Novel coronavirus (COVID-19) resources and discussion thread (Discussion guidelines in OP)

Mortemis

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Oct 25, 2017
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Was hearing about how crazy packed Costco’s in the Seattle area were. Went to my local grocery store and the place felt like a ghost town for a saturday. Only things that were missing were masks and hand sanitizers, but apparently those have been sold out for a while.
 

Chikor

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Oct 26, 2017
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I’m heading to Hawaii ina few weeks for a vacation. A lot more nervous than I probably should be. Haven’t heard much from there in a while, but that is relatively close to East Asia. Terrible luck haha
The distance doesn't really matter as much as the amount of people coming and going from high risk countries, and without looking, I got to believe Hawaii does not lead the US in that category.
 

Chikor

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Was hearing about how crazy packed Costco’s in the Seattle area were. Went to my local grocery store and the place felt like a ghost town for a saturday. Only things that were missing were masks and hand sanitizers, but apparently those have been sold out for a while.
Yeah, I had the same experience, regular supermarkets seems to be business as usual, costco is getting slammed.
I haven't seen hand sanitizers anywhere for a few weeks and I haven't seen masks in over a month.
 

DrewFu

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Leo

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Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna stock up on food just yet, there are only 2 confirmed cases in my country, both far away from where I live, seems like it would be a bit of an overreaction.

I'm gonna keep it in mind, though.
 

Kernel

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My wife is on methotrexate for an autoimmune disorder, not too happy of it spreading to North America.

I don't know if it's deadlier than normal flu but it's definitely one more thing to deal with.

She had a flu shot at least, no shots for coronavirus.
 

Calamari41

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Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna stock up on food just yet, there are only 2 confirmed cases in my country, both far away from where I live, seems like it would be a bit of an overreaction.

I'm gonna keep it in mind, though.
Keep in mind that by the time it becomes very apparent that you need to stock up, it will be very apparent to everyone else as well.
 

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Calamari41

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It was said during the corona virus press conference the government would investigate people who do this (US).
Hospitals and doctors buy them wholesale, right? Maybe the feds need to step in and just have the supply redirected away from grocery stores and towards hospitals and doctors offices. Maybe it's already happening.
 
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Chikor

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Oct 26, 2017
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What's the latest news coming out of Wuhan? What's life like there?
I have friends there. They mainly just stayed in the house for last 6 weeks.
They're getting a slight case of cabin fever as you might imagine.

Other than that the city is pretty empty, most businesses are still closed and so is public transportation, but some stores and supermarkets are open.
 

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Nov 21, 2017
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You gotta differate between virus and the the epidemic. You are far more likely to get infected by influenza than Covid. Far far more likely. But from what we know, Covid is a tougher bastard and sticks around longer. People with influenza far quicker stay home, people with Covid won't. And it survives more conditions.

Aka if the extremely unlikely case happens and you bumped into a carrier, you are more likely infected. On the other hand you are far far more likely exposed to influenza, but the infection is less likely deadly. The chances are still very low that you will die, most likely even lower than what we fear.
I know that currently people are more likely to get influenza as there is a lot more of it out there. What I'm asking is (not just you but the era collective) - is there some measurement/data for how infectious one virus is versus another given the same vectors/conditions of exposure to the virus. For example, if exposed to someone coughing - which one are we likely to get? If we are exposed to the same surface and touch it and then touch our eyes (or whatever), which are we more likely to get? Basically how infectious are they relative to each other. While establishing mortality data for covid-19 still seems to be variable (with a bunch of unknowns) and current estimates ranging from .2% to like 3% we at least have a wide but acknowledged range.

But do we have any way of knowing if this is/is not way more infectious than influenza? It is one thing to have relative mortality rates for those infected but it is quite another if way more/less people will get infected. For example again, if somehow covid-19 is super easily transmitted and is persistent (like can live for many days on a door knob or whatever) on affected surfaces we could see infection rates far in excess of influenza. Even if relative mortality rates are similar the impact difference between a virus that is acquired by 6% (the flue) of the population is massively different than one that is acquired by 50% of the population.
 

wafflebrain

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Firefighters (first responders) that were at the Lifecare Center in Kirkland, WA during the past week are currently under quarantine:

 

SushiX

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I know that currently people are more likely to get influenza as there is a lot more of it out there. What I'm asking is (not just you but the era collective) - is there some measurement/data for how infectious one virus is versus another given the same vectors/conditions of exposure to the virus. For example, if exposed to someone coughing - which one are we likely to get? If we are exposed to the same surface and touch it and then touch our eyes (or whatever), which are we more likely to get? Basically how infectious are they relative to each other. While establishing mortality data for covid-19 still seems to be variable (with a bunch of unknowns) and current estimates ranging from .2% to like 3% we at least have a wide but acknowledged range.

