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NPD analyst Mat Piscatella “US Hardware install base 71 months in 1) Wii 2) PS2 3) PS4 4) Xbox 360 5) Xbox One 6) PS1 7) PS3 (Updated)
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Is it though? US is it by far Xboxs strongest market and can compete with anyone it's even quite close with the PS4 which has sold more than double Worldwide and the Nintendo consoles in this comparison did pretty bad all things considered. In the timeframe 95-> about it competes with: N64 -> GC -> Wii -> Wii U and it handily beat all three it should beat.
Worldwide the Xbox One wont beat the NES, Switch, Wii and perhaps the SNES.
i'm assuming we are 71 months in from ps4/xbox one release? sounds about right. almost 6 years.
well if it's only US then it is understandable, US, Mexico and UK carried the Xbone hard this gen.
I read somewhere on this site they are only behind PlayStation (in the US) by 4 million.
it was the Shawn Layden thread, someone was mad PS only had a 4 million lead here.
I wouldn't call a loss of several billion dollars "pretty well". I agree with the rest you said though.
I remember the life of the Wii in it's last year. Contrasting from 2010, which was and still is one of my favorite years for any system, Wii had a sharp drop off. 2011 and 2012, for that matter, were *desolate*. Even from a first-party perspective, support completely dried up outside of the Project Rainfall games.
The above show the Wii ahead late 2012.
Sony dominates Europe.
Xbox One is far behind the Xbox 360 in sales.
Also, it from Jan 1995 to Sept 2019. That information should be in the IP. Mat is being disingenuous with the title of that tweet.
Yes, that is part of my point. I was highlighting the drop off from the previous Gen consoles {360, PS3, Wii} to the Current Gen (71 month old consoles) {PS4, Xbox One} and essentially wondering where the console purchasing consumers ran off to.
The Xbox 360 buyers went partially to the PlayStation 4, as that one has surpassed its predecessor already. Wii audience is not measured as the Switch isn't 71 months old.
1) People ignore this part of the equation or
2) Agree that the Wii reached a demographic of consumers that current consoles cannot access.
Hmm... Either console sales are becoming somewhat less important, or Sony (and Microsoft especially) needs a way to sell more consoles.
More exclusives; price drops?
I agree. Switch is in the mix, but not sure how much it overlaps with the Wii demographic.
More exclusives; price drops?
I agree. Switch is in the mix, but not sure how much it overlaps with the Wii demographic.
Are you in the US? I don't think the xbox one is that far behind the PS4 in the US.
US only? It's the largest and most important market strategically. X1 is doing ok in UK too, not horrible, which i believe is the largest console market in EU.
Yeah ... thats not really how it works.
From the looks of it there's a multiple of the tens of millions of lost consumers this generation. Some of that is just the expanded Wii demographic that wasn't retained by any of the current entries. But even when ignoring that loss the placements between the 360 & PS4 and the PS3 & Xbox One shows lost consumers as well.
Without exact numbers for the US it is a bit more difficult, but globally PlayStation 4 and Xbox One is at 150 million while the previous is at 170 million. That means only 20 million more PS4s and Xbox Ones before the end of the generation.
Now there is also the 100+ million Wii users. The bulk of those have not been recaptured.
Are you trying to imply that people left the US and are now part of the OUS sales?
There's obviously gaps from the Wii sales (probably due to poor retention), but there's also gaps when just using previous PS & XB brands to the current PS & XB brands.
So where the hell did they go?
Ok but...the source here works at THE tracking company for US sales, so if he's wrong, I'd love to see a source for the numbers you quoted. I searched the internet and couldn't find them. The best I found was "Americas" for broken down by time period, but that's also not "The US." Not just being lazy here, I tried before I quoted you.
It is the Wii indeed that expanded the public and that expansion went away. If you look at the PlayStation 2 generation, you have a total of about 200 million consoles. That should be surpassed this generation. Honestly, the real loss is in the handheld space where you go from 220 million handhelds to about 80 million.
No, I'm saying that globally the reach of these two consoles will remain unchanged, and that there are no US numbers to do the real comparison.
Exactly. The Don Mattrick (TV) episode made 'core' gamers move over to PS4 within weeks (dat mindshare), but other people seem to have left console gaming at least.
Probably nearly impossible to tell if the unique player count in the PC market has increased. Otherwise, they could have moved to mobile.
But assuming that they didn't move to the PC or mobile markets, there's untapped potential there again...
GAF has all the threads for NPD sales for that period of time.
This looks more like a simple LTD chart, or it is a mistake.
Not sure if mentioned but it looks like the original tweet is phrased extremely poorly.
Whilst the original tweet implies it's comparing all consoles in their first 71 months. It's actually comparing 71 months of PS4/XB1 sales to total lifetime sales for all the other consoles.
Wii was significantly higher than 360 after 71 months, but 360 surpassed Wii at the end.
The PS4 surpassed PS1's total after 71 months already, but is still behind PS1's lifetime sales total.
Maybe this post can be added to the OP to clear everything up.
Whilst the original tweet implies it's comparing all consoles in their first 71 months. It's actually comparing 71 months of PS4/XB1 sales to total lifetime sales for all the other consoles.
Wii was significantly higher than 360 after 71 months, but 360 surpassed Wii at the end.
The PS4 surpassed PS1's total after 71 months already, but is still behind PS1's lifetime sales total.
Maybe this post can be added to the OP to clear everything up.
ahh, well that changes all sorts of things. So it's just a NPD LTD comparison (with the current Gen products LTD being 71 Months of sales)
I read in the Sony Q reports that XBOX's sales for this year was 1.2 million.
In fact let me quote it for context.
Not worldwide what? PS3 outselling the 360? Pretty sure it did by a few million.
It's a completely bizarre tweet from almost every perspective.
It's flat out wrong if you're actually trying to compare 71-month figures, because we know from previously public NPD information the Wii was significantly ahead of the 360 when you compare them each at 71 months.
360 sold like hotcakes in the US.
As an older, not so cocky and overzealous Sony fanboy I saw it as #2 forgetting that I bought one myself before I purchased a PS3. So, yeah...
The $600 PS3 pricetag shockwave really opened up some doors for MS in that gen
As an older, not so cocky and overzealous Sony fanboy I saw it as #2 forgetting that I bought one myself before I purchased a PS3. So, yeah...
The $600 PS3 pricetag shockwave really opened up some doors for MS in that gen
Wait, WHAT
Thanks! I was confused reading these posts and going back to vgsaleswiki and seeing differently than what most people are posting and what Mat published.
There's like 4 different dissections of the data going on here
When you look at these numbers you start to understand why Microsoft made some of the (dumb) decisions at the start of this Gen. They dominated most of last Gen being popular mostly in just western countries. 360 proves where the west goes most other markets will follow.
Does it? I'm not even fanboying when I say the PS3 was a terrible system from Sony in nearly every regard.
terrible OS with constant updates that took forever.
Game installs and patches took forever.
Worse 3rd party games
Worse online platform for most of that gen
It was only redeemed by some of Sony's 1st party efforts.
It really didn't. Ports were pretty terrible.
Yea, this.
Now I'm interested in the actually rankings if they did use the 71st month totals for a list
When you look at a small fraction of the overall picture sure. But when look at the entirety of everything, not really.
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