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Protoman200X

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On the one hand, neat! On the other hand, most gamers seem to be content with 144 Hz, 1080p/1440p for their gaming fix, so it will be interesting to see if consumers will bite.
 

Neoxon

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Will this only work with the new DisplayPort 2.0 standard? Also, they mention Overwatch in the link, but doesn't it cap out at 300fps?
 

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Damn. I'd at least like to see and feel what this would be like. I bet just moving the mouse around on the desktop will feel surreal.
 

Tagyhag

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While I can clearly see and feel the difference between 60 and 144hz, I wonder if I could tell the difference between 144hz and 360hz, when does the diminishing returns hit?

Obviously I bet CS GO players could, but for someone like me who doesn't really play MP games anymore I wonder if it would be a worthwhile upgrade.

That said, the fact that it's going to be a thing is still cool, maybe in like 10-15 years I could see myself going this route if enough people that don't just play competitive MP say that they can tell the difference.
 

dynamitejim

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I wonder if it has ELMB Sync. 240Hz+ with ELMB Sync will be amazing for motion resolution on sample-and-hold displays.
 

MrBob

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Isn't 1440p 240 hz starting to become a thing? I couldn't go back to a 1080p monitor. Actually now that I moved to ultrawide I have a tough time going back to 16:9
 
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is there any competitive current game you can achieve 360fps?
yes. literally all of them. there are no competitive PC games that have a framerate cap.

the only question is whether your hardware can reach those frames at your desired resolution.

Isn't 1440p 240 hz starting to become a thing? I couldn't go back to a 1080p monitor. Actually now that I moved to ultrawide I have a tough time going back to 16:9
21:9 @ 200+Hz is what I'm hoping for out of CES.
 

TSM

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I love my 240hz monitor. The best part is playing 2D games with unlocked frame rates. The motion clarity is stunning. Stuff like Hollow Knight and Rogue legacy look and feel amazing to play at 240 fps.
 

JohnF

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Can somebody help explain what this means for somebody who is utterly ignorant to PC specs and terminology?
 

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Can somebody help explain what this means for somebody who is utterly ignorant to PC specs and terminology?

Nvidia has created a monitor with a resolution of 1920x1080 that can refresh 360 times per second as opposed to the standard 60 you find on most monitors and televisions.
 

TSM

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Can somebody help explain what this means for somebody who is utterly ignorant to PC specs and terminology?

You can potentially play games at 360 frames per second with this monitor. The motion clarity should be stunning for games capable of running at that speed consistently.
 

Bissniss

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Is there an official e-sport setup in tournaments? And i would assume 1080p resolution is to low for pro players at least I wouldn't play at 1080p.
 

Remark

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Is there an official e-sport setup in tournaments? And i would assume 1080p resolution is to low for pro players at least I wouldn't play at 1080p.
What? most pro players play at 1080p.

Hell most of the the time at least with CS:GO they have their internal resolution at sub 720p.
 

Sandcrawler

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Is there an official e-sport setup in tournaments? And i would assume 1080p resolution is to low for pro players at least I wouldn't play at 1080p.
At least for Counterstrike, many pros actually play at low (1024*768 and 1280*1024 are common), 4:3 resolutions either stretched or with black bars on the tournament monitors. Some say it makes the targets bigger and therefore easier to hit, but imo the lower FOV is a disadvantage.
 

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You would probably end up ruining every other screen for yourself for the next decade. Going from 144hz to 60hz is almost already unbearable for me. Imagine going from 360hz to 60 or less!
 

Ostron

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Isn't 1440p 240 hz starting to become a thing? I couldn't go
You wouldn't really want 1440p on that kind of monitor unless you're playing some very specific 2D games or you're willing to leave 50% of your monitors potential on the table most of the time. At that point you're better of getting a cheaper or higher picture quality alternative at 144hz, or even 120hz. A 1440p monitor will already have you upgrading parts very often if you strive for 144hz.

Very few games can even be pushed to 240 and the ones that can still need all the help they can get to remain stable.
 

