Thank you.
It's amazing how the narrative is changing now.
This is Gears we are talking about. Whatever the case, I hope this keeps ppl debates grounded in reality when talking about Game Pass.
So Sea of Thieves a better game confirmed?
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NPD September 2019: NBA 2K20 #1, already #1 year-to-date, Borderlands 3 #2, Link's Awakening #4, Gears 5 #7, Code Vein #8
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It's amazing how the narrative is changing now.
This is Gears we are talking about. Whatever the case, I hope this keeps ppl debates grounded in reality when talking about Game Pass.
So Sea of Thieves a better game confirmed?
MS already clearly stated that Gears 5 performed well and considered it a success. Don't know how some people think they know better than the company who published it. :D
i think so, yeah.
but unlike MH, DQ would need to massively and fundamentally change in order to do huge numbers in the west (i'm not sure it will even then), but that would come at the cost of japanese sales. MH went from selling ~4 million in japan to ~2 million, but instead gained a massive new userbase outside japan. no matter what DQ becomes, it'll never be able to sell 10 million, so it's probably best for them to just stick to what they're doing and sell 3-4 million in japan, and around 1 million outside of japan with each new mainline entry.
Both FH3 and SoT fell week on week but Gears 5 didn't.
How would you explain that? Maybe there's a fantastic value Gears 5 bundle I'm unaware of?
NPD data does not include digital sales (like almost all Switch games) and its in Nintendos Voucher program, so real sales are probably a good chunk higher.
Spyro for example has digital sales on Switch included, thats really mess up the charts if you have games with/without digital sales in it.
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God damnit Oregano you beat me to it :(
But is settle on just a simple localisation but I doubt that's what the other user wants.
you know, charli is an icon, she's a legend, and she IS the moment. so i have to represent.
doesn't matter how good it sold, it's done selling now. no company would put time and effort and personnel to update a two year old RPG. and if it's paid, just imagine how bad paid dlc for a year old JRPG would do.
Op is a bit confusing. Are all this statements from NPD or thoughts of the Op writer?
The Switch has definitely sold more than 15 mio, its a US only number.
The statements about Gear5 and hardware sales sound strangely a bit like "excuses". If you bring the late in cycle argument, you could mention that other consoles had better hardware sales even late in life cycle.
The Switch has definitely sold more than 15 mio, its a US only number.
The statements about Gear5 and hardware sales sound strangely a bit like "excuses". If you bring the late in cycle argument, you could mention that other consoles had better hardware sales even late in life cycle.
Is it that hard for you to just accept it being a success for them ?
No picking on you as I have no idea your thoughts on Astral Chain but it's just amusing to me that when MS says Gears did well it's handwaved as PR, but when I brought up the notion Astral Chain May not have done that well I was informed that Nintendo and Platinum said it did well and I shouldn't be questioning it
again I don't think you were one of the people who told me that about Astral Chain so not attacking you just find the contrast amusing
I don't want DQ to become a new FF indeed. Glad they are staying true to their roots even if it costs them more worldwilde recognition. FF is less and less popular in Japan also (and as a matter of fact it went from one of my fav IP to "wathever")
With the amount of bullshit and obfuscation coming from Microsofts PR department we just don't know. And as long as they don't release any actual numbers for the service this is not going to change.
As far as I'm concerned a simple "game xy did well" is meaningless PR. We have absolutely no idea how much Astral Chain sold, what the budget was or how much units Nintendo considers a succes.
But we also know it was like rank 17 for eshop sales in September right?
People forget that this is the first big budget DQ game since like 2001 with great graphics, big production vaues and a hugely extended scope. It's a big return to consoles on PS4, it's the first time the series is available Steam and PC which is usually great for big budget Japanese games and it's got an enhanced port and a big marketing push on of the most popular Nintendo consoles of all time. It had every chance but it looks like the sales on wildly popular platforms are still under the last DS games LTD which released on 1 platform and looked like a game from the 90's. In this context the sales are dissapointing for me.
I disagree here. It really depends if the game is good or not. I know DQ Builders 2 demo convinced me to eventually buy the game, and that game wasn't on my radar at all.
