Not Voting in the Presidential race? Then please, participate in the Senate and House elections, as well as your local elections.

Redeye97 · Mar 26, 2020

Given the likelyhood of Joe Biden winning the nomination, combined with the Rape allegations, there are many people who would rather not vote for Biden during the election. I totally understand why people would be uncomfortable with him, but I'm urging people who decide to sit out the presidential race to please at least participate in the House, Senate, and Governor races.

If Trump ends up winning a second term, the only thing left to check his power will be the House of Representatives, the Senate, and states and municipalities that step up to protect their citizens against Trump's policies. Currently all we can do is block whatever is attempted to pass through the Senate, but we have little recourse for checking his Judicial nominations, or his executive powers. If we lose any seats in the house, and if we fail to take back a majority in the Senate, Trump will be virtually unchecked during his second term.

If you feel the presidency is already a lost cause, then please for the love of God, vote in your House, Senate, Governor, and local races. We can at the very least limit the damage that the Trump administration may inflict on the country.

The senate shall decide our fate. (and the other elections as well)

Jegriva · Mar 26, 2020

This is important. Remember, Merrick Garland didn't enter the SCOTUS because people just didn't care to vote for the 2014 mid-terms.

StraySheep · Mar 26, 2020

But also vote for Biden anyways because we have to. The only people you can be pissed at is the other voters for not going out and picking Bernie. I am still pissed about that. I strongly dislike Biden. But I am voting for him because we can't have another 4 years of Trump.

Deleted member 8741 · Mar 26, 2020

StraySheep said:
But also vote for Biden anyways because we have to. The only people you can be pissed at is the other voters for not going out and picking Bernie. I am still pissed about that. I strongly dislike Biden. But I am voting for him because we can't have another 4 years of Trump.

I think this is unfair to ask of some people even if you feel like it's important.

Flipping the Senate and holding the House would be wonderful. People absolutely should still vote for everything else. I think it's pragmatic to vote for Biden, but I also understand the moral reason to abstain.

dookeh · Mar 26, 2020

Vote for the less bad option you petulant children. JFC

StraySheep · Mar 26, 2020

Octodad said:
I think this is unfair to ask of some people even if you feel like it's important.

Flipping the Senate and holding the House would be wonderful. People absolutely should still vote for everything else. I think it's pragmatic to vote for Biden, but I also understand the moral reason to abstain.

We need to provide an alternative for people to have their voice heard than abstaining in the most important election of our lifetime.

Maybe giving up party memberships?

Euler007 · Mar 26, 2020

I was wondering how the left was going to shoot itself in the foot this time. The left candidate is too far to the right, let's get the far right elected instead.

Dreams-Visions · Mar 26, 2020

You're high if you think the average person who would skip a presidential election vote is informed enough and energized enough to go and vote down ticket.

Actually high. Energy and down ticket votes start at the top. If Joe loses the base, most others will fall too. Millions of people will be hurt because of it.

We may have to accept eating a bowl of shit. You don't have to do it with a smile. But you might need to do it for the good of everyone else.

Doc Holliday · Mar 26, 2020

Euler007 said:
I was wondering how the left was going to shoot itself in the foot this time. The left candidate is too far to the right, let's get the far right elected instead.

pretty much this

Cyanity · Mar 26, 2020

Euler007 said:
I was wondering how the left was going to shoot itself in the foot this time. The left candidate is too far to the right, let's get the far right elected instead.

Literally. It's childish clown logic

captive · Mar 26, 2020

Dreams-Visions said:
You're high if you think the average person who would skip a presidential election vote is informed enough and energized enough to go and vote down ticket.

Actually high. Energy and down ticket votes start at the top. If Joe loses the base, most others will fall too. Millions of people will be hurt because of it. We may have to accept eating a bowl of shit. You don't have to do it with a smile. But you might need to do it for the good of everyone else.

pretty sure if people are going to remember anything from the last few weeks and the coming weeks going forward its going to be that they lost their fucking jobs because of the idiot in the white house and not the credible rape accusation.
as bad as it is people in general, don't give a shit about this stuff. If they did we wouldn't have the clown in the oval office, TWO SUPREME COURT JUSTICES credibly accused of sexual harrasment & assault, wouldn't be on the bench either.

