A pretty significant difference.
I believe this is the same as the waifufx thing we had a thread about. Didn't expect Nintendo games to legitimately use it.
Makes these even closer to HD remasters which I imagine would be very valuable
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A pretty significant difference.
I believe this is the same as the waifufx thing we had a thread about. Didn't expect Nintendo games to legitimately use it.
Makes these even closer to HD remasters which I imagine would be very valuable
For developers, I would imagine that perhaps this technology offers a good starting point for artists? Or maybe artists would prefer to be given a blank slate and just the original art?
I'm curious if Nintendo would ever use this and if we'll see these outside of China. I also wonder if these releases are in any way connected to the Switch contract.
I'm curious if Nintendo would ever use this and if we'll see these outside of China. I also wonder if these releases are in any way connected to the Switch contract.
Pretty cool stuff, but it's kind of funny they had to go through the trouble instead of gaining access to the work that was done for the Wii U release.
Would love to see the results on the Wii games that don't have such an option tho.
edit: though looking at Link's clothes it looks like they used a mix of both? Weird...
Would love to see the results on the Wii games that don't have such an option tho.
edit: though looking at Link's clothes it looks like they used a mix of both? Weird...
Yup, it works wonders for the most part.
If you're interested in this kind of thing, check out this massive thread here.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai...for-older-games-you-can-do-it-yourself.88272/
The SM64 stuff in particular is nothing short of amazing. I've found that the an interpolation between Manga109-ESRGAN produces the best results.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127379
If you're interested in this kind of thing, check out this massive thread here.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai...for-older-games-you-can-do-it-yourself.88272/
The SM64 stuff in particular is nothing short of amazing. I've found that the an interpolation between Manga109-ESRGAN produces the best results.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127379
I have a feeling that there will be an absolute deluge of “remasters” like this over the course of this year, both official and fan-made
Unrelated but I wonder if we will start seeing remasters of animated movies at some point. I just watched Monsters Inc and it looks pretty dated.
Hopefully Nintendo does this as well when they add Wii and GameCube games to their online subscription service in 5 years.
I was able to do Psychonauts in a day for the most part lol
Huh; I didn't expect this stuff to be used for a Nintendo game so soon. Hopefully they use this for whenever they re-release N64/GC/Wii games on the Switch.
Speaking of which, can they PLEASE bring these Shield Wii ports to the Switch sometime soon?
Speaking of which, can they PLEASE bring these Shield Wii ports to the Switch sometime soon?
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I'm thinking Nintendo gave them a year exclusivity while they work on the emulator.
Hopefully that means we'll start getting this soon on switch.
Thought it was a bit nuts that the weren't remastering wii/gamecube games, just sticking with Wii U, but this might be why?
Hopefully that means we'll start getting this soon on switch.
Thought it was a bit nuts that the weren't remastering wii/gamecube games, just sticking with Wii U, but this might be why?
That would be great if that was the reason Nintendo has been holding out on 3D virtual console titles. If they combined this tech with some resolution boosts, they’d create a pretty quick and cheap value proposition
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I'm not sure if it'll be great to use on N64. The second pic is great as it's a sky box, but the high quality textures likely don't mesh well with low poly models. Though maybe it's the render used in that OOT comparisonYup, it works wonders for the most part.
If you're interested in this kind of thing, check out this massive thread here.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai...for-older-games-you-can-do-it-yourself.88272/
The SM64 stuff in particular is nothing short of amazing. I've found that the an interpolation between Manga109-ESRGAN produces the best results.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127379
Since those Shield ports released in December 2017 (besides Mario Galaxy; that was March 2018), do you think we could hear about a Switch release fairly soon? Maybe not in the expected January Direct, but maybe in a Spring Direct?
I don't get how the supposed machine learning thingy screenshot uses elements from the HD Wii U version? Look at those holes in the green fabric on his shoulders. Seems weird it did that itself.
edit: unless it "learned" by looking at ripped TP HD assets online.
edit: unless it "learned" by looking at ripped TP HD assets online.
The HD version might have just used upresed assets, which the AI could closely mimic when it does it's upscaling
Yeah, that's a bit weird. Maybe this detail was always in the original texture file, just not really visible when rendered in low resolution on the Wii/GC.
The NN may be capable of recovering some detail by itself (as seen in the thread that was already linked by someone above) but that specific texture really looks exactly the same as the HD remaster one, not something totally redone by the NN.
Nintendo needs to use this for GameCube and Wii remasters on switch
Would be great for metroid prime trilogy
Would be great for metroid prime trilogy
Is this perhaps the first time we've seen a filter that has more of a "universal" praise than what we've seen various emulators try to do with filtering? Like, I know some people even argue about bilinear filtering on images, and there seems to be radical hate against HQx and XBRx filtering, but this kinda stuff looks so good you can re-release games just touched up by this and cleaned up after by hand and get much more interesting results than having it fully redone by hand.
