Fair enough. I'm very cynical when it comes to 'we are happy with sales' type statements. No one is going to admit to weak sales because it's not good for attracting future prospective buyers.
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NPD January 2020 : Dragon Ball Z Kakarot #1 SW, Switch #1 HW
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All we know is that 2K went on record on that they were very pleased with CiV sales on the platform.
It was on an investors calls, not a PR even, though.
Yes and no, there were more than enough "bad sales" statements during the Wii/Wii U era as justification for not bringing games to those systems.
seven years is way, way too long before a major generation refresh. new platforms should have been out in 2019.
it's not just for the hardware manufacturers, but for the publishers on them. it takes time to build up a new userbase and it's tough to stay on a dying system.
it's not just for the hardware manufacturers, but for the publishers on them. it takes time to build up a new userbase and it's tough to stay on a dying system.
Still kind of a nothing statement unless they had previously announced what their expectations were in terms of numbers.
I mean, Beth is supporting the Switch with near day 1 ports, Blizzard put Overwatch on the Switch after Diablo 3 and Switch is getting Overwatch 2, Civ just got a major update patch and it hasn't been ported on another console at this point, Square is giving Nintendo original games along with ports (granted, still no Kingdom Hearts collection) with one being the definitive edition of their biggest franchise in Japan, and Witcher 3's sells increased by 33% after the Switch version came out.
I mean, it isn't like we need hard numbers to see that those developers that supported Switch are overall happy since they keep giving the Switch games. I mean, even Capcom with its crappy Switch support has MHGU sell over a million on the Switch alone along with Mega Man 11 doing extremely well.
Well then. I was expecting a fairly notable rise YOY for switch in units like in japan, so I'm a bit surprised it was basically flat.
When talking to investors, companies are upfront if something underperformed. They can't lie or hand wave to their investors about stuff like that.
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The fact that they immediately ported the game to PS4/XB1 after the success of the Switch version adds concrete acts to their words
Sony refusing to drop the PS4 to a standard $199.99 I think is the biggest culprit. It shouldn't be more expensive than that this late in the console cycle.
Switch being down YoY raises an eye brow.
Switch being down YoY raises an eye brow.
I miss the days of $99 consoles late in the generation. Wait it out, get a cheap console and the games were dirt cheap as well.
Third party content is seeing an uptick on the Switch I think, but lets be realistic too, Nintendo has been a non-entity for 3rd party content for so long now that even Nintendo fans know to buy a PS or XBox to get their 3rd party fix.
Nintendo now occupies kind of its own bubble in the game industry where they basically can sustain themselves on their own core IP and family friendly appeal. Which is pretty amazing that they can basically sustain a 80-100+ million selling platform on their own because Sony/MS would sink faster than a rock without 3rd parties.
Nintendo now occupies kind of its own bubble in the game industry where they basically can sustain themselves on their own core IP and family friendly appeal. Which is pretty amazing that they can basically sustain a 80-100+ million selling platform on their own because Sony/MS would sink faster than a rock without 3rd parties.
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Darn you Kakarot!
I guess Sony just wants the profit margin rather than the install base. I don't know, I feel like the latter would be better; hook them into the ecosystem so they're more likely to stick with you when they eventually jump into next gen.
Yeah those days are long gone unfortunately, if not alone just because of inflation.
I guess Sony just wants the profit margin rather than the install base. I don't know, I feel like the latter would be better; hook them into the ecosystem so they're more likely to stick with you when they eventually jump into next gen.
Yeah those days are long gone unfortunately, if not alone just because of inflation.
Remember when the Switch was clearly not going to be able to compete with the much cheaper PS4 and XBO?🤔
Also something something mobile killed portables something something...
Also can someone run the numbers and see if Switch is outdoing 3DS+Wii U+PSV combined? That would be an interesting comp.
Also something something mobile killed portables something something...
Also can someone run the numbers and see if Switch is outdoing 3DS+Wii U+PSV combined? That would be an interesting comp.
I want to say they were trying to make the argument in one of the Media Create threads like 2-3 weeks ago after it didn't sell very well in Japan either.
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+---------+-------+-------+-------+
| Quarter | 3DS | WIU | NSW |
+---------+-------+-------+-------+
| FY1Q3 | | 3.06 | |
| FY1Q4 | 3.61 | 0.39 | 2.74 |
| FY1 | 3.61 | 3.45 | 2.74 |
+---------+-------+-------+-------+
| FY2Q1 | 0.71 | 0.16 | 1.97 |
| FY2Q2 | 2.36 | 0.30 | 2.93 |
| FY2Q3 | 8.35 | 1.95 | 7.23 |
| FY2Q4 | 2.10 | 0.31 | 2.93 |
| FY2 | 13.52 | 2.72 | 15.06 |
+--------+--------+-------+-------+
| FY3Q1 | 1.85 | 0.51 | 1.88 |
| FY3Q2 | 3.21 | 0.61 | 3.19 |
| FY3Q3 | 7.64 | 1.91 | 9.41 |
| FY3Q4 | 1.25 | 0.59 | 2.47 |
| FY3 | 13.95 | 3.38 | 16.95 |
+---------+-------+-------+-------+
| FY4Q1 | 1.40 | 0.47 | 2.13 |
| FY4Q2 | 2.49 | 0.72 | 4.80 |
| FY4Q3 | 7.76 | 1.87 | 10.81 |
| FY4Q4 | 0.59 | 0.20 | |
| FY4 | 12.24 | 3.26 | |
+---------+-------+-------+-------+
| LTD | 43.33 | 12.80 | 52.48 |
+---------+-------+-------+-------+Switch will catch 3DS + Wii U LTD next fiscal year. Don't know about the Vita.
Thanks. Vita is probably similar to Wii U, or even weaker, so Switch probably is keeping pace with the three combined.
Yeah, I have been sorta holding out buying a PS4 as I keep expecting a price drop.. and it keeps not happening lol.
Nothing EA says about Nintendo is worth listening to. Doesn't mean they're always wrong, but it's just not worth putting any stock into what they say when it comes to Nintendo. Watch their actions with Nintendo, not their words.
Same here. Game isn't perfect in every way but it is such a great game in its' own way. A sequel with deeper social mechanics and more depth of a world would be the best thing ever.
I would say absence of big software titles plays important part too. 2019 was much weaker than 2018 in terms of big third party releases (and also first party). Ubisoft basically had nothing for holiday season and there was also nothing to counter the impact of RDR2 when compared to 2018. Also at least for PS4 Spiderman was huge title for 2018 holidays that Death Stranding didn't match in any way. Then add the lack of Fornite boost (compared to 2018), natural decline and lack of price cuts and you get big drops for hw sales.
Here's how we know Take 2 was actually happy with Civ 6 sales on Switch:
- They told investors they were happy with its sales on Switch.
- They ported both expansions one year later (these weren't previously announced to be coming pre-launch, so there wasn't a commitment to bring them over). That's not something you do if you aren't happy with sales of a title.
I think this here is a good indication of whether or not a publisher was truly happy with their sales on the thing:
Have they released more since?
Please remember that Switch is DOA with $299. It should be $199 to be competitive.
Yeah I feel like the companies don't know how to handle this transition with mid gen refreshes
At which point in time was the PS4 much cheaper than the Switch?
Yup, although I'm also in the UK where the PS4 has been cheaper than the Switch since day 1.
DOA. Wii U 2.0.
