Hey I included him as well.
I never said there was.
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NPR: Group of Democrats moving to oppose Nancy Pelosi's campaign for speaker of the House
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She is the single most successful democratic lawmaker of your lifetime.
It's like talking to a wall. You're not going to kick her out for a progressive agenda, she will push the most progressive agenda she can push while also getting votes from the centrists and moderates of the democrats. You need 218 votes to pass the House, there's a reason AOC isn't gonna be angling for speaker.
The cap and trade bill actually passed because of 8 moderate GOP votes, but I wager she had 8 more Democratic votes in her back pocket in case they flaked out or decided they didn't want bipartisan cred.
lol they wont be going anywhere. keep that same energy for the fascist and nazis on the right.
Who says anything about working with Republicans? You have to be able to control your caucus! One of the main reasons Boehner and Ryan were so bad as speakers is because they had no control over the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus. Nancy Pelosi got Blue Dog Dems to help pass a version of the ACA with a public option. That's someone who's good at her job.
That's not an argument. It's reality. Tim Ryan's group is the most conservative part of the Dem caucus. It's why Lamb and Spanberger are included.
Great, too bad they weren't adamant about actual policy and budget proposals to help us. This forum is a great representation of what's wrong with the Democratic party in how it tries to represent minorities. "But we do enough for you, look what we do, now stay down and shut up". It's a good thing growing up in Westchester NY has shown me first hand how vapid almost all the responses are to the needs we have as minorities by wealthy white liberals. AOC is among the first, but there's real change coming.
She has low public favor-ability because of the GOP smearing, and she won't energize the base more than anyone else. She was going to be the speaker in 2018 and 317 districts swung left and we gained almost 40 seats lmfao
Would you people please, for the love of whatever diety or concept you choose to pay tribute, REASEARCH THE SHIT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE TYPING
AOC won in one of the most diverse districts in an already liberal city. Good luck getting 217 other self described actual socialists to the house and agreeing with a president and senate.
And no, Bernie is not a socialist.
They lost the House in 2010. They lost the White House in 2016.
How exactly are they supposed to help you outside of the judiciary when they lose control of all levers of government?
I got plenty of energy to call out trashers wherever I see them
Well, that didn't take long, for them to turn on themselves and start the in-fighting. I was expecting at least a week of feigned peace before the sharks started to circle for the position of Speaker.
Seriously though, this really isn't the time for this. They really need to be focusing on getting their shit together so they can deal with the real problem, Trump and his administration.
Seriously though, this really isn't the time for this. They really need to be focusing on getting their shit together so they can deal with the real problem, Trump and his administration.
The underlying assertion that if you agree with a conservative cabal of dems trying to push out the speaker, for entirely different reasons, than those of your own, you somehow must support a more conservative agenda is what I am calling out here.
There really isn't a fight.
It's the same people who oppose her every time.
But the media love a DEMS IN DISARRAY narrative, especially now that we have some power.
Dems in red districts were running ads against her since the spring, and she let them because she's not stupid and realizes that's how they're gonna get elected.
This is the same Tim Ryan gang that does this everytime, take no heed to it.
wow!!!!! so many "progressives" here have been drinking the Fox News Kool-Aid
Pelosi is one of the good ones
Pelosi is one of the good ones
No. You're right, they did enough. All the information you've gathered so far is all the information you need.
Right, you're just arguing for something that's a complete fairytale and is pointless arguing because it has no basis in reality and won't happen for multiple reasons.
Swell comeback, it's pretty hard to do much when you don't have a single branch of government and yet she did more than most democrats would ever do.
If she isn't advocating revolution she's not good enough for these folks
The conservative faction will propose a candidate more conservative than Pelosi. If you support the more conservative candidate over Pelosi in that election, it is a direct reflection on your individual priorities, yes.
You could basically make a meme of the guy sweating with "stick it to the establishment" and "push party leftward" as the two buttons.
Were you asleep during the first two years where Pelosi singlehandedly saved the ACA and Obama called her the best speaker the dems have ever had?
100% don't care who the speaker is as long as they're good at their job. We need lock-in-step unity. Whomever can get that, is boss. We need that Democratic cult to combat the other side.
