NPD November 2018: All three consoles over 1.3m for the month

Dec 10, 2017
4,170
A Nintendo game winning any award in general will naturally bring out a lot of salt :P

There is that but I'd argue that, considering the prestige the series holds, it's a bit odd that their main 3D entries aren't as big contenders for GotY as you'd think they would
Within the game community, Zelda is a giant broken base. Like some believe the last good Zelda before Breath of the Wild was Ocarina of Time. While some extremes claim only the first game was good.

The only game community more broken is Final Fantasy. Another series that really don’t get many awards despite its prestige.

That and overall, most GOTY tend to go to western games with few exceptions like 3D Mario and Metal Gear Solid.
 
Last edited:
Oct 26, 2017
4,599
Within the game community, Zelda is a giant broken base. Like some believe the last good Zelda before Breath of the Wild was Ocarina of Time. While some extremes claim only the first game was good.

The only game community more broken is Final Fantasy. Another series don’t really don’t get many awards despite its prestige.

That and overall, most GOTY tend to go to western games with few exceptions like 3D Mario Metal Gear Solid.
I won't deny that, albeit I don't think the fanbase is as split as people would have you believe
 
Nov 20, 2017
2,624
And Skyward Sword hardly hurt the brand when it still was the fastest selling Zelda game even when Nintendo left the Wii to die in 2011.
This says WAY more about trends at retail (better product reach on day one) than it does about the game's impact on the brand pre-BotW.

It's how well the game sells AFTER launch that tells you how well it was received.
 
Dec 10, 2017
4,170
This says WAY more about trends at retail (better product reach on day one) than it does about the game's impact on the brand pre-BotW.

It's how well the game sells AFTER launch that tells you how well it was received.
Skyward Sword sold after Nintendo abandoned the Wii in 2011 to focused in the 3DS. It was never going to sell as well as it could if it was launched in 2010. Breath of the Wild is very lucky to launch on the Switch and not in 2016 on the dead Wii U.

That and Zelda had several other games before Breath of the Wild that came out after Skyward Sword that sold and reviewed well. So how did Skyward Sword hurt the brand? That and Skyward Sword’s ‘backlash’ was nothing compared to Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. Especially Phantom Hourglass which caused a melt down for the lack of using a D-pad. Or Wind Waker whose meltdown is the stuff of legends and why Twilight Princess was made the way it was.
 
Last edited:
Oct 26, 2017
8,880
I think you're forgetting the threat of Nintendo completely losing the script and the headline software trending more toward stuff no one really wants, which was also a big problem for Wii in 2010-11.
Wii shipped over 17m in 2010 and launched huge sellers like Mario Galaxy 2, Wii Party, DKCR, Epic Mickey, Goldeneye, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Just Dance 2, etc. That wasn't exactly a problem year.

2011 was when things really took a dive but that was partially because Nintendo shifted to 3DS dev internally and many 3rd parties moved support over to Kinect. Switch won't be in that position for probably 3 more years and iterative hardware might even obfuscate that transition more.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,689
Pretty much any other type of #s or stats they could have bragged about (like Spidey.) But like Benji said, we're for the others to drop their PR so complete the rest of the puzzle.
What puzzle? It's clear that Switch is going to be best selling console in USA. Worldwide i'm not sure if we'are talking about sell through , but shipments should be higher.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,689
Piecing together the whole sales story is what these threads are all about. Sony provided the pieces that they can tout to make themselves look good, therefore we need the other pieces, etc.
Sorry , i really don't understand. Maybe i missed something in this thread, don't have a lot time to check the forum these days.
 

Falconbox

Banned
Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,600
Buffalo, NY
https://gematsu.com/2019/01/ps4-wor...ion-marvels-spider-man-sales-top-nine-million
https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2019/190108.html

The recent report that mentioned Sony selling 5.6 million units during holiday worldwide seems to point towards a very weak december for them in the US.
How does that point to a weak December? 5.6 million is right in line with some of the best holidays the PS4 has ever had.
  • Holiday 2013: 4.2m
  • Holiday 2014: 4.1m
  • Holiday 2015: 5.7m
  • Holiday 2016: 6.2m
  • Holiday 2017: 5.9m
  • Holiday 2018: 5.6m
Guess it depends on what the breakdown is between US and EU/Asia sales.
 
