NVIDIA RTX 20 Series Reviews

copelandmaster · Jan 18, 2019

Greebman said:
http://brechpunkt.de/q2vkpt/

Oh shit, my lads.

Other than the hardware RTX support and the denoiser, this seems like a sidegrade compared to the 2016/2017 non RTX Q2 project.
This new one has explosions with color and properly implemented reflective water. But the color scheme is kinda garish (but more true to the base game), and the objects being rendered are all flatly textured. That one window texture in the starting room is not correct at all.
The older one has a higher level of reflectivitiy and every surface has normal mapping. The more subdued color scheme sits with me better. Glass transparency is present, but not representative of realistic glass.

Also, the older one uses the Yamagi Quake 2 base which at runs all the way to 999 fps for me, while this newer on Q2Pro (or at least QuakeIIStarter version I installed, I don't have an RTX card and can't run the compiled Q2VKPT) doesn't want to go over 250fps, even when I force cl_maxfps 1000. Kind of a bugbear when I'm used to playing Q2 at 480hz/fps.

Linus815 · Jan 18, 2019

datamage said:
That's a bummer. Reference card, or?

MSI Gaming Trio.
Didn't even have any overclock applied on it, just left it as is. Annoying part is that it died right before weekend, so I need to wait til monday to start the RMA process.

low-G · Jan 18, 2019

Greebman said:
http://brechpunkt.de/q2vkpt/

Oh shit, my lads.

Yeah I've been enjoying this today. Amazing how much performance increase RTX brings, and denoising is even implemented!

copelandmaster said:
Other than the hardware RTX support and the denoiser, this seems like a sidegrade compared to the 2016/2017 non RTX Q2 project.
This new one has explosions with color and properly implemented reflective water. But the color scheme is kinda garish (but more true to the base game), and the objects being rendered are all flatly textured. That one window texture in the starting room is not correct at all.
The older one has a higher level of reflectivitiy and every surface has normal mapping. The more subdued color scheme sits with me better. Glass transparency is present, but not representative of realistic glass.

Also, the older one uses the Yamagi Quake 2 base which at runs all the way to 999 fps for me, while this newer on Q2Pro (or at least QuakeIIStarter version I installed, I don't have an RTX card and can't run the compiled Q2VKPT) doesn't want to go over 250fps, even when I force cl_maxfps 1000. Kind of a bugbear when I'm used to playing Q2 at 480hz/fps.

It's still the very first version. It doesn't even have particles running yet. But the performance is more than an order of magnitude better. I can trivially play 1080p 60 on my 2080, even 4K is playable, whereas the old version couldn't hit 60fps at 480p... The denoising is also a vital feature.

The level of reflectivity is irrelevant to the performance, but hopefully the developer eventually enables the tweaking of specularity, and lets us toggle the colored lights, among other options in future versions.

fanboi · Jan 18, 2019

Hm, why do I get so low score with this computer?

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/5858355

I have the 2080ti Palit.

EDIT: And Firestrike, https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17936309, which isn't to bad.,

Jersa · Jan 18, 2019

fanboi said:
Hm, why do I get so low score with this computer?

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/5858355

I have the 2080ti Palit.

Your CPU score looks accurate, but that GPU score is pretty low.

copelandmaster · Jan 18, 2019

low-G said:
Yeah I've been enjoying this today. Amazing how much performance increase RTX brings, and denoising is even implemented!

It's still the very first version. It doesn't even have particles running yet. But the performance is more than an order of magnitude better. I can trivially play 1080p 60 on my 2080, even 4K is playable, whereas the old version couldn't hit 60fps at 480p... The denoising is also a vital feature.

The level of reflectivity is irrelevant to the performance, but hopefully the developer eventually enables the tweaking of specularity, and lets us toggle the colored lights, among other options in future versions.

Yep, it performs substantially better - not knocking that in the slightest - and the reflectivity/specularity is just how that version is configured, but not having the added normal mapping is a real bummer.