She'll get it in the final vote, the person earlier who called it political theatre for Blue Dogs was on the money.
You are incredibly out of touch with the American electorate if you think AOC could win anywhere else other than NY. She's not the first of anything. How did Democrats get this house majority? In part by appealing to suburban white women along with the coalition of minorities that make up the Democratic Party stronghold. Until someone can show me someone as liberal as AOC winning in Virginia, Georgia, Florida, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, Pelosi stays leader. She'll stop Democrats from doing shit like trying to impeach Trump that will ruin any chance of a slam dunk in 2020. And I am a minority and Pelosi is the by far the best option to lead the house going into 2020.
Only reason you don't want her imo is because:
A: You bought into the smears
B: You want a fresh face
C: You don't want her as a motivator for the right
C: You have no clue what your talking about
A: You bought into the smears
B: You want a fresh face
C: You don't want her as a motivator for the right
C: You have no clue what your talking about
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Wow sounds like you've got the election all analysed and figured out just a few days after it concluded. Usually it takes years and lots of research to see what trends had actual meaningful impact during elections but you do you king!!
Lmao
Actually there were DSA candidates for various positions and most of them in red states lost if not all of them.
Baffling that the left and right fall for blatant political posturing from either side still in the year of our lord 2018.
Tim Ryan should be the chairman of the illustrious Midwestern Fisheries Committee.
An ideological position would support the left-most option in the final ballot.
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The DSA is an incredibly tiny org that only just sprang into life again literally less than a handful of years ago. Bottom up grassroots efforts take time to build. DSA have made headway into lots of other districts though.
I mean my idealogy is more to the left than most dems too but from a practical standpoint with that idealogy calling for Pelosi to be removed is strange bc she has pushed for progressive agenda while getting moderates on board.
Almost as though what motivates their opposition to her isn't political ideology.
All but one of the DSA and JD candidates put up lost in Congressional races but go on. If you actually want to see Trump 2020, make someone like AOC a party leader. I guess America showing how sexist and racist it is once wasn't enough. I actually want to win though and that means pragmatism.
Trump is basically "GOP Obama", I'll simply never underestimate him again and the electorate has shown us exactly where it is, it's slightly to the left of Obama and nothing more. Pelosi will win the speakership easily, I'd get used to the idea.
Quoting this again because it's one of the most sensible posts in this thread. I'll still be ignored by the people raving against Pelosi, though.
Man, you are very unpleasant in this thread. People keep telling you what the reality of the situation is, and then you rail against them like they're offending you by... telling you what the reality of the situation is. You just sound really angry for no good reason. You don't like Pelosi, but the challenge is coming from her right. You claim to want her replaced with someone from the left, but that's not what's happening here. Yet you continue to get angry and act like an ass for no good reason. Putting you on ignore so this thread is less filled with crap. Go take a nap or eat a Snickers bar so you're less cranky, man.
Were you asleep when her and Schumer were so certain they managed to save DACA only to get fucked by republicans anyway?
Literally Pelosi did. Like I liked a tweet quoting her as doing so.
I'm about as far left as a person can get but I recognize that the House in its current state would never listen to a far left candidate when it came time to whip up the votes for bills. Pelosi has years of experience and her voting record is pretty much flawless. Sure, her personal politics and stances don't line up with my ideals, but you can't play politics in the real world with just ideals.
SotH needs to be someone with a crazy amount of experience and an ability to network with every other Democrat who leans right of them and think the bills being pushed are too far left. Pelosi has this in spades, she's fucking terrifying in terms of her effectiveness to get people to vote.
If you're far left, we need to work on transforming the people who make up Congress until the far left are the majority of people in there, not a super small minority like it is now.
SotH needs to be someone with a crazy amount of experience and an ability to network with every other Democrat who leans right of them and think the bills being pushed are too far left. Pelosi has this in spades, she's fucking terrifying in terms of her effectiveness to get people to vote.
If you're far left, we need to work on transforming the people who make up Congress until the far left are the majority of people in there, not a super small minority like it is now.