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NPD June 2018 : PS4 Top Selling Current Gen HW, NES #1, PS4, Xbox, Switch Up YoY
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The hardcore niche is less price sensitive...but this is US as well were they are not that far apart. Wordlwide would be different.
Considering it's literally only Sony that's doing this, it's more like Sony gonna Sony.
It's not just Sony .all the major publisher have gotten into dispute with amazon at some point .from Nintendo to Sony to MS to non game related companies .
Cool. Thanks for numbers. Wish we got more eshop sales numbers from Nintendo.
Sure. It's been up YoY quite a bit this year thanks to Pokemon and Let's Go should keep that interest high for sun and moon. Probably another couple years at least really.
Well X and Pro are both niche, lol.
Yeah, I think we all appreciate the knowledge and insight the ppl in the know bring to the discussions.
This does help me understand why I was waiting for 3D World to get cheaper for so long, lol. By the time I was going to get it, didn't have a Wii U anymore.
I just gotta get Nintendo games, not worry about the price. It's just harder when I don't get the game at launch. It also makes sense why GTA V was at the top of PSN charts. It's the first time in 80 years it's been under 30 dollars.
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Where's that gif of era crying and the 3ds dancing behind when you need it lol
I wasn't only talking about this situation with that statement. Amazon has consistently been getting worse over the years in several ways.
And yeah, this isn't a Sony only thing either. Amazon has had situations like this with various companies.
It's still selling well enough to justify a retail presence but the numbers are not good enough to justify any new 3DS releases or throwing any real support behind the system. It's been 7 years. It's just coasting now.
Saying 'ratios are similar' can be taken to mean 'one is higher than the other but not significantly so.'
There have been a number of posters in previous NPD & other thresds who have made claims about X1X selling in higher volume than Pro, which even with this years growth for X1 family would require a gap of at least 10-15% above the ~20% the Pro/Base ratio is for Sony.
Well, console gaming as we know it will end eventually...so it's easy to predict that :P
But yea, I guess I a lot of people were predicting a more sudden death than the continued slow one.
Looking at the past 10 years, the userbase for dedicated console gaming isn't expanding/growing...it is contracting.
The good news here for the industry is that the remaining userbase market is dedicated enough to still spend a lot on dedicated gaming hardware and software...and publishers/console manufacturers have become inventive in figuring out ways to sell more hardware to the same user and get more money from the user for gaming...since they cant increase revenue simply from selling to an expanding customer base.
No, console gaming isn't dead. But it isn't necessarily healthy either. It's a definitely an over-the-hill industry as a whole :P
No, the industry is absolutely healthy. I don't understand how in the world you could argue otherwise.
This is the most accurate.
Labo sold to Nintendo's expectations, but retailers had much higher sales expectations for a $70+ DIY toy in April/May that Nintendo didn't even advertise lol
I think unloading 1.4 million of these in 10 weeks during the dog days of May and June is pretty darn good.
Maybe people are just upset Nintendo shipped too many on April 20th? I swear people get upset if Nintendo ships too little of a product and when they ship too much lol
I wonder how many Labo Kits have to sell before people will stop "concern" posting and stop saying it's a failure...3 million? 5 million?
Guess this will be discussed better after the holiday I'm sure!
I had no idea that ¨telling it like it is ¨ is considered a shtick. I would think that saying ¨Everyone´s doing great cause everyone´s doing great (and Fortnite!!!)¨ each month would be closer to that.
I seem to be offering more insight on MS´s performance than most here, so I would say it offers a lot of value. I don´t see why you and the other poster have an issue with it.
I mean you dont "tell it like it is", and almost no one in here thinks you do as far as I'm aware. You essentially come in every month and talk about how Xbox performance is poor month in and month out no matter the result.
I pretty much never get confrontational with anyone in these threads, and this is the last time I'm responding to you on it, but if you aren't adding anything to the conversation dont be surprised when people dont really engage with you on it. I'm sure you are a great person and dont take the criticism personally.