Aside from that, I'm not sure what your settings are in the older version, but under my custom config in the precompiled version linked from YT I get between 150-300 fps during the time demo @ 640x480 & a flat 1080p30fps on my 1080 Ti.

set gl_pt_ao_color "1"
set gl_pt_ao_enable "0"
set gl_pt_ao_radius "150"
set gl_pt_ao_samples "1"
set gl_pt_bounce_factor "0.75"
set gl_pt_bounces "1"
set gl_pt_brushlights_enable "1"
set gl_pt_brushmodel_shadows_enable "1"
set gl_pt_bump_enable "1"
set gl_pt_bump_factor "0.045"
set gl_pt_depth_prepass_enable "1"
set gl_pt_diffuse_map_enable "1"
set gl_pt_dlights_enable "1"
set gl_pt_enable "1"
set gl_pt_exposure "1.3"
set gl_pt_gamma "2.2"
set gl_pt_light_samples "1"
set gl_pt_lightstyles_enable "1"
set gl_pt_shadow_samples "1"
set gl_pt_sky_enable "1"
set gl_pt_sky_samples "1"
set gl_pt_specular_factor "0.75"
set gl_pt_static_entity_lights_enable "0"
set gl_pt_stats_enable "0"
set gl_pt_taa_enable "0"
set gl_pt_translucent_surfaces_enable "1"

EDIT: oops, gl_pt_ao_enable should be "0"

low-G · Jan 18, 2019

fanboi said:
Hm, why do I get so low score with this computer?

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/5858355

I have the 2080ti Palit.

copelandmaster said:
Yep, it performs substantially better - not knocking that in the slightest - and the reflectivity/specularity is just how that version is configured, but not having the added normal mapping is a real bummer.

Aside from that, I'm not sure what your settings are in the older version, but under my custom config in the precompiled version linked from YT I get between 150-225 fps during the time demo @ 640x480 & a flat 1080p30fps on my 1080 Ti.

set gl_pt_ao_color "1"
set gl_pt_ao_enable "0"
set gl_pt_ao_radius "150"
set gl_pt_ao_samples "1"
set gl_pt_bounce_factor "0.75"
set gl_pt_bounces "1"
set gl_pt_brushlights_enable "1"
set gl_pt_brushmodel_shadows_enable "1"
set gl_pt_bump_enable "1"
set gl_pt_bump_factor "0.045"
set gl_pt_depth_prepass_enable "1"
set gl_pt_diffuse_map_enable "1"
set gl_pt_dlights_enable "1"
set gl_pt_enable "1"
set gl_pt_exposure "1.3"
set gl_pt_gamma "2.2"
set gl_pt_light_samples "1"
set gl_pt_lightstyles_enable "1"
set gl_pt_shadow_samples "1"
set gl_pt_sky_enable "1"
set gl_pt_sky_samples "1"
set gl_pt_specular_factor "0.75"
set gl_pt_static_entity_lights_enable "0"
set gl_pt_stats_enable "0"
set gl_pt_taa_enable "0"
set gl_pt_translucent_surfaces_enable "1"

I'll admit it had been a while since I ran it, and I could never locate this cfg file so I never bothered to get it running on my i9-9900k build before. Yeah it runs better than I recall. I'm running 1024x786 at mostly 60fps on my 2080 now with very similar settings as you have there.

I think there is a certain perceived detail which is being lost or obscured, possibly by the denoising, as the penumbra are far less dramatic in this RTX accelerated version than the original.

There's also the matter of the 'dynamic' light sources which are not enabled in the RTX build, these are little glowy bits which light the scene in original Quake 2 but come from no brush 'light source'.

fanboi · Jan 18, 2019

Mizzourah said:
Your CPU score looks accurate, but that GPU score is pretty low.

What about the firestrike score?

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17936309

Seems decent?

Serious Sam · Jan 18, 2019

Linus815 said:
Aaand its fully dead.

Ok I know some sources said RTX warranty claim rate is no different than previous generations of cards, but I find that very hard to believe. I see way too many people saying their RTX card died on the internet. I've never seen anything like that before.

low-G · Jan 18, 2019

Serious Sam said:
Ok I know some sources said RTX warranty claim rate is no different than previous generations of cards, but I find that very hard to believe. I see way too many people saying their RTX card died on the internet. I've never seen anything like that before.

