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NPD December 2020: CoD #1, Cyberpunk #2, AC Valhalla #3, Miles Morales #4 ; Switch #1 HW in units & revenue ; Yearly SW Charts
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Hmmm
Unfortunately, I don't think this is enough to definitively say that GOW2018 sold 20 million units; a lot could have changed in the years since the last time we got a tally for the series, up to and including changing the way they count things like compilations (similar to how Capcom counts the physical edition of Iceborne as two sales).
That's not to say that GOW didn't sell that much, of course, but it's impossible to be make definitive statements or comparisons without official numbers, which Sony hasn't been willing to share in a long, long time. The only point of comparison we have is that Dark Souls 3 charted at number 1 in its first month and number 10 in its second, and like you said before, it's not a meaningful comparison—both because March vs November is difficult, but also because the environments they initially sold in were very, very different
Still! Still, I think it's fair to say that Demon Souls isn't lighting the charts on fire, but without platform splits or any concrete numbers it's hard to say how it's doing compared to prior games. Just... not particularly well, even though those circumstances aren't entirely its own fault
Somehow i laughed at your description about your friends:) Not in a bad way, but because you described it so good:)
No, I didn't, but a few outliers don't change the fact that the list is mostly dominated by stale franchises with annual updates.
Given how GOW2018 tracked in NPD in latter 2019 and 2020 (aka: it didn't) and the US is by a good margin GOW's biggest market hisorically, I'd say it's honestly pretty unlikely the game did 10m+ in the last year and half. Speculative math based on a an uncredited NYT series total casually thrown out doesn't really inspire much confidence.
To make a rough comparison, in the window we're talking about (mid 2019 to now) BOTW has sold around 6m worldwide (minus one quarter, it'll probably go 7m+). BOTW has also pretty consistently charted better that GOW2018 in that same window for the big markets we get deeper charts for (US, Japan, UK, Germany) some of which for it lacks digital while GOW doesn't. So how could you explain GOW outselling it?
At least for NPD, those charts are revenue charts and nintendo games mostly go for full price or close to it. BotW on avg sells the each copy for $55 while GoW is probably roughly $25. That makes it difficult to chart like new games/Nintendo 1st party games.
That and maybe Sony digital is higher so GoW with that too. Of course BotW is most likely selling more imo (US). BotW is in its own league as an evergreen which is a single player game. But don't forget Horizon Zero Dawn also had great legs but wasn't showing in the charts too (cuz of how low the game was selling for)
That's true about revenue but digital is counted for GOW in NPD (but not for BOTW). Still I really can't see how GOW did enough to exceed 20m with how it's charted globally in 2019/2020. And it's all speculation based on that NYT series figure of 51m, which is also pretty dubious really. But hey, guess who else gives a series total figure of 51m.
edit: link won't work, it's Chartz. NYT got numbers from Chartz. Same for Ghost's 5m.
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Oh dear. Why are big websites like NYT and Nikkei starting to refer back to VGChartz? I thought we were past that phase. I guess if arguments need to be made for sales articles, the Famitsu Digital estimates adage of "bad numbers are better than no numbers" rears its ugly head.
Edit: Ah, just read to the end of that thread and it looks like VG copied the NYT number and gave it an earlier date lol.
I mean, they bundled it for years and you can buy it for $15.
lolyes, that's my best guess as to what happened. The reporter confirmed it came from Sony PR at least.
multiple bundles, even with other games such as tlou and hzd.
both the base model and the Pro.
I dont know about GoW series, but GoT sold 5M+, that was confirmed by Hermen hulst.
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Forza Horizon 4 is definitely Microsoft's biggest first party success this gen (alongside Sea of Thieves).
I wonder how long that Switch NPD streak can continue
I thought it would be broken in November. I was wrong.
I thought it would be broken in November. I was wrong.
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Depends on multiple factor. I am expecting Switch to sell at a very high level at least for the begining of the year and PS5 shipments won't be able to compete.
Now Sony will probably have big shipments around big releases like Horizon for example so it'll also depend whether Nintendo has something planned for that month too.
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Remember how people tried to say TLOU2 was a dissapointment commercially in comparison to expectations? Like there was threads about it.
Also remember how people were mad about the Spider-Man Avengers exclusivity but it's 5th on Xbox?
Fun stuff
Also remember how people were mad about the Spider-Man Avengers exclusivity but it's 5th on Xbox?
Fun stuff
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm glad to see Marvel's Avengers on the lists. I think with some updates and DLC, this game can pull a Battlefront 2/NMS.
Pretty disappointed that Ring Fit couldn't even make the Switch Top 10. That's two months in a row now and those months being the biggest of the year. Tsk. We all know that if a game fails to chart in the individual charts, its sales might as well be nothing.
On a more serious note, here is Nov 2020 Switch rankings extend with information from this month's information:
1. Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity
2. Animal Crossing
3. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
4. Mario 3D All-stars
5. New Super Mario Bros Deluxe
6. Just Dance 2021
7. Luigi's Mansion 3
8. Mario Kart Live
9. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
10. Legend of Zelda: BotW
11. ????
12. Ring Fit Adventure
13. ????
14. Super Mario Odyssey
15. Super Mario Party
Rign Fit could be #11, #12, or #13. Any guesses on the other two games?
On a more serious note, here is Nov 2020 Switch rankings extend with information from this month's information:
1. Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity
2. Animal Crossing
3. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
4. Mario 3D All-stars
5. New Super Mario Bros Deluxe
6. Just Dance 2021
7. Luigi's Mansion 3
8. Mario Kart Live
9. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
10. Legend of Zelda: BotW
11. ????