But do we have any way of knowing if this is/is not way more infectious than influenza? It is one thing to have relative mortality rates for those infected but it is quite another if way more/less people will get infected. For example again, if somehow covid-19 is super easily transmitted and is persistent (like can live for many days on a door knob or whatever) on affected surfaces we could see infection rates far in excess of influenza. Even if relative mortality rates are similar the impact difference between a virus that is acquired by 6% (the flue) of the population is massively different than one that is acquired by 50% of the population.
Here is one measure:

Cov-2 has an R0 of 2 - 3. Seasonal influenza is 1 - 1.5.
 

Muu

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Yeah, I had the same experience, regular supermarkets seems to be business as usual, costco is getting slammed.
I haven't seen hand sanitizers anywhere for a few weeks and I haven't seen masks in over a month.
Was gonna pick some up since we have a newborn so that handwashing is easier for our oldest. Apparently grocery store had 8 cases of them come in today and immediately sold out.
 
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Isn't keeping you from touching your mouth and nose still valuable, though?
Sure, but that's only one factor. Can still be coughed on, sneezed on. That's why it's equally as important for people who are sick, even minimally, to wear them. You can control yourself, but you can't control other people who have problems with disease hygiene.
 

devSin

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Oct 27, 2017
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Isn't keeping you from touching your mouth and nose still valuable, though?
Not if it makes you complacent.

A mask is just one component of an overall strategy to minimize risk. But I think most people will slap on a mask and think they're safe, potentially putting them at greater risk of infection.
 

fragamemnon

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Nov 30, 2017
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I was out shopping today in the Bellevue, WA area (where those Costco pics were taken) and it was pretty quiet in the normal stores. Costco is a madhouse every weekend but this just makes it crazier.

Everyone is pretty much ready to get the email from their employer instituting a blanket "work from home for all who want it" policy just to get ahead of the situation. A lot of us work with people in China, especially Shanghai where the situation hasn't been so bad, and many of them have been basically confined to home except for supplies since Lunar New Year. That's what everyone is preparing for-prolonged isolation as a measure to prevent overwhelming the medical system here.
 

Calamari41

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One positive in the recent sea of negativity is that we haven't been seeing any stories about hospitals being hit with waves of mysterious viral pneumonia cases/deaths like Wuhan was seeing before the shit hit the fan. It says to me that it's possible that we're early enough here in the US to where the recent ramp up in federal attention could still help mitigate a lot of damage.
 

DrewFu

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One positive in the recent sea of negativity is that we haven't been seeing any stories about hospitals being hit with waves of mysterious viral pneumonia cases/deaths like Wuhan was seeing before the shit hit the fan. It says to me that it's possible that we're early enough here in the US to where the recent ramp up in federal attention could still help mitigate a lot of damage.
I hope you're right
 

Ether_Snake

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Oct 29, 2017
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I repeat this cause people rarely mention these tips:

1- Your nose is a spaceport for the virus if not dry; it will try to cause you to sneeze to spread to other hosts. Keep your nose dry. If you live in a cold country, breathing will cause condensation in your nose. As soon as you get inside, go wipe the inside of your nose with toilet paper or tissue paper to get the moisture out, wash your face a bit, then wash your hands. Do NOT blow your nose! You’ll spread germs. Just wipe the inside of your nostrils.

2- Your ears are an infection pathway! Never put your fingers in your ears and don’t let water in! When you take a shower you must use earplugs and if you don’t have any use toilet paper or tissue paper. If you get some water in, lean your head sideways to get it out, but don’t touch the inside of your ears and don’t use q-tips either!

3- If you take a shower, keep water out of your mouth/throat! The speed pf the spray can cause water to stuck in the back of your throat, which can favor infection just like your nose being moist. It’s not uncommon to catch a cold soon after accidentally getting a spray of water in the back of your throat.

4- Stay warm, the immune system is weaker when it’s cold to save energy since pathogens are usually less active in the cold, but we live in a world where the temperature can fluctuate wildly due to modernization, our immune system doesn’t necessarily adjust itself that quickly.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I repeat this cause people rarely mention these tips:

1- Your nose is a spaceport for the virus if not dry; it will try to cause you to sneeze to spread to other hosts. Keep your nose dry. If you live in a cold country, breathing will cause condensation in your nose. As soon as you get inside, go wipe the inside of your nose with toilet paper or tissue paper to get the moisture out, wash your face a bit, then wash your hands. Do NOT blow your nose! You’ll spread germs. Just wipe the inside of your nostrils.

2- Your ears are an infection pathway! Never put your fingers in your ears and don’t let water in! When you take a shower you must use earplugs and if you don’t have any use toilet paper or tissue paper. If you get some water in, lean your head sideways to get it out, but don’t touch the inside of your ears and don’t use q-tips either!

3- If you take a shower, keep water out of your mouth/throat! The speed pf the spray can cause water to stuck in the back of your throat, which can favor infection just like your nose being moist. It’s not uncommon to catch a cold soon after accidentally getting a spray of water in the back of your throat.

4- Stay warm, the immune system is weaker when it’s cold to save energy since pathogens are usually less active in the cold, but we live in a world where the temperature can fluctuate wildly due to modernization, our immune system doesn’t necessarily adjust itself that quickly.
So I can't pick my nose, use qtips or drink my shower water. Life won't be worth living.