If this was last years performance Xbox hardware results would absolutely be worth criticism. But it just feels pretty weak to be talking about that in 2018.
No need to get emotional over this, these are large, financially stable corporations we discuss here each month. Next, I absolutely am not saying Microsoft´s performance is poor. I would like to see it better though, as a fan of the Xbox platform.
I really just see it as easy to explain. These are the first months of their midgen platform and they cut the MSRP of the platform each month so they are yielding better numbers than sales numbers that you admit were very bad last year. The thing is, nearly the same tactic every month is used. I do not see it is a stable way to drive interest in Xbox honestly, and I do not know how any analyst or enthusiast could think it is.
I mean imagine if Nintendo and Sony did the same? Xbox´s numbers would be much, much farther away if the Switch and PS4 were nearly always on sale. Yet those two platforms focus on key software titles to generate consumer interest so they truly do not have to.
At this point there's not much else they can do. They've pushed 3DS pretty hard and for a long time at that. I'm kinda expecting some new additions to the Nintendo Select line to maybe help maintain momentum and maybe a few more Limited Editions but they've done a good job squeezing what they could out of the 3DS.
Edit: maintain the little momentum it has in NA.
Mind blown
I don't think I remember any piece of hardware in history that had a decent-to-good retail presence in its last 2 years that didn't receive a major hardware-selling game for 2 years.
I suppose PS2 and Wii were like that but even those were getting the FIFAs and WII is still receiving Just Dance.
3DS isn't getting anything, literally. Nothing
or what games could possible release on 3DS in 2019?? EOX and PQ2 are the only games that come to find and I doubt people will even look at them.
I still believe are looking at this overly negative. Xbox isnt simply mildly up YoY. They are significantly up and on pace for their best year this entire generation. That's a very, very good performance and it doesnt come strictly down to only being about deals. They've ran deals and have been cheaper than the competition essentially this entire generation other than their blunder in pricing at launch.
Initiatives like Game Pass, are having real world impacts on hardware sales. I'm not just theorizing this, I've seen data to corroborate it. Xbox will not outsell its competitors this generation, that was decided long ago so I dont even really see why so much conversation still goes on around it. It's the most boring one to have about the state of the hardware industry because it's going to be the same conclusion every single time. Sony and Nintendo will both handily outsell the Xbox platform.
The discussion that is much more pertaining and interesting, is whether the brand itself is healthy and moving into a sustainable and profitable platform. The answer of which is yes. Something that again was in serious doubt just a year or 2 ago.
The growth seen in the Xbox brand this year isn't mild. It's a serious turn around.
You have set the bar for sheer irony for choosing to make a such a post interpreting the start that way
I´m just not convinced, and this is because I have seen so many excuses for a financial titan like MS all this gen as if it they were some start-up in the gaming industry trying to get their act together. Things were never even so bad for them, they just fumbled on making the Xbox One a compelling platform as the competition is. And there have been many times where thy have come close to the PS4 in the U.S., but there seemed to have always been some inane reason or excuse given for why it wasn´t doing as well even with all the marketing incentives.
A popular one was ¨People are waiting for Project Scorpio, once that hits MS will take the lead in NA¨ and we have seen that it is still struggling even with monthly price cuts. It is not a great sign to see that they are still relying on such a crutch even with all their efforts.
Things look better this year, I mean how could they not with the X and all the price cuts? But the sales they yield with all their efforts just do not seem substantial with all they have to do to produce them each month.
Its disappointing to me that MS couldnt even get the top spot despite securing nearly every third party trailer at their conference and announcing so many things like studio acquisitions and new console exclusives.
The fact that you can't preorder RDR2 on Amazon is crazy to me. That has to be a million copies not being shipped day 1 by Amazon. With Prime free shipping and their 20% discount I can see how Amazon probably takes a loss with every preorder.