It's all hearsay vs. legitimate sources at this point, but it does seem odd. There's definitely more Turing trolls than any graphics card generation, so that might amount to the difference. The average failure rate for these components is around 2% typically. X360 had an initial failure rate around 30% (which was an immediate and very large clamor on the net).

fanboi said:
Hm, why do I get so low score with this computer?

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/5858355

I have the 2080ti Palit.

EDIT: And Firestrike, https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17936309, which isn't to bad.,

What's your power supply again? You're less than 1000 points off my 2080 non-Ti score (with a i9-9900k at stock).

fanboi · Jan 18, 2019

low-G said:
It's all hearsay vs. legitimate sources at this point, but it does seem odd. There's definitely more Turing trolls than any graphics card generation, so that might amount to the difference. The average failure rate for these components is around 2% typically. X360 had an initial failure rate around 30% (which was an immediate and very large clamor on the net).

What's your power supply again? You're less than 1000 points off my 2080 non-Ti score (with a i9-9900k at stock).

Have a corsair 750w gold, but the connection to the GPU is via one cable that split into two (one 6 or 8 pin in the PSU and split into two in the GPU)

low-G · Jan 18, 2019

fanboi said:
Have a corsair 750w gold, but the connection to the GPU is via one cable that split into two (one 6 or 8 pin in the PSU and split into two in the GPU)

Yeah I would use two PSU cables for your GPU if only to eliminate that as a possibility.

Do I recall you saying you overclocked to 5.0? You could always try returning your CPU to stock settings (after recording your current working values) just to see if that clears up any potential stability / throttling that could happen.

fanboi · Jan 18, 2019

low-G said:
Yeah I would use two PSU cables for your GPU if only to eliminate that as a possibility.

Do I recall you saying you overclocked to 5.0? You could always try returning your CPU to stock settings (after recording your current working values) just to see if that clears up any potential stability / throttling that could happen.

I have returned all to std.

This is how it looks on the GPU, will try adding a cable.

https://imgur.com/gallery/SQkqOek

low-G · Jan 18, 2019

fanboi said:
I have returned all to std.

This is how it looks on the GPU, will try adding a cable.

https://imgur.com/gallery/SQkqOek

Yeah definitely looks worth adding that PSU cable, doesn't look like you'll have a hard time accessing your PSU to plug it in either (no hassle with shroud or anything).

Linus815 · Jan 18, 2019

Serious Sam said:
Ok I know some sources said RTX warranty claim rate is no different than previous generations of cards, but I find that very hard to believe. I see way too many people saying their RTX card died on the internet. I've never seen anything like that before.

Yeah, the communities I frequent has a lot of RTX cards dying too. I would say something is definitely fishy. Also, my card is quite old too. I was feeling pretty safe, given that most RTX space invader artifact death seem to occur a few days/couple of weeks after the purchase. Well, mine happened a few months later. And it's not like I was going easy on the card either, I was playing lots of demanding games on it.

fanboi · Jan 18, 2019

low-G said:
Yeah definitely looks worth adding that PSU cable, doesn't look like you'll have a hard time accessing your PSU to plug it in either (no hassle with shroud or anything).

Hm, I don't even have an extra cable with the PSU... hmmm... any other suggestions?

low-G · Jan 18, 2019

fanboi said:
Hm, I don't even have an extra cable with the PSU... hmmm...

Well Do NOT grab one from another PSU. Because the pinout on those cables varies from model to model, even within a brand. You could fry something if you use a cable that happens to pinout differently.

PSU should have come with all the needed cables.

fanboi · Jan 18, 2019

low-G said:
Well Do NOT grab one from another PSU. Because the pinout on those cables varies from model to model, even within a brand. You could fry something if you use a cable that happens to pinout differently.

PSU should have come with all the needed cables.

Yeah I read that :D

But what can I do? I have checked the PCIe speed and it is x16 etc.

mordecaii83 · Jan 18, 2019

fanboi said:
Hm, I don't even have an extra cable with the PSU... hmmm... any other suggestions?

