The curve of mortality rate has been flattening on Worldometers. Means the number of recoveries is starting to rise faster than the number of dead.
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Giving an update from yesterday.
Went into work this morning. I get a call about an issue so I walk out to the shop to assist.
Guess who is there to speak to me?...
Not very happy right now.
You are basing that off one tweet? Aren't there a few studies floating around showing that while it's not a magic bullet it helps?
Not sure if everyone here has seen this already, a high school friend of mine is a nurse and posted this from a doctor she works with on her FB:
Day 10 multi organ failure scared the fuck outta me. That and bilat pneumonia showing up in asymptomatic patient after an X-ray for his shoulder.
Day 10 multi organ failure scared the fuck outta me. That and bilat pneumonia showing up in asymptomatic patient after an X-ray for his shoulder.
Very good news out of my university. This solution is ideal for testing large groups of people with a low probability of infection.
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Pool testing of SARS-CoV-02 samples increases worldwide test capacities many times over | Aktuelles aus der Goethe-Universität Frankfurt
Researchers at the German Red Cross Blood Donor Service in Frankfurt headed by Professor Erhard Seifried, and the Institute for Medical Virology at the University Hospital Frankfurt at Goethe University […]
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It is like EVALI
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I live in a tourist town in the US and it feels like a post apocalyptic wasteland right now. Streets are empty, stores are closed, only reason I'm even on the road is I'm providing IT support to Police and Fire for the City. I honestly don't see a path to economic recovery for a lot of these people and businesses. And we still have hurricane season to look forward to. Unbelievable times we are in right now.
I did a check-in with some of my students, asking how they were feeling and what they were thinking about. So many of them were wondering when they would announce how Spring sports were going to work and I've realized that these kids don't understand how long this is going to go on for...
We should (hopefully) be fully prepared for the second wave. Testing, isolation, shelter-in-place, available beds, respirators, etc.
That above quote from the ER Dr had a stat that something around 86% of people on ventilators die?? The last number I saw was something around 50% and THAT scared the hell out of me. 86% is insane. Is there any other data on this? Maybe at this rate it's better not knowing...
Yeah, but you can't just assume that and pretend people will be immune. We still don't know what kind of immunity we're dealing with, you can't just let people out based on no actual evidence.
I am basing it off of the use noted here and assumed use elsewhere. If this was the miracle it was touted as, Trump would have let us know about his innate, unmatched medical abilities. Maybe it does have a marginal benefit but it would seem, thus far, it's not performing as the "game changer" is was touted as being.
Intubation, especially with older patients, is devestating so I assume it is used as a last resort measure.
I remember back when I developed fever and back pain three weeks ago that I read the average progress of the disease on the WHO site. It went something like this
Day 1 lower back pain and mild fever. - Yep.
Day 3 slightly higher fever, fatigue and dry cough - Yeah that's where I'm at now.
Day 6 mild symptoms
Day 8 death - WTF
But this is shocking to me, damn:
Makes you wonder if the rapid dash for more ventilators even is very meaningful.
Edit: makes sense that this is the number if you put everyone on ventilator yeah, theres a reason how here in the Netherlands most people 80 and up are strongly discouraged to go to the ICU (or even denied).
Yeah, fuck those 14% of people, that's not worth wasting our time on. And I agree, anyone over 80 we shouldn't even bother trying to save, they've lived enough
I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that you don't mean the bolded quote in the way it appears.
I say this because under no circumstances is saving 14% not worth it.
If you didn't have more ventilators because it wasn't very meaningful it's absolutely possible that those 14% may have died too.
Never heard of this guy.
Why do people take twitter posts from some random professor guy so seriously here?
Does he work in politics? Is he advising our government? Did the government tell him something we don't know? This is not official policy, who are "they" anyway ffs
Sometimes I feel social media is the bigger blight than the virus itself.
That 86% is extracted from a Chinese paper.
From this article, it seems that for other countries it may be different:
Mortality rate of COVID-19 patients on ventilators - Physician's Weekly
Written by Physician's Weekly Blogger, Skeptical Scalpel Although at the time I wrote this over 33,000 people had died from COVID 19 infections worldwide, the numbers of patients dying in intensive care units and on mechanical ventilation is unknown. We have some early published data on...
www.physiciansweekly.com
Right, statistically if you are intubated above the age of 80, your likelihood of living isn't great and I'd imagine the 14% of people this doc is talking about are going to be younger patients. My wife intubates daily and even normal procedures, intubation for someone that old is super risky and even if they survive the procedure, the likelihood of meaningful recovery isn't the best which is why it's avoided as much as possible.
Speaking of ethics this is a good article that came up that's going around the medical field.