Your posts are starting to get pretty transparent now.
Yep, exactly.
You don't need to be first to be a winner.
And in some cases it is possible that you are the loser despite being first.
Pokemon Sun and Moon will keep it going by themselves, but helped by Kart, 3D Land, etc. More Select titles, play the price game like they have with the hardware and another couple years is pretty easy to see. It's not like retailer shelfspace is cramped anymore now that Dance/Music and TTL are gone.
We've also seen Phil state how both SOT and SOD2 both exceeded sales expectations, stating gamepass as the reason.
And taking what you said into account, it seems Nintendo and especially Sonys analysts are seeing the same things.
Sony is, right now, probably morphing PS Now into a gamepass service, one subscription for streaming and downloads.
Which brings us to the most important question, will gamers be accepting of so many subscription services.
No apology necessary. You've shown nothing but class in this thread, as usual.
Just curious but who really expected Project Scorpio alone to be enough to overtake the PS4? I don't remember seeing too many people with those expectations.
Also, the X1 has had deals off and on for the entire generation and it barely moved the needle, yet now that it is why discount it? I think everyone realizes it's not going to beat PS4 this gen but that doesn't mean it can't be a healthy platform in its own right.
You know this is actually really interesting. Because while I do think Sony and Nintendo are aware of how things like Game Pass and other services are transforming the market, I still think we are REALLY far away from seeing either of them pursue such a model. It just seems so different from their strategies. MS is traditionally a service based company anyways, so something like Game Pass fits right into their wheel house.
I wont be surprised if we dont see either of Sony or Nintendo offer a service comparable to Game Pass even next gen (though I hope they do).
Wasn't there a backed up rumor that PSnow will offer download later this year? Also don't see how it's not like Sony, they tried PSnow first lol. Unlike Nintendo I would agree with.
No need to apologize, man. You've been nothing but respectful and we appreciate your sales insight as always. Fanboys will never be rational so just remember nothing you say will make sense to them. Better to block/ignore and move on.
Ah, you beat me to it. This.
Yep. Xbox One is on track to sell 50+mil units by the end of the gen and that is coming from one of the worst launches in console history where everyone thought it was the end. Things have turned around so drastically, as Benji pointed out, that the brand is seeing growth like never before in it's history, and this is at the end of a console cycle after the abysmal launch that would've probably sunk any other manufacturer. Microsoft are seriously firing on all cylinders except their 1P which they are aggressively taking a serious approach on as we speak, and if Playgrounds recent staff acquisitions and Ninja Theorys tweets are anything to go by, hoooo boy. Phil, Satya and Panos leading the helm for Xbox Scarlet means there are very exciting times ahead for gamers.
I believe that's still for older titles though from rumors. It's hard for me to believe that Sony will offer the next God of War or the next Horizon Zero Dawn as part of a subscription service.
I absolutely 100% hope they do and I believe they could be very successful with it, I'm just not sure it's something they are ready to do.
It's pretty exciting because all 3 seem to be taking slightly different paths. It'll be fun to see how that all pans out next gen.
Maybe, and there is caveats, SOT and SOD2 we're both multiplayer titles. We still have no data on newly released single player games.
They won't have to worry about that anymore though. They ended the 20% discount for games.
https://gamerant.com/amazon-prime-new-game-discounts-removed/
I've just been going digital now.
There was a limited edition gaudy gold PS4 for $250, but yes, standard model wise the Xbox One was essentially $100 (33%) cheaper than the PS4. On top of that the Gold and Game Pass deals were orders of magnitude better than PlayStation equivalents. It was $10 off a year's PS Plus sub whilst it was double the months free on Gold and Game Pass.
I'm actually surprised the Xbox One didn't sell more than the PS4, because historically when talking other periods or months, fall, Black Friday etc, price has been a major and notable factor. It's not exactly a small price difference this June either, but a substantial one.