You could buy a molex to 8 pin connector. https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-2-Pack-8-Pin-Inches/dp/B01DV1Z428/

myzhi · Jan 18, 2019

fanboi said:
Hm, I don't even have an extra cable with the PSU... hmmm... any other suggestions?

Are you using a monitoring software to see what your boost clock speeds and temps are for your CPU and GPU while benchmarking to rule out throttling. Also, is gsync and vsync disable?

fanboi · Jan 18, 2019

myzhi said:
Are you using a monitoring software to see what your boost clock speeds and temps are for your CPU and GPU while benchmarking to rule out throttling. Also, is gsync and vsync disable?

Gsync off and vsync according to software, will run one more
Time
Now

Lakeside · Jan 18, 2019

Linus815 said:
Yeah, the communities I frequent has a lot of RTX cards dying too. I would say something is definitely fishy. Also, my card is quite old too. I was feeling pretty safe, given that most RTX space invader artifact death seem to occur a few days/couple of weeks after the purchase. Well, mine happened a few months later. And it's not like I was going easy on the card either, I was playing lots of demanding games on it.

I have no doubt that it's ticked higher than usual, but again.. when people start ranting about 3-4 failures in a row I get suspicious. There was a post earlier about an SSD, and I get that for sure.. but people were sending these back early days, and generally at that point you get a new card b/c there is no refurb stock at that point. That's certainly what happened with mine.

fanboi · Jan 18, 2019

Ran it again and got a BSOD related to software... might be that I need to reinstall the computer after mobo change,

Btw is there any specific settings for the fire strike demo you should do? I run it at 1440 P etc

fanboi · Jan 18, 2019

Ran again, same score. I guess the clocks are lower on this card then other 2080ti I think, was on the cheaper end.

Or any other ideas?

Yappa · Jan 18, 2019

Linus815 said:
MSI Gaming Trio.
Didn't even have any overclock applied on it, just left it as is. Annoying part is that it died right before weekend, so I need to wait til monday to start the RMA process.

Had the same card for a few days now, but if it break downs, oh well.
Other than that, how happy were you with the card?

yellow wallpaper · Jan 18, 2019

Returned my 2080xc ultra, then traded an extra gtx1080 card I had lying around plus cash for a 2080ti xc to a friend.
This little turd card is loud as shit while playing odyssey maxed out. I assume there's nothing I can do about the fan noise?

low-G · Jan 18, 2019

yellow wallpaper said:
Returned my 2080xc ultra, then traded an extra gtx1080 card I had lying around plus cash for a 2080ti xc to a friend.
This little turd card is loud as shit while playing odyssey maxed out. I assume there's nothing I can do about the fan noise?

So the XC standard is really that much louder than the XC Ultra? Might not do my XC Ultra -> Ti Black step up if that's the case.

Serious Sam · Jan 18, 2019

yellow wallpaper said:
Returned my 2080xc ultra, then traded an extra gtx1080 card I had lying around plus cash for a 2080ti xc to a friend.
This little turd card is loud as shit while playing odyssey maxed out. I assume there's nothing I can do about the fan noise?

Cooler on a EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC (non Ultra) is way too small for a 2080Ti. You could try undervolting and reducing power limit, that will make the card run cooler and quieter but will also lower performance.

yellow wallpaper · Jan 18, 2019

low-G said:
So the XC standard is really that much louder than the XC Ultra? Might not do my XC Ultra -> Ti Black step up if that's the case.

Only on certain games. Ubisofts games always rev up my gpus. My 2080 ultra was definitely quieter though. I have a meshify case so that doesn't help at all with noise.

Either way I'm happy with the swap, knowing I won't have to upgrade till after next gen consoles release.

Serious Sam said:
Cooler on a EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC (non Ultra) is way too small for a 2080Ti. You could try undervolting and reducing power limit, that will make the card run cooler and quieter but will also lower performance.

Yea I figured. I have a PS4 pro so I'll get used to the noise in no time.

edit. I downloaded precision x and there's a max temp option which lowers the power for you. Just tried it with odyssey and it's so much quieter and runs fine (only @1440p). Thanks for the help!

