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Lakeside

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Oct 25, 2017
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I made a thread but figured I'd ask here.

I'm looking at picking up a 4K laptop with a RTX 2070 / 2080 max q in Q1 2019.

How hard is it to get 4K / 60 FPS these days? Do you need to turn off AA and scale resolutions down? How effective is that?

Doing actual 4K/60 requires top end desktop parts with a 2080Ti preferred, or a 2080/1080Ti with greater compromise.

With a notebook you will need to render at a lower resolution.
 

jon bones

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Oct 25, 2017
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Doing actual 4K/60 requires top end desktop parts with a 2080Ti preferred, or a 2080/1080Ti with greater compromise.

With a notebook you will need to render at a lower resolution.

How do games look on a 4K screen at lower resolutions? 1440p isn't equially scalable because of the math, right? Is there some compromise where you can get higher than 1080 @ 60 fps with max settings?
 

Vash63

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Oct 28, 2017
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Ugh, sucks that it's still locked to 4k. I think I'd rather a bit of a quality drop to 1440p to see if I could get ~80FPS or so on my 2080. Still this will probably be my preferred way to play though as the quality to framerate ratio is just so good.

How do games look on a 4K screen at lower resolutions? 1440p isn't equially scalable because of the math, right? Is there some compromise where you can get higher than 1080 @ 60 fps with max settings?

It looks great on a 1440p panel, that's my setup and I tried it with the earlier benchmark. Noticeably improved over the standard 1440p.
 

icecold1983

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The only thing where 1080Ti is better than 2080 is VRAM size, and this is rather unlikely to become an issue as both these cards won't be able to maintain 4K+ performance at playable levels for very long - and for anything below that 8GBs won't be an issue. So far we haven't seen even one case where this would result in 1080Ti being considerably faster.

There was 1 title where vram crashed 2080 performance but i cant remember which review showed it or which game it was
 

pulsemyne

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Oct 30, 2017
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Geez the DLSS image is so much better than the normal one. I expected a framerate difference of course but the image quality is the big jump.
 

Serious Sam

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Oct 27, 2017
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Geez the DLSS image is so much better than the normal one. I expected a framerate difference of course but the image quality is the big jump.
????? Even through Youtube's compression it's so obvious that DLSS is upscaling from 1440p (or similar). Jaggies everywhere. Just look at this.

direct link: https://abload.de/img/dlss3rcms.png

dlss3rcms.png
 

GameAddict411

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Oct 26, 2017
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The only thing where 1080Ti is better than 2080 is VRAM size, and this is rather unlikely to become an issue as both these cards won't be able to maintain 4K+ performance at playable levels for very long - and for anything below that 8GBs won't be an issue. So far we haven't seen even one case where this would result in 1080Ti being considerably faster.
Think this is not accurate. There are games with high resolution textures packs that usually go over the vram limit. In fact I was playing shadow of war the other day and it went over my 8GB of vram on my GTX 1080 at 1440p. At 4k it will not be feasible.
 

Vash63

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Oct 28, 2017
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It looks good, while it does have jaggies. Is it upscaling from 1440p to 4K?

Yes, though a bit more complex than that as it's also pulling in data from previous frames and from its ML algorithms with motion vectors to get data from moving objects. It's more than just an upscaler or something like checkerboarding, but the starting image is somewhere around 1440p.
 

vegtro

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Oct 25, 2017
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So with the FFXV DLSS Update, performance is pretty good on average a 10fps boost over TAA, but not sure if SE or Nvidia have to do it, but there is a severe sharpening effect with enabling it.
 

low-G

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel a responsibility, since I complained so much about my Battlefield V RTX crashing so much, to report back that I have resolved my issue.

I upgraded to a i9-9900k rig. That came with a complete Windows reinstall. Also went to a 850W PSU vs 650W. Basically built a new PC except I'm on the same 2080 that was crashing before.

So now I'm crash-free and I'm getting 1080p 60fps without a sweat on ultra, just like I really wanted. Part of that is the excellent patches. So really, major kudos to DICE.
 

dgrdsv

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Oct 25, 2017
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There are games with high resolution textures packs that usually go over the vram limit.
Name one game which does this on an 8GB card right now. Mind you I have an 8GB GTX1080 and I haven't seen it trashing due to VRAM deficit anywhere at all. With 1080Ti performance it is highly likely that you will run into general performance issues before you will run into 8GB VRAM limit.
Mods shouldn't be taken into consideration here as it's really easy to kill even a 24GB Titan with some 16K textures if you want - which doesn't mean anything for either quality or the actual need to do this.
 

fanboi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Question, anyone here have any impression on the Palit GeForce RTX™ 2080 Ti Dual? Can only find GamePro version.

Thinking sound generated etc and general impression.
 

EVA UNIT 01

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Oct 27, 2017
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So i just upgraded to an ultrawide 21:9 monitor at 3440x1440.
My 1080 is keeping most games above 60fps...but some (fallout 4 modded and AC odyssey) are fluctuating around 40-60 depending on area.

Would a 1080ti be a wiser upgrade or should I go for broke with a 2080ti?
Also now that theyve been out a while are there any issues with 2080tis?
Im looking mostly at the MSI trio model
 

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So i just upgraded to an ultrawide 21:9 monitor at 3440x1440.
My 1080 is keeping most games above 60fps...but some (fallout 4 modded and AC odyssey) are fluctuating around 40-60 depending on area.