Dodongo · Mar 26, 2020

StraySheep said:
But also vote for Biden anyways because we have to. The only people you can be pissed at is the other voters for not going out and picking Bernie. I am still pissed about that. I strongly dislike Biden. But I am voting for him because we can't have another 4 years of Trump.

Sadly this is where I'm at.

I don't want Biden at all, and we can do way better for ourselves, but that doesn't change the situation we're in.

There's no scenario where Trump winning isn't worse for all of us.

Costa · Mar 26, 2020

dookeh said:
Vote for the less bad option you petulant children. JFC

Euler007 said:
I was wondering how the left was going to shoot itself in the foot this time. The left candidate is too far to the right, let's get the far right elected instead.

Maybe let's not fault people for not wanting to vote for a rapist.

Lyrick · Mar 26, 2020

Vinchenz said:
Maybe let's not fault people for not wanting to vote for a rapist.

Nah I'll fault them for the same shit again when comes up in 2024 and Trump tries for a third term...

Deleted member 2145 · Mar 26, 2020

Dreams-Visions said:
You're high if you think the average person who would skip a presidential election vote is informed enough and energized enough to go and vote down ticket.

Actually high. Energy and down ticket votes start at the top. If Joe loses the base, most others will fall too. Millions of people will be hurt because of it.

We may have to accept eating a bowl of shit. You don't have to do it with a smile. But you might need to do it for the good of everyone else.

I imagine for a lot of people with reservations about Biden it's either a decision between not voting at all or voting for everything except president in which case the eating a bowl of shit metaphor in this scenario would be encouraging them to vote down ballot even if they skip on Joe compared to the worse option of them not voting at all

Garrett 2U · Mar 26, 2020

Am I out of the loop? Who alleged Biden of rape?

Google has led me to these eight instances of sexual misconduct, but "None of them said Biden's behavior amounted to sexual harassment or assault."

Euler007 · Mar 26, 2020

Vinchenz said:
Maybe let's not fault people for not wanting to vote for a rapist.

Alleged.

Lonewulfeus · Mar 26, 2020

Euler007 said:
I was wondering how the left was going to shoot itself in the foot this time. The left candidate is too far to the right, let's get the far right elected instead.

I won't be voting for Biden but will vote downballot. I voted for Hillary in 2016 and was happy to do so, but Biden is less qualified with more actual baggage and far too friendly with republican policy so fuck him.

Antrax · Mar 26, 2020

What's a local election

Costa · Mar 26, 2020

Garrett 2U said:
Am I out of the loop? Who alleged Biden of rape?

Google has led me to these eight instances of sexual misconduct, but "None of them said Biden's behavior amounted to sexual harassment or assault."

"You're nothing": Joe Biden rape victim comes forward in brave audio interview [up: she filed a criminal complaint]

https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story "Tara Reade has been trying to have her story told since 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant to then Senator Joe Biden." Harrowing stuff, if you can listen to this and not believe that he raped this...

www.resetera.com

Euler007 said:
Alleged.

Great. Believe women "unless it's our guy."

Squarehard · Mar 26, 2020

This shouldn't be an ultimatum.

Garrett 2U · Mar 26, 2020

TaySan · Mar 26, 2020

This is what i plan on doing regardless. I'm having mixed feelings right now. I really don't feel comfortable voting for an alleged rapist, but 4 more years of Trump is going to destroy this generation for good. Please just fucking vote for Bernie this primary.

Fuchs · Mar 26, 2020

Yeah, I dunno. Really seems like he's going to get a second term.

Blue Skies · Mar 26, 2020

Lonewulfeus said:
I won't be voting for Biden but will vote downballot. I voted for Hillary in 2016 and was happy to do so, but Biden is less qualified with more actual baggage and far too friendly with republican policy so fuck him.

Joe Biden is probably the only person more qualified than Hillary Clinton there is

jay · Mar 26, 2020

On it.

Euler007 · Mar 26, 2020

Vinchenz said:
"You're nothing": Joe Biden rape victim comes forward in brave audio interview [up: she filed a criminal complaint]

https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story "Tara Reade has been trying to have her story told since 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant to then Senator Joe Biden." Harrowing stuff, if you can listen to this and not believe that he raped this...

www.resetera.com

Great. Believe women "unless it's our guy."

