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Not a single Woman won on a Screenplay Oscar last decade, the first time that happened since the 1960s
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This is assuming the small, predictable handful of movies they select are the definitive best. This is rarely so imo.
I quite agree. I was just wondering what the standout films of the decade with women screenwriters that 'should' have won, so i could judge the depth of whether this poor from the awards(probably) or there just genuinely wasn't any.
For Screenplays?
The Farewell, The Souvenir, Portrait of a Lady On Fire, High Life, but my favorite and one of the top 2019 Pippa Bianco's Share
The thought alone that in 10 years of movie making not a single movie written by a woman deserved to have won an Oscar for its screenplay is insane and asking for receipts to show otherwise is starting out on the wrong foot from the very beginning.
Off the top of my head Hidden Figure, The Shape of Water, Lady Bird
Not many, which speaks to the greater issue of opportunity in my opinion. I can't really get mad for Lady Bird losing to Get Out a few years back, and if you look at the nominating there aren't really any snubs. I haven't seen Little Women or JoJo Rabbit, so I can't speak to that. Maybe Kristen Wiig for Bridesmaids?
Women need to be given as much opportunity as men in cinema.
I'd argue this year Gerwig should have won for her transformation of Little Women. He restructured a lot of the story to give more of a dreamlike and nostalgic view of childhood and past, and she completely reshaped the ending into something modern while still honoring the book's finale.
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fucking Green Book won last year over The Favourite
There there's your one example. That's all that would have been needed, this one single woman who co-wrote The Favourite could have won over fucking Green Book and not sent us back to the 60s.
Are you satisfied with your one example? Or do you need more to not start defending a 50 year regression?
There there's your one example. That's all that would have been needed, this one single woman who co-wrote The Favourite could have won over fucking Green Book and not sent us back to the 60s.
Are you satisfied with your one example? Or do you need more to not start defending a 50 year regression?
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Taika and Phillips were the least deserving nominees in that category.
Every time you guys remind me of The Farewell''s snub I get furious all over again. Right now it's being balanced by the #bongmentum but whenever that wears off it's just going to be the sad
I can’t even remember the last time. Juno, Lost in translation I think.
The room should have won over big shirt off the top of my head.
The room should have won over big shirt off the top of my head.
2017 was a great year. Loved both Shape of Water and Lady Bird. Get Out and Call me By your name were the eventual winners in those screenplay categories.
I loveeed that movie. That relationship between mother and daughter was so real, so complex.
Lol at people asking for examples - there have historically been way more female screenwriters than female directors in mainstream studio cinema, so there are hundreds of relevant examples for the decade. And quite a few have actually been nominated too this decade -- just never won.
But yeah, we could start with the most egregious snub this year, adapted screenplay, or The Favourite last year. Can You Ever Forgive Me? Also last year. There's Carol, Winter's Bone, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Inside Out, Lady Bird. And these are just some of the screenplays actually nominated for an Oscar this decade. Imagine all the great ones snubbed altogether!
I mean we had female winners in the 30s, 40s and 50s!
But yeah, we could start with the most egregious snub this year, adapted screenplay, or The Favourite last year. Can You Ever Forgive Me? Also last year. There's Carol, Winter's Bone, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Inside Out, Lady Bird. And these are just some of the screenplays actually nominated for an Oscar this decade. Imagine all the great ones snubbed altogether!
I mean we had female winners in the 30s, 40s and 50s!
The relevant question is this: Do structural and systemic barriers exist in Hollywood and American life more broadly that prevent women screenwriters from being in a position to "genuinely" win awards?
It's not a tough question.
They do, but even so there were tons of potential winners this decade in mainstream and critically acclaimed cinema.
You've listed a number of great films, which is why they were nominated, but the award doesn't go to all great films -- it goes to only one in their given year so it makes no sense to discuss them outside of the competition. I mean, sure, Green Book sucked so that's an easy one (if you ignore the other great films like Roma) but you're also listing screenplays that went up against the likes of The Social Network
Aren't the Oscars really more just "I have important friends" awards?
I find this relevant
It is a perfect little jewel. Gerwig is such an exciting filmmaker, and I can't wait to watch the rest of her career.
As long as critics and audiences keep overwhelmingly rewarding the male POV in cinema, this will keep happening. Wrongly.
Just watched Frances Ha, She definitely knows how to make great films with great dialogue!
It's a total sham now, it's a highly iconic and therefore marketable awards show that makes bank off of viewership.
I forgot she co-wrote that in addition to starring. She's wonderful in it.
Her and Baumbach being an item is like...a lot of talent in one house.
Not really. Issues rarely come from one source. If we found that there weren't any movies that deserved it, for example, we could start asking why. For example, do women get passed over for opportunities? Is there a stigma against women writing movies? Etc.
We can pinpoint other issues that lead to the same result.
I mean just compare who/what was nominated and won at the Independent Spirit awards vs the Oscars.
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Wins this decade
2010 - Kings Speech
2011 - Midnight in Paris (Woody Allen)
2012 - Django Unchained (Quentin Tarantino)
2013 - Her
2014 - Birdman
2015 - Spotlight
2016 - Manchester by the Sea
2017 - Get Out (Jordan Peele)
2018 - Green Book
2019 - Parasite
2011 had Bridesmaid which probably should have won over Midnight, most years were all men nominations.
2017 was the strongest year with Lady Bird, Big Sick, and Shape of Water all having women writers losing to Jordan Peele's Get Out.
2018 was also the other bad year, The Favorite (written by Deborah Davis) losing to Green Book is a bit of a eye roll.
So really 2017 and 2018 were the years the academy failed in voting, in other years they failed in nominations. I believe this is one of those categories where only other screenwriters can nominate and vote (not the general academy) so its definitely a "boys club" issue keeping women and minorities out, but hopefully more and more people getting added makes more visiblity to newer faces.
2010 - Kings Speech
2011 - Midnight in Paris (Woody Allen)
2012 - Django Unchained (Quentin Tarantino)
2013 - Her
2014 - Birdman
2015 - Spotlight
2016 - Manchester by the Sea
2017 - Get Out (Jordan Peele)
2018 - Green Book
2019 - Parasite
2011 had Bridesmaid which probably should have won over Midnight, most years were all men nominations.
2017 was the strongest year with Lady Bird, Big Sick, and Shape of Water all having women writers losing to Jordan Peele's Get Out.
2018 was also the other bad year, The Favorite (written by Deborah Davis) losing to Green Book is a bit of a eye roll.
So really 2017 and 2018 were the years the academy failed in voting, in other years they failed in nominations. I believe this is one of those categories where only other screenwriters can nominate and vote (not the general academy) so its definitely a "boys club" issue keeping women and minorities out, but hopefully more and more people getting added makes more visiblity to newer faces.
How much would you bet if a woman wrote a screen play under a male name she would have more of a shot for this category.
What gauls me is that a lot of the male directors that champion cinema don't tend to be vocal when it comes to women and minorities behind the camera unless they are related or friends with them.
Depressing as all get out.
What gauls me is that a lot of the male directors that champion cinema don't tend to be vocal when it comes to women and minorities behind the camera unless they are related or friends with them.
Depressing as all get out.
the academy is never fully progressive and won’t be until we get even more new blood
they make progress one year then walk it back the next
they make progress one year then walk it back the next
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