Would a 1080ti be a wiser upgrade or should I go for broke with a 2080ti?
Also now that theyve been out a while are there any issues with 2080tis?
Im looking mostly at the MSI trio model

I'm also on a 3440x1440 monitor with a 1080Ti (i7 7700k for CPU) and I had to turn a couple of settings down for it to run at a stable 60+.

That game is just super demanding. I'd imagine a 2080 Ti would handle it with relative ease though.
 

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Think I'm going to do a new build next year honestly, I should have held out last time around and not gone with the 7700k. Feeling the effects of a 4-core CPU now. I like to have pretty much everything maxed which makes streaming a pain, especially since running an ultrawide means that even downscaling the res significantly still makes it rough to stream.

My 1080Ti was a wonderful GPU when I was going for 1440p144hz, but the resolution bump for ultrawide high refresh is significant, but I don't want to buy a first gen Nvidia card, especially not at 2080Ti prices.

Waiting to see if Zen 2 is as promising as it seems and the next set of Nvidia GPUs, which I assume will be late 2019.
 

ussjtrunks

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Oct 25, 2017
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Btw guys I've found certain games run way better with max performance instead of optimal power, hitman 50fps vs 150, and csgo jumped like 200fps.
 

Lakeside

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can someone remind me how to cap frame rate gracefully. I saw some 650 fps on load screens and such.
 

GameAddict411

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Oct 26, 2017
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Name one game which does this on an 8GB card right now. Mind you I have an 8GB GTX1080 and I haven't seen it trashing due to VRAM deficit anywhere at all. With 1080Ti performance it is highly likely that you will run into general performance issues before you will run into 8GB VRAM limit.
Mods shouldn't be taken into consideration here as it's really easy to kill even a 24GB Titan with some 16K textures if you want - which doesn't mean anything for either quality or the actual need to do this.
Maybe you should read the rest of my post? I listed shadow of war with it's high resolution texture pack. I am sure there are other games as well who use tons of VRAM.
 

Greatest Ever

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Aug 25, 2018
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I bought a 1080 for $500 in May. I kind of regretted it and didn't open it for months after the 20x0 series came out. But I managed to sell my 980ti to someone I know will use it well, and for that I found opening my 1080 finally worthwhile.

Is a 1080 at $500 a good deal, assuming you weren't willing to go lower in performance? A 1070ti for $300 is dope but I might as well kept my 980ti then. I just couldn't use it that well at 3440 x 1440.
 

TheYanger

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Oct 25, 2017
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Got my 2080 in today, Pleased so far, but BF5 is still downloading so no real showpieces yet aside from everything running like butter at max settings.
 

antitrop

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not happy about my old PC dying a few weeks after Black Friday, but I decided to build a new one with a 2070 and i7-7700K. It will be nice to have everything running at 144fps.

The 970 and i7-2600K I had did me really well for a long time, though. Even with an overclock, that CPU was really starting to show its age.
 

Hace

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I hope you really got a great deal for that 7700k, because choosing that over a 8700k is a bit of a head-scratcher otherwise.
 

Lakeside

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ya, ASUS ROG Maximus IX to Maximus X.

I don't know if there is a price difference, but if you think you ever might want to move forward to an Intel 9 series CPU, I'd consider a Z390 motherboard. It still works fine with the 8700K as well.

The Z370's also work with 9 series, but they have a weaker VRM setup (in general).
 

inner-G

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Oct 27, 2017
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I made a thread but figured I'd ask here.

I'm looking at picking up a 4K laptop with a RTX 2070 / 2080 max q in Q1 2019.

How hard is it to get 4K / 60 FPS these days? Do you need to turn off AA and scale resolutions down? How effective is that?
I think most folks with 4K laptops run AAA games in 1080p. You could run older stuff at 4K or eSports games maybe, but the HUD scaling could be crazy on a 15" 2160p panel at native resolution. Even at 1440p some text and stuff could get really tiny on a laptop display - there's a reason most 1440p monitors are 27"+.
 

jon bones

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think most folks with 4K laptops run AAA games in 1080p. You could run older stuff at 4K or eSports games maybe, but the HUD scaling could be crazy on a 15" 2160p panel at native resolution. Even at 1440p some text and stuff could get really tiny on a laptop display - there's a reason most 1440p monitors are 27"+.

hmm interesting. just feels weird committing to a 1080p laptop in 2018 , but 144hz would still feel very modern
 

TheYanger

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Oct 25, 2017
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hmm interesting. just feels weird committing to a 1080p laptop in 2018 , but 144hz would still feel very modern
Honestly, especially for gaming, you're not going to be running anything modern at 4k with the settings you want from a high end laptop even. The tech is just barely getting there on desktops. I'm not saying you might not want to make some of those tradeoffs, but I bet most people dont'. Give it a few years and it'll be the norm for high end laptops imo
 

Serious Sam

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Oct 27, 2017
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hmm interesting. just feels weird committing to a 1080p laptop in 2018 , but 144hz would still feel very modern
You are just a victim of marketing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with 1080p on 15" laptop. In fact, by default windows recommends to use scaling on a 1080p 15" laptops, because text might be too small for some people. I think 15" 4K laptops are a waste of money. They also tend to have lower battery life than 1080p counterparts. Diminishing returns and all that.