not enough being done. My point isn't that we should give up, just saying that the current state of academic research is insufficient to help with early warning. Other measures need to be taken.

Of course radicalization is not a new phenomenon but the escalating effect of online communities is fairly recent... from a counter-terrorism perspective, all the procedures, laws and capabilities are shaped by decades of identifying small cells and key inspirational figures, it's not geared towards fighting individuals and crowd-sourced extremism (although the rise of IS did accelerate countermeasures in this area).

Some of the measures that would be required from a practical standpoint (like mass internet surveillance and device tracking) just aren't acceptable to free societies and would create their own problems (like not having enough manpower to process the amount of data.)

The calculus is something like: security services look at 20,000 members of a radical community, then filter that down to 200 at-risk individuals (based on the imperfect scientific profile of these people) and then selecting the 10 or 20 extremists that have enough priority to allocate precious manpower for investigation and observation (imagine teams of around 25 people working on each case)... only so you can maybe effect 1 or 2 interventions (e.g. arrest) by the time the legal case is complete. Those aren't great odds and there are guaranteed to be misses, as in people who flew under the radar or weren't high enough on the priority list.

I'm in favor of deplatforming and causing maximum friction for these people to find inspiration and community (the die-hards will find a way but if you make it harder, maybe the community shrinks from 20k members to 2k members which is much more manageable for security services as per the above calculus.)

The best way to do that, as far as I know, is to pressure platform holders, legislators and regulators through political action.

Looking at annual public reports of EU security services, the trend has been pointed out for years now... that certainly didn't have enough of an effect and I'd rather we do something before we suffer the same lunacy as the US is currently going through.
 

Addi

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Oct 25, 2017
4,226
Fuck this piece of shit coward. And from Bærum of all places (one of the poshest places in Norway). The people at the mosque are heroes.

But remember folks, video games and unreleased movies are the real problem.

At least we'll try to address it correctly here in Norway, but yeah, it's a world wide problem and the US has a lot of the blame to take. Being stricter witht the big web companies and maybe not let right wing extremist brainwash kids on youtube would be a good start.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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This should really be getting more attention. Cearly there are copy cats starting to appear world wide now ever since the New Zealand shooting and I just think it's going to get worse.

People only seem to care when there is a high body count which contributes to the thirst for drama we have when we want news and that gives ideas to people who want infamy.
 

Ushay

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Oct 27, 2017
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This could have been much, much worse. They are lucky they disarmed him so quickly, hats off to these people. Just before Eid too..
 
OP
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This should really be getting more attention. Cearly there are copy cats starting to appear world wide now ever since the New Zealand shooting and I just think it's going to get worse.

People only seem to care when there is a high body count which contributes to the thirst for drama we have when we want news and that gives ideas to people who want infamy.
Ever since the Utøya attack
 

Mahonay

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Oct 25, 2017
33,316
Pencils Vania
The people who stopped him pretty much immediately are absolute heroes. Only one injury is astonishing.

RIP to the one fatality before the Mosque shooting. Alt right white supremacy is a danger to the entire planet.
 

Slim

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Sep 24, 2018
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This should really be getting more attention. Cearly there are copy cats starting to appear world wide now ever since the New Zealand shooting and I just think it's going to get worse.

People only seem to care when there is a high body count which contributes to the thirst for drama we have when we want news and that gives ideas to people who want infamy.
Yeah, pretty much this.
 

Addi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fucking idiots. I have also seen tweets asking why there are mosques in Norway at all. It's not like we've had them for almost 50 years or anything.

The people who stopped him pretty much immediately are absolute heroes. Only one injury is astonishing.

RIP to the one fatality before the Mosque shooting. Alt right white supremacy is a danger to the entire planet.

RIP. Apparently she was the younger step-sister of the gunman.
 

MilesQ

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Oct 25, 2017
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It gets worse from that parasitic filth...

Given the news out of #Oslo that a weapons cache was found in a suburban mosque - shouldn't be be asking if the same is true in mosques in Moleenbeek, Brussels, Paris, Birmingham, Manchester - and other cities known for terrorism offences?

