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Now Obama warns Democrats to avoid moving too far left

SaintBowWow

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It's weird to say that America isn't interested in extremist candidates in a world where Donald Trump got elected. To me his rise showed that if anything Americans are sick of moderate, polished, focus tested candidates for better or worse. Most people aren't policy wonks and the election really is a popularity contest for a not insignificant portion of the electorate. I think these days people respond to candidates who seem more genuine and are focusing on big ideas (regardless of how realistic they actually are).
 
Ionic

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I don't know if I'm mentally prepared to see Obama publicly endorse Biden if Warren or heaven forbid Sanders begins to pull ahead of him.
 
Afrikan

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SneakersSO said:
One of the biggest things I didn't like about Obama's presidency was how absolutely moderate he was. He played it far too safe, especially in the face of just how much the GOP would wind up becoming an impediment.
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I'd still rather have Obama over other "moderates".

BUT Obama is still a politician first and foremost. So I'm not going to take his words as gospel when he has Biden on the ticket.

Also Bernie wouldn't have drank that water.
 

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I saw this trending yesterday and the usual Sanders people sticking their heads in the sand by only reading the headline and not what he actually said.
 
Ghos

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XenodudeX said:
How do you win a general election with a far left candidate in a center right country?

Tell me how right now.
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Officer Big Mac

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SneakersSO said:
One of the biggest things I didn't like about Obama's presidency was how absolutely moderate he was. He played it far too safe, especially in the face of just how much the GOP would wind up becoming an impediment.
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He used all his political capital getting the ACA through with a democratic congress. After that it was obstructionist Republicans in Congress so it's a moot point. Nothing less than moderate proposals would even get debated much less voted on.
 

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Obama: "Better things aren't possible"

FOH dude. You became president because of activism and providing hope for people, but once you got into office it was all "bipartisan this" and "pragmatic that." People saw the difference between Campaign Obama and President Obama.
 

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XenodudeX said:
How do you win a general election with a far left candidate in a center right country?

Tell me how right now.
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Well firstly, correct the perception that Warren or even Bernie are "far left," by continuing to emphasize that policies like affordable health insurance for everyone are bog-standard in the rest of the developed world, and work far better than the shit we currently have.
 
Effect

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Bio said:
If we don't elect someone who's willing to be "radical" enough to actually do something about climate change, we are all severely fucked.

Fuck this milquetoast "let's aim for minor improvements" shit he's preaching. The world is burning, and pacifist democratic centrism is a big reason why.
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You need to actually get elected first. That needs to be the actual damn focus. Or you get to do nothing. All the radical plans and talk means nothing if you in the end lose. My problem is to many are more concerned with feeling good about putting people on blast. I want to win first. Everything else is secondary.
 

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The right already think the left is too left, going left as best as possible can only bring about good change. The conservatives will bitch no matter what.
 
Kay

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lacer said:
"don't stray too far from the middle" says man who was stymied by his opposition for 6 years despite his centerist leanings
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I saw a great post once that was along the lines of:
To a republican, the perfect government is 100% controlled by Republicans
To a democrat, the perfect government is 50% controlled by democrats.
 

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Too far left? Are you fucking kidding me? What is too far left? Center center center left???? Of course you see libs in here agreeing with this.

Listen, there are no Anarchists or full blown Socialist running. Those saying he is "right" are not only ignorant, but bad faith actors.
 
Chrome Hyena

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Zombegoast said:
This is the same guy who's campaign slogan was "change"
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And after he watched as in his second term the entire democratic party was almost completely annihilated in local, state, and federal elections, I think he'd have some perception on the issue. But hey, what does he know! AOC was elected as was Omar and Talib! Surely that proves the democratic party is far more left-leaning than it seems.
 
Audioboxer

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Americans thinking any of their candidates are "far-left".

What a mess your country is in when it comes to the capability to call something what it actually is.

Obama is talking shit. Your country will continue to be a dumpster fire when it comes to things like healthcare if you keep voting for centrists or Democrats who might as well be Conservatives.
 
Vincent Alexander

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Yep. He is right. He isn't saying "swim in the middle."

Chrome Hyena said:
And after he watched as in his second term the entire democratic party was almost completely annihilated in local, state, and federal elections, I think he'd have some perception on the issue. But hey, what does he know! AOC was elected as was Omar and Talib! Surely that proves the democratic party is far more left-leaning than it seems.
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Agreed
 

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Effect said:
You need to actually get elected first. That needs to be the actual damn focus. Or you get to do nothing. All the radical plans and talk means nothing if you in the end lose. My problem is to many are more concerned with feeling good about putting people on blast. I want to win first. Everything else is secondary.
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The issue that once Dems get into power, they don't use it effectively. Also, this is assuming that being moderate means that Dems will win seats which is a helluva assumption.
 