Mar 14, 2018
319
How does that point to a weak December? 5.6 million is right in line with some of the best holidays the PS4 has ever had.

  • Holiday 2013: 4.2m
  • Holiday 2014: 4.1m
  • Holiday 2015: 5.7m
  • Holiday 2016: 6.2m
  • Holiday 2017: 5.9m
  • Holiday 2018: 5.6m


Guess it depends on what the breakdown is between US and EU/Asia sales.
Beacuse 5.6m include Black Friday and Sony this year had a very huge Black Friday with their bundles and price cuts.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,925
Beacuse 5.6m include Black Friday and Sony this year had a very huge Black Friday with their bundles and price cuts.
They had a crazy Black Friday sale last year too. Do those other numbers not include Black Friday or were you expecting this one to surpass last year?
 
Nov 10, 2017
1,546
Beacuse 5.6m include Black Friday and Sony this year had a very huge Black Friday with their bundles and price cuts.
You’re exactly right. Sony has done an excellent job keeping momentum this gen but I think 2019 will see some of the lowest numbers for them in a while. They should still have a pretty successful launch of the PS5 in 2020 and I’m really excited to see what they have planned.
 
May 23, 2018
245
Quick question, is Black Ops 4 still the best selling game this year?

Red Dead 2 is said to have sold close to $20 million units, so BO4 is above or close to $20 million units sold as well, right?
 
Nov 3, 2017
2,635
You’re exactly right. Sony has done an excellent job keeping momentum this gen but I think 2019 will see some of the lowest numbers for them in a while. They should still have a pretty successful launch of the PS5 in 2020 and I’m really excited to see what they have planned.
The question is if and when they cut the price in 2019 to keep the numbers high.

Software wise I don't see an issue, the lineup is amazing right from january onwards.
 
Nov 2, 2017
10,010
I don't want to play Captain Obvious and I respect your remark. However, this is an NPD thread. We speak specifically about the sales in North America during the last three months.
If you read the thread then you’d see people actually talk about everything here even if it’s NPD, the numbers they have provided don’t tell you how they have done in the US anyways.
 
Nov 18, 2017
1,120
It likely means PS4 is in the 700kish range it points to a very low December
Will be interesting to see the Nov + Dec figures for all 3, as I suggested before - I suspect the PS4 sales were very front loaded this year due to the black Friday deal...so a good way to compare the demand over the festive period will be to put November and December together IMO...that way we'll get a fairer reflection on how PS4 has done this holiday.
 
Feb 2, 2018
846
Switzerland
Software wise I don't see an issue, the lineup is amazing right from january onwards.
Not really. For know, Sony has nothing as big as God of War and Spider-Man for 2019. It's possible that The Last of Us Part II (bigger) or Death Stranding (smaller) release in 2019, but we don't know yet. And in 2019, there isn't anything as big as Red Dead Redemption II.
 
Jan 7, 2019
147
If you read the thread then you’d see people actually talk about everything here even if it’s NPD, the numbers they have provided don’t tell you how they have done in the US anyways.
So why object to the part of the discussion actually relevant to this thread ? I agree though that the worldwide numbers do not help us have a precise estimation of the amount of PS4 sold last december in the US. However, they help us have a pretty good idea of the range, as mentioned by Benji. Thus, they are... kinda relevant. But they shouldn't be the sole focus of posts in the thread. I agree on that.
 
Nov 3, 2017
2,635
Not really. For know, Sony has nothing as big as God of War and Spider-Man for 2019. It's possible that The Last of Us Part II (bigger) or Death Stranding (smaller) release in 2019, but we don't know yet. And in 2019, there isn't anything as big as Red Dead Redemption II.
We have Kingdom Hearts 3 and Resident Evil 2 right in january. Followed by Days Gone, Metro Exodus, Sekiro, Devil May Cry and others in February, March and April.

We don't know much about the second part of 2019 yet but I'm willing to bet that it's gonna be packed once again.
 
Nov 18, 2017
1,120
It's not automatically negative, but it is still news that people might want to discuss.
It hasn't had anything like previous generations price drops...It's currently tracking (WW) around the same as PS2 - at this point on the PS2 life it was around half the launch price.

This generation has been weird IMO.
 
