NPD April 2018: God of War #1 software, PS4 tops hardware charts

Thorrgal · May 28, 2018

Primethius said:
Interesting tidbit from Shinobi:

The Order 1886 was profitable.

Happy for Ready at Dawn.

Launching at the start of a generation has pros and cons. The install base is really low, but people are starving for games.

Also it makes marketing stick more, making the game to be rememberd all along the gen, so people ends up buying those games on a sale later on.

v_iHuGi · May 28, 2018

Kaveri said:
Do we have any indications on how State of Decay 2, Detroit or Dark Souls Remastered performed? It is obviously still early but I'm really hoping all three did well.

No we have not.

Deleted member 4976 · May 28, 2018

Bioshocker said:
Actually a bit surprising. Do we have an estimate of how it did?

From memory, something like 200k in the NPD.

John Bender · May 28, 2018

Y2Kev said:
Well the Order went on to sell like six bazillion copies and is considered a treasure by many so that makes sense. It also has a 63 on Metacritic, but as you know all games that start with the word The and then the first letter of the next word is O get 30 points added to the Metascore (it is in the French constitution).

And The Order 1886 sold really well in the UK.

slavesnyder · May 28, 2018

Y2Kev said:
Well the Order went on to sell like six bazillion copies and is considered a treasure by many so that makes sense. It also has a 63 on Metacritic, but as you know all games that start with the word The and then the first letter of the next word is O get 30 points added to the Metascore (it is in the French constitution).

that's just a the-O-ry

bane833 · May 28, 2018

Primethius said:
Interesting tidbit from Shinobi:

The Order 1886 was profitable.

Where is the sequel then? The IP definitely had potential.

OfficerRaichu15 · May 28, 2018

So we have an idea on how DKTF did?

ethomaz · May 28, 2018

bane833 said:
Where is the sequel then? The IP definitely had potential.

You mean where is the other half of the game?

I strong believe the game was halted at half and launched in that state due dev budget and that is why there is no sequel.

Deleted member 22585 · May 28, 2018

bane833 said:
Where is the sequel then? The IP definitely had potential.

I would love to have a sequel. But its not going to happen. Too much negativity around that IP.

Y2Kev · May 28, 2018

They should rebrand it. The Reorder.

inpHilltr8r · May 28, 2018

The Order 1885 - The Preorder

cakely · May 28, 2018

ethomaz said:
You mean where is the other half of the game?

Yeah, unfortunately, this. It was Squandered Potential: The Game.

OG_Thrills · May 28, 2018

Primethius said:
Interesting tidbit from Shinobi:

The Order 1886 was profitable.

Bioshocker · May 28, 2018

Primethius said:
From memory, something like 200k in the NPD.

That rings a bell.

OG_Thrills · May 28, 2018

Primethius said:
From memory, something like 200k in the NPD.

I think it was closer to 230K but I know it registered here in the UK and the rest of Europe. The naysayers drowned out the game aided by the poor meta score. This news gives me hope that it'll get a sequel. the lore is simply too rich and inviting.

Nirolak · May 28, 2018

bane833 said:
Where is the sequel then? The IP definitely had potential.

People get confused about this a lot, but they're thinking about it the wrong way.

You don't greenlight a sequel based on whether the first game was profitable. You greenlight it based on whether you think the sequel will be profitable.

You also don't aim for breaking even or mild profits. If you're putting up tens or even hundreds of millions in an investment where you could lose it all, you want a major return to make the risk worthwhile. Otherwise, you just loan out the money or put it in the stock market and get a much larger and safer return.

Games continually cost more as time goes on, and The Order had a very poor reception, so unless Sony thought Ready At Dawn would deliver a vastly better game that could sell notably more, they wouldn't have greenlit a sequel.

dbcyber · May 28, 2018

I know it's anecdotal but I know 3 people who bought 1886 and don't frequent gaming forums, all bought the game week or day of release and have very negative impressions on 1886. It may have been a small profit because people bought it on the strength of first party but that will not be the case for the sequel I believe.

slavesnyder · May 28, 2018

Nirolak said:
People get confused about this a lot, but they're thinking about it the wrong way.

You don't greenlight a sequel based on whether the first game was profitable. You greenlight it based on whether you think the sequel will be profitable.