12. Ring Fit Adventure
13. ????
14. Super Mario Odyssey
15. Super Mario Party
Rign Fit could be #11, #12, or #13. Any guesses on the other two games?
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Call of Duty can just be mediocre year after year for years, and still sell like crazy, and looks like that shit ain't ever changing.
I'm relgating CoD to the same corner of my gaming perspective that EA's half-assed rushed garbage sports games sit in because it's all the same to me
I'm relgating CoD to the same corner of my gaming perspective that EA's half-assed rushed garbage sports games sit in because it's all the same to me
Does anyone know when Nintendo's, Microsoft's and Sony's next earning calls are?
About EA sports games and CoD games, i think see what you mean, but personally, i think theres a noticeably difference between them. CoD games today takes about 2-3 year to make, while sports games like FIFA are made by the same studio in a years time, unless i'm mistaken. To be fair though, sport games are more of the same (its not like soccer changes dramatically from year to year), so less work is required for those titles in comparison (and in some way, since sports overall changes little, it might be more of a challenge to come up with new things and changes to make the sequels interesting), while CoD games are basically brand new games with new characters, maps and weapons etc..
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Out of curiousity, what would you like see being done differently with the CoD games? Personally, i think they're pretty good games. I havnt played Cold War, so i cant say much about that title though, but i played Modern Warfare (the one from 2019) for maybe 200 hours+ hours or so :) I think it s always interesting to see what they do of new things, but i think their limited to what they can do without changing the formula too much. The biggest recent changes are probably the inclusion of Battle Royale mode, and also Ground War mode (big maps with up to 32 VS 32 players. Kinda like the Battlefield games).
About EA sports games and CoD games, i think see what you mean, but personally, i think theres a noticeably difference between them. CoD games today takes about 2-3 year to make, while sports games like FIFA are made by the same studio in a years time, unless i'm mistaken. To be fair though, sport games are more of the same (its not like soccer changes dramatically from year to year), so less work is required for those titles in comparison (and in some way, since sports overall changes little, it might be more of a challenge to come up with new things and changes to make the sequels interesting), while CoD games are basically brand new games with new characters, maps and weapons etc..
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I think you just cant change CoD much with the current release schedule outside of minor refinements, it would piss off everybody. They still sell gangbusters every year, so I wouldnt expect this to change, but like Halo, I think CoD would benefit from making the multiplayer a separate perpetual client and then taking the time and releasing a campaign every 2 or 3 years. That way they could be so much more ambitious and actually changing the core would be viable.
Thanks. Do we have any indications how this quarter has been for Nintendo compared to the same quarter in 2019? Nintendo seems to have had a great quarter now at least.
Yeah, too much changes can also lead to negative feedback too, thats true.
Splitting the multiplayer from the single player is an interesting idea i think. Do you think that they would go the route of charging for the multiplayer in that case, like a monthly/yearly subscription, or go Free To Play like they do with CoD Warzone?
It shall be interesting to see how things turn out for Halo Infinite, and how things will change in terms of sales when the multiplayer is Free To Play. I think it will be an indicator to how many who buys Halo games mainly, or at least a bigger part, for the single player campaign. But the multiplayer being F2P could also lead to bigger revenue overall compared to before as well. Only time will tell :)
I believe Nintendo sold 10.89 m Switch's in Q3 2019. It should be up YoY and I think most people believe it will end up setting the record for most units sold in Q3 in Nintendo's history.
I'm sure somebody can correct me or provide more detailed explanations.
Edit: I checked and Switch sold 10.81m in Q3 2019. I also confirmed the top Q3 Nintrndo HW record belongs to NDS with 11.89. Switch should take the top spot IMO.
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After a request in another thread:
Dec:
Switch: ~2.1m
PS5: ~0.8m
XS: ~0.7m
Nov:
Switch: 1,36m
PS5: 1.14m
XS: ~0.8m
Top 5 retail titles (units):
Dec:
Cyberpunk 2077: ~1.2m
CoD: Black Ops: ~1.1m
NBA 2K21: ~0.8m
Animal Crossing: ~0.7m
Mario Kart: ~0.6m
Nov:
CoD: Black Ops: ~1.1m
AC Valhalla: ~0.7m
Miles Morales: ~0.7m
NBA 2K21: ~0.4m
Hyrule Warriors: ~0.3m
Dec:
Switch: ~2.1m
PS5: ~0.8m
XS: ~0.7m
Nov:
Switch: 1,36m
PS5: 1.14m
XS: ~0.8m
Top 5 retail titles (units):
Dec:
Cyberpunk 2077: ~1.2m
CoD: Black Ops: ~1.1m
NBA 2K21: ~0.8m
Animal Crossing: ~0.7m
Mario Kart: ~0.6m
Nov:
CoD: Black Ops: ~1.1m
AC Valhalla: ~0.7m
Miles Morales: ~0.7m
NBA 2K21: ~0.4m
Hyrule Warriors: ~0.3m
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Could these insane switch numbers be a reason why we didn't have any sales bragging PR for PS5 ? I mean, their sales are nothing to be ashamed of, yet they said nothing, maybe because "we sold 2 millions in 2 months" isn't as good when one of your competitor sells 2 millions in one month...
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He's not comparing, he's explaining why a PR wouldn't make sense (since others would and it is all about appearances).
I don't remember last time Sony has done region specific PR. They have not commented NPD sales in like a decade (even when PS4 was the best selling console).
Nah. They'd struggle. Because it wouldn't be a Switch console anymore.
Wow those are very strong holiday numbers for switch, especially since it was essentially running on evergreens
I thought so too, but it's physical only, hence the lower than expected figure there.