Jul 19, 2018
14
Sony has their second best year yet Era keeps clinging on NPD December sales.
I don't get that either. If Sony's December US sales were in conjunction with a sale or bundle and the print was 700k, then THAT would be an issue. Prioritizing other regions (Europe and Japan had decent December sales) after a successful US November, you would expect December to be tepid.
 
Oct 25, 2017
397
that The Last of Us Part II (bigger)
so late in PS4 life TLO2 is not as big system seller as Spider-man, i don't think there would be any game that sells more PS4 than Spider-man at this point, agree with the rest of your comment.

PS4 has had a very strong fifth year mostly because: early in the year in japan it got the biggest third party you can get and in the world in general Fortnite popularity boost consoles sales for the early months, God of War was a huge surprise and helped a bit but i don't know if it had that much of an impact but made their half more sustained, and when Fortnite started to plateau Spider-man came to the rescue, which is the exclusive game with widest appeal that has launched in the console so it sell A LOT of systems. RDR2 existing also helped.

Next year will be more rough than this one, there seems to be no new Fortnite in the horizon, Days Gone is not GoW nor close to it, there is no big Rockstar game and not even TLOU2 has a wider appeal than Spider-man plus a lot of the target audience is already on the platform. KH3 is the only title right now that i see having a huge system selling potential and 1. is multiplatform and 2. by huge i mean compared to the 2019 lineup, i don't think it will get close to the big juggernauts of 2018. If you add to all that it will be its sixth year an important decline is to be expected.

Anyways the console this generation has done fantastic, it will probably end between 110-120m sold and that is if Sony hasn't any secrets plans to keep it afloat for longer (aka, PS4 Pro being able to run PS5 games) which will put the PS4 as the second highest selling home console ever. Analyst and people in this forum are just warning that at some point the party starts to end and people should be prepared for it.
 
Feb 2, 2018
846
Switzerland
We have Kingdom Hearts 3 and Resident Evil 2 right in january. Followed by Days Gone, Metro Exodus, Sekiro, Devil May Cry and others in February, March and April.

We don't know much about the second part of 2019 yet but I'm willing to bet that it's gonna be packed once again.
Yes, the first quarter of the year will be bigger in 2019 than in 2018. But last year, Sony had God of War in April, Spider-Man in September and Red Dead Redemption II in October.

In 2019, PlayStation 4 will have more games, more exclusives and probably more AAA. But nothing similar to God of War, Spider-Man or Red Dead Redemption II (again, except maybe The Last of Us Part II). Red Dead Redemption II is a bigger system seller than Splinter Cell, Borderlands 3 and Jedi: Fallen Order combined.

so late in PS4 life TLO2 is not as big system seller as Spider-man, i don't think there would be any game that sells more PS4 than Spider-man at this point, agree with the rest of your comment.
I don't know. Maybe? The Last of Us is now the biggest IP owned by Sony. I think it will outsell Spider-Man. But I don't know if it will be as big system seller as Spider-Man.
 
Nov 18, 2017
1,120
Anyways the console this generation has done fantastic, it will probably end between 110-120m sold and that is if Sony hasn't any secrets plans to keep it afloat for longer (aka, PS4 Pro being able to run PS5 games) which will put the PS4 as the second highest selling home console ever. Analyst and people in this forum are just warning that at some point the party starts to end and people should be prepared for it.
It'll pass 120m with no problem...it's already at 90m and doing nearly 20m a year at just 25% less than the original RRP
 

Ex-Actarus

Banned
Member
Dec 7, 2017
5,325
Spain
It'll pass 120m with no problem...it's already at 90m and doing nearly 20m a year at just 25% less than the original RRP
It did 20 million once.
It won’t be close to 20 million anymore.
I see 12 million next year and 8 million after that.

But I agree, 120 should be fine. I expect 125 to 127
- 2019 : 104 million total
- 2020 : 112 million total
- 2021 : 118 million total
- 2022 to 2025 : 125-27 million LTD
 
Nov 2, 2017
10,010
It did 20 million once.
It won’t be close to 20 million anymore.
I see 12 million next year and 8 million after that.

But I agree, 120 should be fine. I expect 125 to 127
- 2019 : 104 million total
- 2020 : 112 million total
- 2021 : 118 million total
- 2022 to 2025 : 125-27 million LTD
You think 2019 will do 6 million less than 18?