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Nvidia Announces Jetson Xavier NX Developer Kit for $399

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NVIDIA Jetson Xavier NX review: Redefining GPU accelerated machine learning

A machine learning module out-of-the-box, support for HDMI and M.2 NVMe SSD drives, and much more. This is our NVIDIA Jetson Xavier NX dev kit review!
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Nvidia announced today a new Jetson developer kit. First of to get this out of the way this is targeted at AI developers but it's also a fully functional SBC with some interesting specs running in a 10-15W (depending on the mode) power threshold much like a docked Switch. The module this is based on has already been out for a while but this is a fully integrated development environment in an SBC form factor.

Key Specs
Hexa-core Carmel ARM-based cores (around 2-6x performance vs Jetson nano's A53 Cores)
384-core Volta-based GPU
8GB of LPDDR4x RAM @51.2 GB/s
HDMI
DisplayPort
Gigabit Ethernet
4x USB 3.1 ports
Wi-Fi
Bluetooth
2x camera connectors
40 GPIO pins
M.2 slot for an SSD

What kind of performance for games does this put up? According to Android authority
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The potential for fast and smooth 3D games, like those based on the various 3D engines released under open source from ID software, is good. I was able to build Doom 3 for the Xavier NX and run it at 4K! At Ultra High Quality the board managed 41 fps. Not bad for 15 watts!
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By comparison the docked Switch is 1080p 60 with frame drops.

What about the CPU? While the Carmel Cores are specialised they outperform both the Pi4 and the Jetson Nano (Jetson Nano has a similar CPU setup to the Switch) in a prime number calculation test
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the Jetson Xavier was able to perform the test in 15 seconds. This compares to 46 seconds on the Jetson Nano and 92 seconds on a Raspberry Pi 4.
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Which means it was over 2x as fast in this specific CPU test in the 10w mode. In the 15W mode it only takes 7 seconds!

Specific specs of each power mode

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OP should have listed the operating modes

15W: 4x/6x Carmel @ 1.4GHz
2x Carmel@ 1. 9GHz
Volta, 384 Cores @ 1100MHz

10W: 4x/ Carmel @ 1.2GHz
2x Carmel @ 1.5GHz
Volta, 384 Cores @ 800MHz
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Chip is the same size as the xb1x's (350mm²). This isn't going into a handheld, it's also using old tech. They will probably just shrink Tegra X1 again if they give us a pro next year.
 
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I really don't see Nintendo shipping a console with Carmel CPU cores. It's just too exotic for that sort of thing.
 
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Yeah the CPU is the wrong configuration for Switch Pro, but that 'NX' in its product name could possibly hint at something? Since Nintendo Switch's code name was also NX.
 
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Pretty sure Nintendo learned their lesson with exotic SoC components with Wii and Wii U. So i don't expect this in anyform related to whatever they might develop for the next Switch system.
 
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OP should have listed the operating modes

15W: 4x/6x Carmel @ 1.4GHz​
or 2x Carmel@ 1. 9GHz​
Volta, 384 Cores @ 1100MHz​
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10W: 4x/ Carmel @ 1.2GHz​
or 2x Carmel @ 1.5GHz​
Volta, 384 Cores @ 800MHz​
 
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Bomblord said:
Is there a reason the GPU configuration can't be used with another CPU?
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it's compatible (as it's based on ARM v8) but, I seen people say that non-synthetic tests were about equal with the A57. that and I'm not sure NIntendo would want to go with a customized CPU that's gonna get dropped in future versions
 
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ILikeFeet said:
it's compatible (as it's based on ARM v8) but, I seen people say that non-synthetic tests were about equal with the A57. that and I'm not sure NIntendo would want to go with a customized CPU that's gonna get dropped in future versions
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At best in synthetics it compares with an A75, but I'm not surprised it performs like an A57 on non synthetics. It's too dependent on memory intensive applications to flex its muscles

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Investigating NVIDIA's Jetson AGX: A Look at Xavier and Its Carmel Cores

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We will likely not get a switch pro. As others said, main issues with Xavier are the total size of the die and the CPU
 
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ShadowFox08 said:
Reannounced today? they announced it late last year and it had a release date of March 2020. Weird.

We will likely not get a switch pro. As others said, main issues with Xavier are the total size of the die and the CPU
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The chip has been out for a while this is an SBC form factor though.
 
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nah, we want the next iteration for the next Switch, not Xavier. Orin will have Hercules cores (successor to A77, so they're standard ARM, not based on Denver) and manufactured on 7nm process node. A custom 8 core Orin with 512 Ampere CUDA cores and 8GB of LPDDR5 with 128-bit interface would give us something similar to to PS4/Xbox One in a Switch form factor.

Throw in some Tensor cores for good measure to enable DLSS 2.0
 
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Onix555 said:
Been over this multiple times in the Succ thread, but Xavier or any variants will not be used in any Switch products.
I discuss some of the reasons why in this post:
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Based on how tech has progressed since the Switch, how powerful could a Switch Pro in early 2021 actually be?

Does DLSS have good results with older games? Could it allow SNES N64 games to look better on a 4K tv?
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Premature title imo
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This is a weird place to ask but I've seen the term "Succ" on this site so many times now I'm beginning to realize it's some new terminology I'm not familiar with and not some random one off joke. What exactly does it mean?
 
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Bowl0l said:
Nintendo is not going to be chained to Nvidia's ecosystem. We will see the debut of AMD in a handheld, if Samsung's soc can crush Qualcomm's.

We will finally get a full monopoly of AMD in consoles.
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TBH the monopoly was there at the start of the generation : Xbox One, PS4 and Wii U are all based on AMD.
 
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Bowl0l said:
Nintendo is not going to be chained to Nvidia's ecosystem. We will see the debut of AMD in a handheld, if Samsung's soc can crush Qualcomm's.

We will finally get a full monopoly of AMD in consoles.
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They already are. Using Nvidia-specific tools would make native game support difficult if they jumped ship to Samsung
 

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defferoo said:
nah, we want the next iteration for the next Switch, not Xavier. Orin will have Hercules cores (successor to A77, so they're standard ARM, not based on Denver) and manufactured on 7nm process node. A custom 8 core Orin with 512 Ampere CUDA cores and 8GB of LPDDR5 with 128-bit interface would give us something similar to to PS4/Xbox One in a Switch form factor.

Throw in some Tensor cores for good measure to enable DLSS 2.0
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Orin may be 5nm with how far away it is. The next Nintendo system might be using something quite similar to that if so.
 
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