You also don't aim for breaking even or mild profits. If you're putting up tens or even hundreds of millions in an investment where you could lose it all, you want a major return to make the risk worthwhile. Otherwise, you just loan out the money or put it in the stock market and get a much larger and safer return.

Games continually cost more as time goes on, and The Order had a very poor reception, so unless Sony thought Ready At Dawn would deliver a vastly better game that could sell notably more, they wouldn't have greenlit a sequel.

not very romantic but true.
good reminder.

Canucked · May 28, 2018

I'd take a sequel to the order. I like a stupid werewolf game story.

5Twist · May 28, 2018

Best bet for Ready At Dawn is to keep the setting of The Order, but go with a different title and set of characters. They don't have to focus so much on optimizing their engine, so all that time can be put towards a more fleshed out story and deeper gameplay.

cw_sasuke · May 28, 2018

Nirolak said:
People get confused about this a lot, but they're thinking about it the wrong way.

You don't greenlight a sequel based on whether the first game was profitable. You greenlight it based on whether you think the sequel will be profitable.

You also don't aim for breaking even or mild profits. If you're putting up tens or even hundreds of millions in an investment where you could lose it all, you want a major return to make the risk worthwhile. Otherwise, you just loan out the money or put it in the stock market and get a much larger and safer return.

Games continually cost more as time goes on, and The Order had a very poor reception, so unless Sony thought Ready At Dawn would deliver a vastly better game that could sell notably more, they wouldn't have greenlit a sequel.

Pretty much this - no publisher wants to have +100 people work on a project for 3-4 years only to break even or be somewhat profitable a couple years in.
AAA gaming is a risk they are only willing to take if the result is a potential breakout hit or something that could help them sell more console/services or whatever is being pushed in that period.

John Harker · May 28, 2018

I shared years ago plans for both order and drive club were iced after poor launches and brand perception.

Though that was so long ago, no idea any more if anything has changed again. Those things happen. I just haven't heard anything on either brand in ages

dbcyber · May 28, 2018

Canucked said:
I'd take a sequel to the order. I like a stupid werewolf game story.

The game got werewolves so wrong though. Play Bloodborne or God of War for great werewolf fights.

Canucked · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
The game got werewolves so wrong though. Play Bloodborne or God of War for great werewolf fights.

I played them all. God of War's are such a non-issue, they're barely there. Fights are good though.

NLCPRESIDENT · May 28, 2018

PlayStation..

"Games so fucking good, there's no need to talk about em anymore. Instead, let's talk about the bad ones"- ResetEra

Lol, but for real.. I just want to be able to skip the cutscenes in The Order. If I could skip that long ass beginning, I'd play it again.

HotEars · May 28, 2018

Primethius said:
Interesting tidbit from Shinobi:

The Order 1886 was profitable.

Sony please.

So much potential.

Believe in second chances.

Betty · May 28, 2018

Canucked said:
I played them all. God of War's are such a non-issue, they're barely there. Fights are good though.

And still a hundred times better than whatever The Order was trying to do.

Everything about The Order 1886 sucked, let it go.

Cess007 · May 28, 2018

John Harker said:
I shared years ago plans for both order and drive club were iced after poor launches and brand perception.

Though that was so long ago, no idea any more if anything has changed again. Those things happen. I just haven't heard anything on either brand in ages

Shame, but understable. Driveclub is an excellent game but had severe launch issues, and The Order had a lot of potential, but was letdown by poor design choices and reception.

SinCityAssassin · May 28, 2018

Primethius said:
From memory, something like 200k in the NPD.

It placed above Monster Hunter 4U, which was 290k after digital was added (during the time NPD was unit based).

Canucked · May 28, 2018

I may be asking for a flaming, but: Knack is overrated swill. It's got a 54 metacritic. Maybe the sales lit the world on fire, maybe they didn't It still got a sequel.

The order isn't much better, but still better, and sales were fine, then I will keep hope.

dbcyber · May 28, 2018

Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

OrdinaryPrime · May 28, 2018

Canucked said:
I may be asking for a flaming, but: Knack is overrated swill. It's got a 54 metacritic. Maybe the sales lit the world on fire, maybe they didn't It still got a sequel.