Brinbe

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that's always been obama. he's more warren, not bernie or aoc

dude governed as a damn eisenhower republican lol
 
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Audioboxer said:
Americans thinking any of their candidates are "far-left".

What a mess your country is in when it comes to the capability to call something what it actually is.

Obama is talking shit. Your country will continue to be a dumpster fire when it comes to things like healthcare if you keep voting for centrists or Democrats who might as well be Conservatives.
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Audioboxer on point as usual.
 
BrucCLea13k87

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He's warning that a far left candidate won't win a centrist country. History has shown he's right. We Millennials don't vote. We did in 2018, big whoop.
 
Chrome Hyena

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Liberals need to get with the program quickly. Sure AMERICA as a whole may be more liberal than let on. But the people who vote most definitely are not. The bottom line is not enough people vote. Get more people voting, and yeah the country will certainly tilt liberal, at least the House, the Senate is an entirely different beast, and won't change anytime soon unless more places are made states.
 
ThisThingIsUseful

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Officer Big Mac said:
He used all his political capital getting the ACA through with a democratic congress. After that it was obstructionist Republicans in Congress so it's a moot point. Nothing less than moderate proposals would even get debated much less voted on.
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Not really true, and we know that Republicans were ready to obstruct -- and did -- before he got into office.

He also walked back his public option support -- calling it a "sliver" after giving it praise -- to get Republican support and received one GOP House vote from a guy in a blue district. It went from being a sliver to now being the main "centrist" answer from Biden. Democrats start from the center or center-right and compromise from there.
 

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At some point you learn it doesn't matter. They'll promise the world and deliver nothing so might as well keep people optimistic, engaged and angry (but not too angry). Alternatively you can promise a moderate change, deliver nothing and then people become real dispassionate.
 
Ionic

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Helio said:
The issue that once Dems get into power, they don't use it effectively. Also, this is assuming that being moderate means that Dems will win seats which is a helluva assumption.
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People in here saying Obama is right about this because being too far left will cause you to lose seats and power when Obama spent his entire career being moderate and the dems still lost tons of seats. How about for shits and giggles we try a progressive president just once instead of rolling the dice on the same strategy again.
 

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BrucCLea13k87 said:
He's warning that a far left candidate won't win a centrist country. History has shown he's right. We Millennials don't vote. We did in 2018, big whoop.
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Uh. Yeah. That is a big deal. It indicates the start of a change in young voters. They see the writing on the wall. Shit is getting rough out there for many people, so they want to get more involved in the political process.
 
lacer

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also his verbiage about most americans not wanting a 'revolution' is kinda funny given that only like a third of americans supported the actual revolutionary war lol
 
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base_two said:
Yeah, but the alternative (going too far left) will pretty much ensure massive losses state and federal wide. ERA (and the progressive left) may not want to hear it, but he's right.
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People said the same about Trump and the GOP in the 2016. "trump will never get elected" etc etc. The presidential elections in the US seem to be less about policy at this point, and more about tribal warfare
 
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Rushersauce said:
Too far left? Are you fucking kidding me? What is too far left? Center center center left???? Of course you see libs in here agreeing with this.

Listen, there are no Anarchists or full blown Socialist running. Those saying he is "right" are not only ignorant, but bad faith actors.
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Too far left is anything that is pro working class.

Dude was spewing this centrist garbage in front of rich people.
 
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There is nothing necessarily wrong with incremental change, provided it's incrementing towards somewhere continuously.
 
Dream Machine

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Totally boomer "fuck you, got mine" energy, lol

"I can campaign on hope and big systematic change to get elected, but I didn't actually DO it. Settle down kids, that phase is over."
 
Regulus Tera

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I dunno man, Obama surely got dividends from moving to the centre, what with... being unable to appoint Garland to SCOTUS and the constant to government shutdowns.
 
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The 2016 presidential frontrunners were:
  • A crotchety old racist who brags about sexual assault and formerly played a billionaire on TV
  • A woman who stood by her husband when he was accused of rape, both of whom have a tenuous relationship with LGBT rights
  • Socialist Jesus
Guess who won? Guess who came in second?

Obama's right. Y'all aren't ready.
 
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