JohnF

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You can potentially play games at 360 frames per second with this monitor. The motion clarity should be stunning for games capable of running at that speed consistently.
Thanks. I can't imagine a human eye could possibly notice that much difference from moment to moment, though I'd be curious to find out for myself.
 

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Is it TN? If so, trash. For the life of me I can't understand how TN panels are still around in 2020.
 

DrDeckard

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I want an ultra wide above 1080p. The new samsung g9 looks amazing but I bet that's going to be like 2 grand. I could maybe stretch to 1k.
 

Nzyme32

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Awesome for super competitive gaming. So curious how they've got this to work and if there any artefacts/ghosting etc

I'm happy with 1440p 144hz IPS or OLED. Once 4K versions are cheaper, I'd be going for that before 200+ hz

Considering how much of a struggle it is to go back to 60fps from 144, 360hz motion clarity will likely be similarly difficult to move back from
 

TSM

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Thanks. I can't imagine a human eye could possibly notice that much difference from moment to moment, though I'd be curious to find out for myself.

A lot of the improvement in clarity is just that an LCD without a strobing back light is very blurry due to the way the technology works. The faster the an LCD refreshes the greater the clarity of motion.

Basically an LCD changes the pixels to the current frame's image and then holds that image until the pixels are updated to the next frame. So in effect each new frame is drawn on top of the last frame. At 60hz/60fps motion clarity on an LCD is horrifically bad, which is only really obvious when you get used to a higher refresh rate LCD.
 
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3bdelilah

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At the risk of sounding ignorant (most I gamed at was with a 75Hz monitor, can't imagine what 144 feels like), what does the average human eye see? Obviously it isn't 30 or even 60, but 360 seems like quite the overkill, doesn't it? Considering a quick Google yields result of people mostly claiming 150-ish to be the highest. A study goes as high as 255, which is insane, but still quite a bit lower than this 360Hz monitor.

Is it just marketing at this point?
 

TSM

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At the risk of sounding ignorant (most I gamed at was with a 75Hz monitor, can't imagine what 144 feels like), what does the average human eye see? Obviously it isn't 30 or even 60, but 360 seems like quite the overkill, doesn't it? Considering a quick Google yields result of people mostly claiming 150-ish to be the highest. A study goes as high as 255, which is insane, but still quite a bit lower than this 360Hz monitor.

Is it just marketing at this point?

In testing the military found that pilots could see one frame of an enemy fighter at over 1000 fps. So higher than that.

As I said in a previous post due to the way LCD works higher refresh rates make an enormous difference in motion clarity.
 

Hong

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This is for esports games obviously. Higher resolutions don't matter much, it's all about them frames.
 

Ostron

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At the risk of sounding ignorant (most I gamed at was with a 75Hz monitor, can't imagine what 144 feels like), what does the average human eye see? Obviously it isn't 30 or even 60, but 360 seems like quite the overkill, doesn't it? Considering a quick Google yields result of people mostly claiming 150-ish to be the highest. A study goes as high as 255, which is insane, but still quite a bit lower than this 360Hz monitor.

Is it just marketing at this point?

1000hz is supposedly where motion blur is completely eliminated without any supplemental trickery like strobing.
 

3bdelilah

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In testing the military found that pilots could see one frame of an enemy fighter at over 1000 fps. So higher than that.

As I said in a previous post due to the way LCD works higher refresh rates make an enormous difference in motion clarity.
Would you mind linking to a source? Quick search about pilots seeing over 1000fps takes me to Battle.net and it doesn't have proper sourcing.
 

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At the risk of sounding ignorant (most I gamed at was with a 75Hz monitor, can't imagine what 144 feels like), what does the average human eye see? Obviously it isn't 30 or even 60, but 360 seems like quite the overkill, doesn't it? Considering a quick Google yields result of people mostly claiming 150-ish to be the highest. A study goes as high as 255, which is insane, but still quite a bit lower than this 360Hz monitor.

Is it just marketing at this point?
www.pcgamer.com

How many frames per second can the human eye really see?

30 fps? 60 fps? If you've ever debated framerates, the cognitive researchers we spoke to have some complex answers for you.

Long read but this is actually a well-researched article that gets into nuance. It's a bit inconclusive but one bit takeaway is that results will be different for different people.