I'm not going to post the tweet.
 

Addi

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Oct 25, 2017
4,226
Is there a source for this? The verge link is taken down.


This claims 4chan.

Ah, yes, misread the Norwegian news. I just assumed 8chan because of this thread, the didn't name the forum in the news. Seemed to be posted hours before the attack too and not last week. Always confusion in the first hours.

Not a fan of news showing the fucker's face though.
 

BlackLagoon

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Oct 25, 2017
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The people who stopped him pretty much immediately are absolute heroes. Only one injury is astonishing.

RIP to the one fatality before the Mosque shooting. Alt right white supremacy is a danger to the entire planet.
Apparently, the mosque had secured their entrances after the Christchurch attack, forcing the gunman to break through glass before he could enter, alerting those inside. And he arrived 10-15 after services had finished, so there were only three people left inside. Eyewitnesses are describing his weapons as shotguns, presumably meant for hunting. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about weapons, but I would guess their ammo capacity would be much more limited than the weapons used in mass shootings in the US.

RIP. Apparently she was the younger step-sister of the gunman.
Nettavisen.no, which is admittedly not the most reputable source, is claiming she was adopted from China.

How did shooters post appear on 8chan since it's been down for a week or so?
Not going to post the name here, but this article makes mention of a "chan" site that's neither 8chan or 4chan.
 

Deleted member 3812

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According to the Daily Beast, there's an 8chan replacement called 08chan, fortunately, 08chan isn't as anonymous as 8chan refugees fleeing to 08chan think they are: https://www.thedailybeast.com/8chan...et-are-accidentally-revealing-their-locations

Refugees from the anonymous 8chan forum are flooding into a new censorship-resistant home on the dark web, and inadvertently giving up their anonymity along the way.

A reincarnated version of the hate-filled forum, now linked to three mass shootings, appeared Monday when the original 8chan lost its hosting service. The new site, called 08chan (with a leading zero), has no affiliation with the original and it's not entirely clear who set it up, but 8chan's diaspora have been flooding in as word of the site spreads through right-wing social media.

The distinguishing feature of the new site is that it lives on ZeroNet, a peer-to-peer network designed by information activists to allow for uncensorable websites immune from government or corporate intervention. Instead of relying on a central server, a ZeroNet site is hosted in bits and pieces by everyone browsing it, making it virtually impossible to shut down.

"Hard as they try, they will never stop us," enthused one poster to the white supremacist "/pol/" board on 08chan. "We are smarter and more innovative."

"The old 8chan site may be ashes, but this is the phoenix egg buried beneath," another wrote.

There's just one catch. Peer-to-peer networks expose a user's internet address to anyone who cares to look. That's how copyright lawyers catch people trading movies, music and software, and it's how police and FBI agents arrest pedophiles trading child porn online.
 

roboleon

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Oct 26, 2017
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Here's the ugly white supremacist cunt, arriving in court. Looks like the 65 year old man got him good while detaining him.
 

BlackLagoon

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Oct 25, 2017
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So the pre-trial detention hearing is over. In addition to the murder of his stepsister, he's been charged with committing an act of terrorism. The court found there was a high risk of destruction of evidence and of him committing further serious crimes, and granted the prosecution's preliminary request for 4 weeks of detention, two of them in complete isolation.

The perpetrator himself has refused to talk to the police, beyond denying guilt and requesting to be freed through his lawyer.

Apparently, those around him saw him as a nice, normal kid up until around a year ago, when he increasingly started espousing extreme religious, misogynistic and anti-immigrant views. At that point he was reported to the police, who looked into him but found no evidence of him planning any criminal acts.
 

Chiramii

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Oct 25, 2017
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Here's the ugly white supremacist cunt, arriving in court. Looks like the 65 year old man got him good while detaining him.
I sometimes wonder what I would have done if I were in the 65 year old's shoes. I fear I would lose my mind on this racist scum and do something I would ultimately regret. He got off pretty easy imo.