Says a lot about how "automation can't impact art" too. ;)
Says a lot about how "automation can't impact art" too. ;)
damn why not on switch ? its the same hardware (does this count as port begging?)
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I’m not sure how much impact the texture have on running the game, but the original ran better than the Wii U remaster.
Presumably, NVIDIA’s emulator is for both Wii and GCN games as it seems like TP is from the GameCube release but there are also Wii games.
This opens the door for a lot of games to come over:
Luigi’s Mansion didn’t get a switch port. Cleaned up texture and 1080p output would be really nice for that.
Mario Sunshine hasn’t been made available in awhile, not sure if that game has issues with textures but it could still clean up.
Issue would be with the Zeldas. TPHD can take it or leave it, doesn’t change too much and this could look nicer.
WWHD should probably get a port, tho.
Biggest issue would be Skyward Sword. It needs some major updates, I think. Not sure messing with an emulated version would be the best way of handling that.
The N64 games are a curious case, they upped the polygon count, look and play better too.
Guess Grezzo Can port them? Cleaning the textures up would help quite a bit too.
But, depending on what Nintendo could do they could branch out to 3DS games as well.
Kid Icarus with deep learning AI textures would likely look quite nice.
Presumably, NVIDIA’s emulator is for both Wii and GCN games as it seems like TP is from the GameCube release but there are also Wii games.
This opens the door for a lot of games to come over:
Luigi’s Mansion didn’t get a switch port. Cleaned up texture and 1080p output would be really nice for that.
Mario Sunshine hasn’t been made available in awhile, not sure if that game has issues with textures but it could still clean up.
Issue would be with the Zeldas. TPHD can take it or leave it, doesn’t change too much and this could look nicer.
WWHD should probably get a port, tho.
Biggest issue would be Skyward Sword. It needs some major updates, I think. Not sure messing with an emulated version would be the best way of handling that.
The N64 games are a curious case, they upped the polygon count, look and play better too.
Guess Grezzo Can port them? Cleaning the textures up would help quite a bit too.
But, depending on what Nintendo could do they could branch out to 3DS games as well.
Kid Icarus with deep learning AI textures would likely look quite nice.
They can’t be putting in all this work just for Shield stuff right? These have to come to the Switch at some point.
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I believe Platinum and Ubisoft used AI for bug fixes.
AI can probably help develop games going forward.
There was a good video a few months ago, can’t seem to find it, however
I'm just picturing Metroid Prime collection using this *drooling
I want this kind of thing to be standard in the next gen, the same way you can play some 360 games in sweet 4K if you've got a 1X and the original disk. (Which I realize isn't a magical automatic process, but still.)
Surely this is possible?
Surely this is possible?
You'd need an AI that understands transparency, but no reason we couldn't see this as an auto process in the near future
It would be a minor revolution in the realm of backward compatibility. Imagine revisiting all your classic favorites with updated textures.
Kinda pointless, textures are made at resolutions beyond 4K, the trick is not deleting them & offering compressed 4K textures as an option.
Really if devs kept all their data for say PS4 games, you could port Bloodborne to PS5 with 4K textures without too much effort, but i wouldn't be surprised if even in 2015 BB's source textures got deleted.
They should use the power of the cloud or whatever to store all their datas. I know all about technology and I'm sure this must be a thing. Keep all the textures in the clouds so we can have them.
Really though, you'd think devs would want to preserve their hard work in its best possible form.
Maybe this is why they’re waiting to make these available on switch? Just seems so weird they aren’t there
If deep learning can be implemented on the Switch, that would be amazing.
Also, if TP HD ever gets to the Switch, they need to upgrade textures in everything. It's very inconsistent with furniture and some enemies.. besides thst, upgrading some polygons for some items, especially character faces and hair should be implemented. Link's hair in TP HD on Wii u with GameCube quality looks awfu.l
Also, if TP HD ever gets to the Switch, they need to upgrade textures in everything. It's very inconsistent with furniture and some enemies.. besides thst, upgrading some polygons for some items, especially character faces and hair should be implemented. Link's hair in TP HD on Wii u with GameCube quality looks awfu.l
For Microsoft it would actually be easy to get their devs to store source code/data in their absolute massive cloud servers, maybe not quite for Sony though, to cut down costs devs likely just delete it all.
I do agree that there are many rough edges as this is a pretty old game at this point, but they will more than likely not remaster the game again just for the Switch/Shield. It will always be the same game with the same models (polygons) as the original, no matter what is being used to make the textures look better. Some remasters got updated models, but if they didn't really touch that the first time around, they won't be doing it now.
Also, the deep learning itself does not need to be implemented on the Switch or any machine that's supposed to just run these games. This process is automatically done for every single texture file in the game in a "normal" pc beforehand. It's basically just a texture replacement, but a pretty competent one at that, considering it's all done by the AI and the results are comparable to the actual HD remaster.