The order isn't much better, but still better, and sales were fine, then I will keep hope.

I have to think the budgets of the two games are far different. Plus Knack is a family game, The Order was a single player cinematic narrative based game. Sony has plenty of the latter and not many of the former.

Saint-14 · May 28, 2018

Knack was Cerny's game, you give Cerny what he wants.

WhovianGamer · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

I think the relationship will continue, Their games add value to Sony's portfolio even if they don't make a lot of money. For example, their games appeal strongly to female gamers as well as male gamers. Having a diverse community is part of what makes PlayStation the biggest gaming brand worldwide. I can't imagine that Detroit won't break even. It'll probably make a tidy profit.

They are also fantastic at leveraging Sony's technology.

kadotsu · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

We have no sales data whatsoever. The faintest hint we have is some amazon rankings for May:
#1 https://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/2018-05/videogames/
#6 https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/2018-05/videogames/
#2 https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2018-05/videogames/

I think QD will at least get to make a new prototype for Sony.

Deleted member 4976 · May 28, 2018

SinCItyAssassin said:
It placed above Monster Hunter 4U, which was 290k after digital was added (during the time NPD was unit based).

Yea, but digital wasn't included in the charts back then. I remember seeing the 200-220k physical number floating around for TO back then.

Rowsdower · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

If Beyond: Two Souls didn't end their partnership, Detroit won't. I've seen much more positive general/critical impressions then with Beyond.

Gamer17 · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

80 of detorit will end their relation and 69 of beyond didn't ? What ? How does that make sense ?

What is it with any game scoring below 90 means it's bad ? It's in top 20% of ps4 games review wise .

N.Domixis · May 28, 2018

Until Ready at dawn prove they can make a good new ip sony should look elsewhere, maybe fromsoftware or platinum games.

Trafalgar Law · May 28, 2018

Primethius said:
Interesting tidbit from Shinobi:

The Order 1886 was profitable.

Anything else ??

ethomaz · May 28, 2018

Canucked said:
I may be asking for a flaming, but: Knack is overrated swill. It's got a 54 metacritic. Maybe the sales lit the world on fire, maybe they didn't It still got a sequel.

The order isn't much better, but still better, and sales were fine, then I will keep hope.

Knack is underrated.

It is a fun game that is nowhere bad like people here try to pass... of course it was flaws but it was a good experience.

Now in The Order case I was like why should somebody should pay to play this Demo with serious flaws.

Knack >>>> The Order.

ethomaz · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

The game was received better than people thought, no? It is way better than previous games and scored good by the critics.

Macca · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

Me and a lot of others think it's awesome and probably QD's best game yet.

cakely · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

"Tales from your ass" doesn't count as "not well received". We have no sales figures yet.

"Affect" is a verb, "effect" is a noun.

Deleted member 5727 · May 28, 2018

Saint-14 said:
Knack was Cerny's game, you give Cerny what he wants.

lmcfigs · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

79 from meta critic is a good score. It's a 4/5.

I think our perception of games scores are all out of whack.

Wagram · May 28, 2018

dbcyber said:
Do you folks think Detroit marks the end of the partnership with QD? The game hasn't been as well received as people thought, may also effect sales.

Quantic Dream is not a studio that one can judge based on opinions found in this or similar forums. Their titles continually sell well and have a fan base that likes them. People can rave all they want about how shit David Cage is but he has an audience. That audience is not found on forums like this.

Deleted member 43446 · May 28, 2018

John Harker said:
I shared years ago plans for both order and drive club were iced after poor launches and brand perception.

Though that was so long ago, no idea any more if anything has changed again. Those things happen. I just haven't heard anything on either brand in ages

The only thing I regret from the Driveclub fiasco is that Evolution Studios didn't survive long enough to make a new Motorstorm for this gen.

Deader2818 · May 28, 2018

Detroit seems to be selling very well from what I've seen locally.

The vocal minority is making it seem like the game is doing poor.

Gamer @ Heart · May 28, 2018

Sales Era historians, I have a question for you as a curious new Xbox one owner who's been through the exclusives this past month:

Just how bad did sunset over drive and quantum break do? I remember things being pretty dark at the time.

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