Lakeside · Jan 18, 2019

That XC Ultra cooler is just nuts. My kids' 2070 model does all kinds of stuff without even turning on the fans.

Deleted member 16452 · Jan 19, 2019

fanboi said:
Ran again, same score. I guess the clocks are lower on this card then other 2080ti I think, was on the cheaper end.

Or any other ideas?

Not sure.

I got curious and just checked my 2080 Ti FE (no OC) and its almost 1000 points ahead of your card :/

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/5863060

fanboi · Jan 19, 2019

So this is how it looks during load when running time spy;

https://imgur.com/gallery/hWyBcHJ

fanboi · Jan 19, 2019

2Bee said:
Not sure.

I got curious and just checked my 2080 Ti FE (no OC) and its almost 1000 points ahead of your card :/

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/5863060

I OC:ed 100 MHz on core and memory, and got better now:

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/5863336

Deleted member 16452 · Jan 19, 2019

fanboi said:
I OC:ed 100 MHz on core and memory, and got better now:

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/5863336

Yea, that looks much better now.

fanboi · Jan 19, 2019

2Bee said:
Yea, that looks much better now.

This Palit card was on the cheaper side, and with lower clocks if I remember.

Hoovering around 77-76C when fully load for awhile, a bit on the high side I guess.

Deleted member 16452 · Jan 19, 2019

fanboi said:
This Palit card was on the cheaper side, and with lower clocks if I remember.

Hoovering around 77-76C when fully load for awhile, a bit on the high side I guess.

I haven't checked how hot it gets during 3dmark, but I know it can go over 80 when I'm playing games in 4k.

These cards run hot.

fanboi · Jan 19, 2019

2Bee said:
I haven't checked how hot it gets during 3dmark, but I know it can go over 80 when I'm playing games in 4k.

These cards run hot.

haha yeah :)

Linus815 · Jan 19, 2019

Yappadappadu said:
Had the same card for a few days now, but if it break downs, oh well.
Other than that, how happy were you with the card?

Yes, I was very happy;it's a great card.

YourFriendLevi · Jan 19, 2019

Would the RTX 2060 be a worthwhile upgrade from a GTX 1060 6GB if I'm looking for a more budget friendly option? $350 is a decent range for me but I want something that can handle 1440p gaming on current titles and raytracing isn't a particular must-have feature for me.

Lakeside · Jan 19, 2019

ClassicLevi said:
Would the RTX 2060 be a worthwhile upgrade from a GTX 1060 6GB if I'm looking for a more budget friendly option? $350 is a decent range for me but I want something that can handle 1440p gaming on current titles and raytracing isn't a particular must-have feature for me.

If you are somewhat happy with the 1060 at 1440p then probably, yes. But I'd personally consider the 2070 to be the minimum for 1440p (in 20 series). If you are patient you can get a 2070 short of $500, so $450 should be a reality soon if not now. I saw a 2080 deal for ~$588 yesterday so deals are out there.

If you are feeling lucky Zotac is selling refurbished 1080 FE's for $350, but the warranty is 90 days.

https://store.zotac.com/refurbished

Deleted member 25042 · Jan 19, 2019

ClassicLevi said:
Would the RTX 2060 be a worthwhile upgrade from a GTX 1060 6GB if I'm looking for a more budget friendly option? $350 is a decent range for me but I want something that can handle 1440p gaming on current titles and raytracing isn't a particular must-have feature for me.

The performance of the 2060 is pretty good for the price.
The fact that it has only 6GB much less so.

ezodagrom · Jan 19, 2019

ClassicLevi said:
Would the RTX 2060 be a worthwhile upgrade from a GTX 1060 6GB if I'm looking for a more budget friendly option? $350 is a decent range for me but I want something that can handle 1440p gaming on current titles and raytracing isn't a particular must-have feature for me.

When comparing to the 10 series, the RTX 2060 is comparable to a 1070 Ti, so it's a pretty nice upgrade.
Do note that the 2060 has higher power consumption than the 1060 (just in case you're not aware), though it does use less power than the 1070 Ti, so it's more efficient than the 10 series cards.