Trump had a littany of accusations in his life. It's an established fact that he beat and raped Ivana, one year before she made her deposition. I'm not saying not to believe this accuser, I'm saying that the processes in place to determine the truth of the accusations in the criminal system should be followed.

Garrett 2U · Mar 26, 2020

Vinchenz said:
"You're nothing": Joe Biden rape victim comes forward in brave audio interview [up: she filed a criminal complaint]

https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story "Tara Reade has been trying to have her story told since 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant to then Senator Joe Biden." Harrowing stuff, if you can listen to this and not believe that he raped this...

www.resetera.com

Great. Believe women "unless it's our guy."

Thank you

Sordid Plebeian · Mar 26, 2020

Not wanting to vote for Biden is not an excuse to not vote at all, down the ballot votes matter. Unfortunately I don't think a lot of young people will think about this.

dookeh said:
Vote for the less bad option you petulant children. JFC

So someone is a petulant child for being uncomfortable with their party knowingly nominating an alleged borderline rapist and not wanting to support that decision? If you expected Republicans to drop Trump after similar allegations broke, why should it be any different for Biden?

Redeye97 · Mar 26, 2020

To the people who are here just to sling insults at the people who don't want to vote for a potentially rapist:

This isn't a Bernie vs. Biden thing for many. This isn't a Left vs. Center/right for many. This isn't even sour grapes for a losing candidate for most. Its a matter of Joe Biden tried to rape a former staffer. This is a man who's supposed to go against a rapist, a racist, and a murderer through negligence. "Joe may be a rapist but..." is not going to cut it for many. It shouldn't cut it for any. We should not be having to brush off our morals just so we can topple one of the worst monsters in American history, cause where do we draw the line? How about a candidate who is a compulsive liar, or one who is a hardcore racist, fucking hates the poor, thinks women are subhuman, or maybe a combination of all of those. When do we stop short of having a Democratic Trump?

You want to know why I will never vote Republican? Because their ends always justifies their means. "So this Roy Moore Character may have molested children, but at least he isn't Doug Jones. at least he isn't a democrat. At least his son isn't gay, In fact, fuck his accusers,". This is the shit I had to deal with in my home state not even 2 years ago. You have another politician comparing women to cattle, another saying Muslims are subhuman, others who think the Jim crow era were the "good ol' days". Yet at the end of the day. No matter what heinous things they've said or done, they hold power because their base decided the ends justified the means. As long as the economy grows. As long as the immigrants are kept out. As long as America "remains" Christian, As long as America is great again.

I don't expect even half of you to read through this, and even less to get my point. But I don't want our party to go down the same path as the Republicans. It makes me sick that I'll have to vote for this monster just to take out the bigger monster. For some that is asking too much, and I applaud those people who would rather not sacrifice their souls for the greater good. I wish I wasn't so numb to it myself.

This whole fucking situation is gross, but at the very least voting in local elections and for the house and senate shouldn't be as gross. For many, its the best we can do to protect our future.

Rayne · Mar 26, 2020

Ah calling people children for not voting for your preferred candidate.

How did that go in 2016?

jon bones · Mar 26, 2020

yeah, we're getting 4 more years of trump

Hiphopopotamus · Mar 26, 2020

Vinchenz said:
Maybe let's not fault people for not wanting to vote for a rapist.

Abstaining or voting for Jill Stein is a choice. You're choosing to let Trump win.

You can't stand still on a moving train. That may suck, but that's life.

Blue Skies · Mar 26, 2020

Rayne said:
Ah calling people children for not voting for your preferred candidate.

How did that go in 2016?

Sexist/racist voters cost us that election, not non voters.

DrForester · Mar 26, 2020

Let's be clear. Anyone who doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee in November is 100% in support of Trump naming 2-3 more Supreme court justices, and continuing to stack the federal courts with right wing nuts for the majority of their remaining life.

Rayne · Mar 26, 2020

Blue Skies said:
Sexist/racist voters cost us that election, not non voters.

True but insulting people is hardly the way to get them to do what you want.

Dartastic · Mar 26, 2020

Honestly, this is how I'm leaning. No vote for president, or a write in. Vote D otherwise down the ticket. I live in Oregon.