About DQ11 demo, maybe people realized it was a very traditional DQ game, without originality, and decided not to buy the game they already played on other platform (like DS or 3DS).
I'm not sure why you keep talking about GP, I know what caused these results and even my first post on the first page said so, I'm specifically talking about unit sales which is what this thread is about.
Gears is a newer game and selling more than them?
Stop trying to make Dragon Quest happen in the west, people. As long as it stays traditional, it's not going to be a breakout hit. DQXI went almost the exact same route as Monster Hunter World (QoL improvements and heavily increased scope and budget) and it did very little.
Also, stop trying to act like Nintendo is wasting their time localizing and promoting these titles. A game doesn't have to be a massive success in order to justify a localization. Guess what? If DQXII receives a Switch version, Nintendo will localize and publish it. Again. Their expectations for the IP in the west are far more realistic than ERA's.
Also, stop trying to act like Nintendo is wasting their time localizing and promoting these titles. A game doesn't have to be a massive success in order to justify a localization. Guess what? If DQXII receives a Switch version, Nintendo will localize and publish it. Again. Their expectations for the IP in the west are far more realistic than ERA's.
Gears hitting the charts in USA and UK is a good thing imo. It shows even in their strongest markets, not all folks purely buy GP and don't bother about ownership.
They actively purchase Gears5. A good thing. Keeps it balanced.
Anthem on 7th spot best games of 2019 is obviously a travesty.....
It tells me with the right marketing everything sells.
They actively purchase Gears5. A good thing. Keeps it balanced.
Anthem on 7th spot best games of 2019 is obviously a travesty.....
It tells me with the right marketing everything sells.
.....So you'd agree its good performance in the UK charts isn't just down to bundling, as many people keep suggesting it is. We see other bundled games falling, Gears remains in place, even moving up one place from it's launch week. It's performing reasonably well in the UK, which was my point.
It'll drop next week or the week after though, the Autumn rush is fast approaching.
Those people got to play the game a year early. They didn't get abandoned. If I had the choice between the definitive version and playing this in 2018 when there weren't a million games out and about on the Switch I easily would have preferred to play the original release.
Sept NA ranking
19th
Oct 5 NA ranking
5th
Oct 12 NA ranking
8th
September rank is more a factor of releasing late.
Hmm, could DQ XI be in Nintendo's upcoming quarterly stuff at the end of the month? Or do we have to wait for SQEX's briefing to get an idea how digital was for the game?
So lay it out for me, how bad did The Surge 2 do? I was really batting for it but the fact that it's not even in the top 20 makes me really sad. :(
I didn't really get that "So nothing." part, but i guess that 1m info clarified this.
Man, shame that Nintendo won't have anything then, they really should share digital with NPD and other trackers.
I might be mistaken but Nintendo does some times comment on specific games even if they don't ship a million copies, if there's a point to be made.
It's unlikely though.
So instead of countering his arguments you choose to make it a bit personal. Okayyy..
Gears 5 sales are bad – it is also the most successful launch in series history
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Also Steam sales weren't that impressive either. Something's gotta give. My money is on GamePass the thing people say makes folk buy even more games!!
I'm surprised so many people are so concerned about MS making money on their games. Its obvious that isn't their goal; and with the amount of money they have who cares; they aren't nintendo or Sony, its a small piece of the pie for them.
They are looking at the long term ramifications of gamepass.
They are looking at the long term ramifications of gamepass.
Well of course it isn't just because of bundles, no game that released a month ago drops to 0 copies sold by now.
what's very good though? Do persona 5, Xenoblade 2, and Pokemon not qualify?
EDIT: And Fire Emblem
It was probably worth it considering it did well in Japan.
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I know I'm late to responding to this, just reading through the thread now. The rest of the year will be down too. There is nothing coming out to directly replace the best selling game of last year, Red Dead Redemption 2. To a lesser extent, same with Smash in December, it put up monster sales.
Nah, there was almost no marketing for the game and the little marketing we got was bad. The game does deserve more sales though when just looking at its quality though.