MayorReynoldsTV · Jan 19, 2019

So I bought a Gigabyte variant of the 2060 on Amazon. Does anyone know if it will come with a code for Anthem or BF5 or does that deal only apply directly on Nvidia.com?

YourFriendLevi · Jan 19, 2019

Lakeside said:
If you are somewhat happy with the 1060 at 1440p then probably, yes. But I'd personally consider the 2070 to be the minimum for 1440p (in 20 series). If you are patient you can get a 2070 short of $500, so $450 should be a reality soon if not now. I saw a 2080 deal for ~$588 yesterday so deals are out there.

If you are feeling lucky Zotac is selling refurbished 1080 FE's for $350, but the warranty is 90 days.

https://store.zotac.com/refurbished

Hmm, the refurbished 1080 is tempting.

ezodagrom said:
When comparing to the 10 series, the RTX 2060 is comparable to a 1070 Ti, so it's a pretty nice upgrade.
Do note that the 2060 has higher power consumption than the 1060 (just in case you're not aware), though it does use less power than the 1070 Ti, so it's more efficient than the 10 series cards.

Thanks for the heads up, my current power supply is a 460w.

Lakeside · Jan 19, 2019

ClassicLevi said:
Thanks for the heads up, my current power supply is a 460w.

Yikes! Great pickup by ezodagrom. You will need to address that for any of these cards.

ClassicLevi said:
Hmm, the refurbished 1080 is tempting.

Hey, a thought on this... You'd probably be fine.. just stress the hell out of it for a month or two to make sure it's good to go.. and of course read their policies closely.

But if on the odd chance that it lasts beyond their 90 days but still turns out to be a lemon, broken video cards sell amazingly well on Ebay. I see broken 1080 Ti's sell for ~$400+ and 1080's seem to go for $250+ as well.

ezodagrom · Jan 19, 2019

ClassicLevi said:
Hmm, the refurbished 1080 is tempting.

Thanks for the heads up, my current power supply is a 460w.

Hmm, it would be a good idea to upgrade your power supply as well then, especially if you end up going with a 1080 (which performs a bit better than a RTX 2060).

Timu · Jan 19, 2019

Lakeside said:
If you are somewhat happy with the 1060 at 1440p then probably, yes. But I'd personally consider the 2070 to be the minimum for 1440p (in 20 series). If you are patient you can get a 2070 short of $500, so $450 should be a reality soon if not now. I saw a 2080 deal for ~$588 yesterday so deals are out there.

If you are feeling lucky Zotac is selling refurbished 1080 FE's for $350, but the warranty is 90 days.

https://store.zotac.com/refurbished

A 1070 for 250 bucks??? That's insane!

Andi · Jan 21, 2019

I want i want to run the OC Scanner on my RTX 2080 Trio but I am running into a problem. i have unlocked voltage monitoring and voltage control and also moved on the sliders all the way to the right. I hit the small graph button on the side and a window with a graph curve pops up.I see the OC Scanner button and I can click it but nothing happens after words no new window opens where I cab hit the test button. Any idea what this could be?

signal · Jan 21, 2019

Kyle Cross · Jan 23, 2019

Okay, I need some help. Hopefully someone can assist me here.

I have now been waiting in the EVGA step-up queue for 4 months. I'm stepping up from a 2080 to a 2080 Ti as for the price difference it made no sense not to do it for the boost in performance. This was the only card EVGA allowed you to step up to: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-2282-KR $1,250 and it remains out of stock, which is why I guess I'm stuck in the queue. EVGA now has multiple 2080 Ti's in stock, including this significantly cheaper model: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-2281-KR

So basically, am I just fucked here? I emailed EVGA support a month ago and basically got told "Oh well. Keep waiting."

I should never have bought this 2080... The Ti's were out of stock and I wanted to upgrade and figured I could just step-up through EVGA cause of what good things I heard. I should have just waited, if I had I could buy a 2080 Ti for $1,100 right now. Instead I have to keep waiting for lord knows how much longer and spend MORE.

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