Aisod · Mar 26, 2020

I dislike Biden, but 4 more years of Trump is a disaster. There is no way I am not voting for Biden.

Eeyore · Mar 26, 2020

Euler007 said:
I was wondering how the left was going to shoot itself in the foot this time. The left candidate is too far to the right, let's get the far right elected instead.

This is about as accurate as Trump has been about COVID-19.

Shoeless · Mar 26, 2020

jon bones said:
yeah, we're getting 4 more years of trump

It kind of seems like a given now.

AcademicSaucer · Mar 26, 2020

Vote for this rapist 2020

Any chance for a third party?

Blue Skies · Mar 26, 2020

Rayne said:
True but insulting people is hardly the way to get them to do what you want.

And letting donal trump win is hardly the way to get what we want long term.

OnionPowder · Mar 26, 2020

Blue Skies said:
Sexist/racist voters cost us that election, not non voters.

So then it isn't an issue. You'll get your preferred nominee on the ballot, just remind everybody about how the other guy raped more, probably, in November and you've got it in the bag!!!

Empyrean Cocytus · Mar 26, 2020

Redeye97 said:
Given the likelyhood of Joe Biden winning the nomination, combined with the Rape allegations, there are many people who would rather not vote for Biden during the election. I totally understand why people would be uncomfortable with him, but I'm urging people who decide to sit out the presidential race to please at least participate in the House, Senate, and Governor races.

If Trump ends up winning a second term, the only thing left to check his power will be the House of Representatives, the Senate, and states and municipalities that step up to protect their citizens against Trump's policies. Currently all we can do is block whatever is attempted to pass through the Senate, but we have little recourse for checking his Judicial nominations, or his executive powers. If we lose any seats in the house, and if we fail to take back a majority in the Senate, Trump will be virtually unchecked during his second term.

If you feel the presidency is already a lost cause, then please for the love of God, vote in your House, Senate, Governor, and local races. We can at the very least limit the damage that the Trump administration may inflict on the country.

The senate shall decide our fate. (and the other elections as well)

Here's the problem with that. If we don't vote for Biden, Trump wins. And if that happens, we're getting a serial rapist rather than a guy who did it once or twice.

I know, lesser of two evils, but in this area, we don't have a fucking choice. No vote is basically a vote for Trump at this point.

hydruxo · Mar 26, 2020

Imagine not voting in the presidential election. It's so fucking important. I don't care if you don't like Biden, I don't like him either, vote for him over Trump's bitch ass. We can't afford to have Trump in office for another four years.

smileyforall220 · Mar 26, 2020

Once you've been on this earth for awhile you realize it's all about pragmatics and going for the choice that will hurt the least. Voting Biden versus not voting at all if you are a democrat is the pragmatic choice, even with his past.

Deleted member 2317 · Mar 26, 2020

Not voting, to own the Repubs.

Blue Skies · Mar 26, 2020

OnionPowder said:
So then it isn't an issue. You'll get your preferred nominee on the ballot, just remind everybody about how the other guy raped more, probably, in November and you've got it in the bag!!!

My preferred nominee, this late into the primary, is who the voters of the party prefer. I think this allegation came out too late and in the middle of a fucking pandemic in which everyone just assumes that it's gonna be Biden v Trump, so it won't do much harm and I'll assume anyone who's bringing up the rape around November is acting pro trump.
really no reason to do the work of the other guys for them.

Rayne · Mar 26, 2020

Blue Skies said:
And letting donal trump win is hardly the way to get what we want long term.

As you said the ones who put him in there were his voters.

That said DT has as much chance as winning NY as I do winning the Powerball so my vote for pres doesn't matter. If you live in a swing state voting Biden is the more pragmatic choice but for those of us that don't? I don't see the issue with skipping him and voting down ticket.

Blue Skies · Mar 26, 2020

Rayne said:
As you said the ones who put him in there were his voters.

That said DT has as much chance as winning NY as I do winning the Powerball so my vote for pres doesn't matter. If you live in a swing state voting Biden is the more pragmatic choice but for those of us that don't? I don't see the issue with skipping him and voting down ticket.

Ok do that, but please don't actively pollute the conversation online.
If you ever find yourself on the side of trumpism and magats around October, just stay quiet instead. Be a neutron not an electron.

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