U.S. Civil Rights Office Rejects Rationing Medical Care Based on Disability, Age (Published 2020)
Medical providers must not engage in “ruthless utilitarianism” in deciding who gets lifesaving treatment for the coronavirus, a federal civil rights officer warned.
That 86% is extracted from a Chine paper.
From this article, it seems that for other countries it may be different:
Mortality rate of COVID-19 patients on ventilators - Physician's Weekly
Written by Physician's Weekly Blogger, Skeptical Scalpel Although at the time I wrote this over 33,000 people had died from COVID 19 infections worldwide, the numbers of patients dying in intensive care units and on mechanical ventilation is unknown. We have some early published data on...
It most likely is inflated but apparently most people who go on a ventilator end up dying, especially the elderly. The longer you need it the higher the risk of death becomes.
Edit - Added extra info about the elderly.
Right, statistically if you are intubated above the age of 80, your likelihood of living isn't great and I'd imagine the 14% of people this doc is talking about are going to be younger patients. My wife intubates daily and even normal procedures, intubation for someone that old is super risky and even if they survive the procedure, the likelihood of meaningful recovery isn't the best which is why it's avoided as much as possible.
Speaking of ethnics and such this is a good article that came up that's going around the medical field.
U.S. Civil Rights Office Rejects Rationing Medical Care Based on Disability, Age (Published 2020)
Medical providers must not engage in “ruthless utilitarianism” in deciding who gets lifesaving treatment for the coronavirus, a federal civil rights officer warned.www.nytimes.com
Thanks.
Just spoke with my wife and she told me basically the same exact thing. She's a nurse.
It makes sense given how physically traumatic it is for a patient to be placed on a ventilator. It's a last resort for when you've exhausted every other avenue for treatment; mechanical ventilation itself can kill you irrespective of whatever else is going on that got you there.
Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear — Bloomberg
Hospitals are threatening to fire health-care workers who publicize their working conditions during the coronavirus pandemic -- and have in some cases followed through.
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The employees arent "hording" anything. The managers let them purchase their own necessities before anyone else as a privilege of working for the store. And it's necessary to have limits on items so people can stop overbuying.
They're not taking things out of peoples carts unless they're overbuying the limit.
Why does grandma need three 24 packs of TP?
yup basically the cure is just supporting the body until it can fight off the infection and that sometimes your lung capacity is damaged is frightening
the virus damages the lungs and can take a while for them to repair, and that's on a younger person that recovers. For an older person on a vent for 2 weeks they most likely don't have the capacity to fully recover.
Catching a replay of things on YouTube.. They had the My Pillow guy speak? Dumpster fire continues.
Sky News Breaking on Twitter
“NHS England says the number of people in England who have died after testing positive for COVID-19 has risen by 367 to a total of 1,651”
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367 new deaths in England over past 24 hours (including other countries that make up the UK is likely a higher total)
Racism.
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Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear — Bloomberg
Hospitals are threatening to fire health-care workers who publicize their working conditions during the coronavirus pandemic -- and have in some cases followed through.
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I don't believe a word. Hospitals firing doctors during this pandemic? The local media would rip them a new one.
Hong Kong - Pet cat tests positive for COVID-19 virus
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I don't know how much formal data we have but we've been seeing anecdotal reports like that from front-line medical professionals for months. The rapidity of transitioning between moderate but manageable symptoms to crashing/interstitial pneumonia with catastrophic organ consequences has been a consistent part of those anecdotes. All we can really do with that information is make mental notes about potential things to look for with our loved ones and do what we're already doing in staying home.
Shite. Dogs and Cats now? If legit, does that mean it can extend to rats or birds?
Oh, that's a pretty big jump....Sky News Breaking on Twitter
“NHS England says the number of people in England who have died after testing positive for COVID-19 has risen by 367 to a total of 1,651”
367 new deaths in England over past 24 hours (including other countries that make up the UK is likely a higher total)
Firing doctors on a pandemic crisis sounds like a very very bad strategic move.*sigh*
Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear — Bloomberg
Hospitals are threatening to fire health-care workers who publicize their working conditions during the coronavirus pandemic -- and have in some cases followed through.
So of course it could be real.
Awful numbers, but it does look like the lockdown is finally improving things in Lombardy.
It's been mostly answered by now, but I would hazard a guess the statistics are such that at 86% mortality it's even more grim for elderly patients. As said in my country most people die outside of the ICU because in consultation with their physician they weren't brought into the ICU. I was pretty vocally against that, but with these numbers it seems to make sense, given that a) theres only so much doctors capacity (this is a harder limit than the ventilators) b) dying on the IC is horrible, protracted, and you die without your loved ones being allowed near you.
Can someone clarify: Even after a cough or sneeze this virus can aerosolize up to 3 hours.
That seems far worse than what I was seeing being told..