He should've left.So, what would you have Obama do in 2008, considering a supermajority of people did not want us to leave Afghanistan?
He should've left.So, what would you have Obama do in 2008, considering a supermajority of people did not want us to leave Afghanistan?
Compare her words to her record.
She said the same shit when we won in '06 and had to deal with Bush for two years.
She's making the hollow "bipartisanship" statement that leaders have to make.
That is not Pelosi's job jesus christ.Neither do dems considering they lost power in every single branch of government until just a few days ago! lol
Pelosi is propped up by her great fundraising.
Not from small donors, but large donors.
Legalized bribery and corruption.
She's not just bad for the Democratic party. She's bad for the country.
Centrists and corporatists love her because they are ok with the status quo with minor incrementalism.
You're not getting more than minor incrementalism passed in the US system except for very rare circumstances, it was designed that way. Bemoan it if you want but that's hardly pelosi's problem.Pelosi is propped up by her great fundraising.
Not from small donors, but large donors.
Legalized bribery and corruption.
She's not just bad for the Democratic party. She's bad for the country.
Centrists and corporatists love her because they are ok with the status quo with minor incrementalism.
What they do doesn't matter.You're not getting more than minor incrementalism passed in the US system except for very rare circumstances, it was designed that way. Bemoan it if you want but that's hardly pelosi's problem.
But the biggest leap forward progressives had since The Great Society? That was thanks to Pelosi with Obamacare. And both LBJ and Pelosi are masters of legislative work. It's not a cooincidence.
Nancy Pelosi is the most liberal and progressive House leader in American history. Period.
You're not getting more than minor incrementalism passed in the US system except for very rare circumstances, it was designed that way. Bemoan it if you want but that's hardly pelosi's problem.
But the biggest leap forward progressives had since The Great Society? That was thanks to Pelosi with Obamacare. And both LBJ and Pelosi are masters of legislative work. It's not a cooincidence.
I'm okay with that. He is my congressman and his district is very liberal Hollywood.I think, when Pelosi inevitably retires (not now, because that's fucking stupid), Schiff is on my short list of people who would probably be as good at the job
She represents SF.Pelosi is propped up by her great fundraising.
Not from small donors, but large donors.
Legalized bribery and corruption.
She's not just bad for the Democratic party. She's bad for the country.
Centrists and corporatists love her because they are ok with the status quo with minor incrementalism.
Like someone to the right of her? Because that's what Tim Ryan and his merry band of tens of people are.
You don't bring a knife to a total war. We can address money in politics while using it to get there.Hmm?
You didn't address my points. The corrupting of money in politics is undeniable.
Because you have no policy substance to back up your claim. "She has big donors, thus corrupt" isn't an indelible truth, despite how much some of you would love to simplify things to that degree. Where in her voting or leadership record, exactly, do you see signs of her bending to her donors' will?Hmm?
You didn't address my points. The corrupting of money in politics is undeniable.
Like we said, none of these posters even know how any of this works. They blame the wrong people for the wrong things, and expect the impossible because they are too ignorant to know any better. These threads are basically always chock full of trying to teach these folks what the DCCC does, versus what the various branches of government do and are responsible for in addition to how little you can accomplish with no control.
Its depressing, because these people have SUCH STRONG OPINIONS on this stuff, but need to be reminded that Pelosi doesn't run House elections. This shit needs to be taught in High School...
Yes, a Blue Dog white dude from Ohio who's more conservative than Pelosi in every way.
Hi,
Welcome to page 13.
Let me get you up to speed.
The 10 Democrats are from the same Tim Ryan group that's been doing this for 10 years
Tim Ryan far from being a radical is a conservative Democrat who is supported by Conservative Democrats
So what you just said good to is the exact opposite of what you want and yet your first instinct to the headline was to say good... on Page 13.
Take a moment and reflect on what that means for you.
They could also just read the first post before posting?I've felt this for a while, but damn, your attitude sucks.
Not everyone spends every waking moment on this forum grandstanding and getting into arguments. Maybe take a moment to reflect on that before lashing out against people.
I'd rather have her attitude than some of these people's reading comprehension.
The first post does not go into detail about who the group is and there is even very little discussion about them (maybe a post or two) on the first page.
Can't wait to see all the people here clamoring for Speaker Newblood Freshface.
Pelosi is extremely competent and far more progressive than any of these fools. Tim Ryan is damn near a Blue Dog.
She should be Speaker.
(flashback to 2016 and literaly every other election since 06 etc.) https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/30/poli...tion-results-nancy-pelosi-tim-ryan/index.html
Tim Ryan's crew always tries, and has always failed. This faction is also to Pelosi's right. So if you consider yourself a leftist, you really should look into who you'd be getting as a replacement out of those jokers.
Can confirm. I live in SF and barely saw a single sign for her.Pelosi doesn't need fundraising or donors to win SF. She's been on the ballot for decades. She doesn't run a campaign and will hold the seat until she dies, not having to spend a dime running for reelection other then what's required to file paperwork.
Pelosi doesn't need fundraising or donors to win SF. She's been on the ballot for decades. She doesn't run a campaign and will hold the seat until she dies, not having to spend a dime running for reelection other then what's required to file paperwork.
IIRC she regularly donates her campaign funds to other candidates.Can confirm. I live in SF and barely saw a single sign for her.
LOL
Reminder this is the Tim Ryan "The Dems have gone too far left under Pelosi" gang claiming to be the silent majority.
Can confirm. I live in SF and barely saw a single sign for her.
You don't bring a knife to a total war. We can address money in politics while using it to get there.
IIRC she regularly donates her campaign funds to other candidates.
The last election was 134 to 63. Pelosi needs 116 to win. Even if they were to grab every incoming freshman, they'd need to flip 18 more Pelosi votes.How many people are in this group of Democrats again? And how many Democrats are there in the House?
Because you have no policy substance to back up your claim. "She has big donors, thus corrupt" isn't an indelible truth, despite how much some of you would love to simplify things to that degree. Where in her voting or leadership record, exactly, do you see signs of her bending to her donors' will?
Because you have no policy substance to back up your claim. "She has big donors, thus corrupt" isn't an indelible truth, despite how much some of you would love to simplify things to that degree. Where in her voting or leadership record, exactly, do you see signs of her bending to her donors' will?
Good, she's completely out of touch and terrible at her job.
ok stop quoting this i can't think of anyone who can do a better job, just think she needs some pushback because she's been saying some dumb shit recently about bipartisanship
"I can't point to a single vote in her long career, or can't be arsed to look, but hey, data shows it applies to Politicians in a general sense, so it MUST apply to her case specifically. Even though I can't find anything to back it up."Just like with things like racial or gender discrimination, you look at aggregate statistics.
Look at Princeton study. Data is overwhelmingly convincing.
Man, those corporate donors must love donating to her randomly. Totally not an investment.
I've felt this for a while, but damn, your attitude sucks.
Not everyone spends every waking moment on this forum grandstanding and getting into arguments. Maybe take a moment to reflect on that before lashing out against people.
Pelosi is propped up by her great fundraising.
Not from small donors, but large donors.
Legalized bribery and corruption.
She's not just bad for the Democratic party. She's bad for the country.
Centrists and corporatists love her because they are ok with the status quo with minor incrementalism.
You almost tricked me into responding.