btw if 12tf rdna2 xsx is around 2080 level in gears performance increase per teraflop on rdna2 is probably marginal and close to rdna1
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NX Gamer: PS5 Full Spec Analysis | A new generation is Born
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That's a contentious statement given Crysis was large (and the best looking for its time) open sandbox of a world. It's not Gamebryo though ;P
Because it would vary. It would not be at a static level as your graph shows. I honestly don't know if you are trolling me or not, but I don't think we can get any further with this. Anyway, thanks for the link to the Anandtech review, it contained very useful data.
It's an overclocked model. It's meant to run at that high clock. No, I'm not trolling you but I feel like you are. I keep bringing concrete evidences that you either don't read or only keep what you want to run some weird calculations that wont translate to gain in performances. You want your 10.3 Tflops RX 5700 XT ? You have it. It's 18% away from a 2080 during gaming. If facts dont suit you, well, you can still push them aside and go back to making crazy theories.
Those hard drives were even running in raid 0, it's crazy that they would perform even worse without it.
Both machines will be fine. XSX is the better machine, but both are close enough to make it the closest generation gap we've ever seen. Ultimately, this gen is gonna come down to the games. PS5 will have some of those nice PlayStation exclusives, but Xbox Game Studios is starting to make great strides as well. Both will be brilliant.
That was will better lighting than on ultra and unoptimized.
NX Gamer: PS5 Full Spec Analysis | A new generation is Born
It's unlikely that we'll see huge strides in lossless compression. Just a couple of percent more would be considered pretty revolutionary. Kraken is absurdly good already, and it sounds like it's largely baked into the hardware design, so that's what it's likely to remain as. The sorts of...
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Thank you for the detailed reply. In my opinion your conclusions do not take into account the realities of the PC market and the average PC gamer's upgrade pattern which is much different than the console one. PC gamers do not upgrade at fixed intervals because the release of new hardware doesn't cut off access to games the way next-gen exclusives do on a console. Not to mention that 20xx series adoption rate is low because their main selling point, RTX, was only useful in a handful of games.
NX Gamer: PS5 Full Spec Analysis | A new generation is Born
It's unlikely that we'll see huge strides in lossless compression. Just a couple of percent more would be considered pretty revolutionary. Kraken is absurdly good already, and it sounds like it's largely baked into the hardware design, so that's what it's likely to remain as. The sorts of...
The crazy thing is that's with a 2 week simple port not using any new features on the XSX it's performing like a 2080 so imagine what devs can do years going further into the features and whole teams coding a engine to it
for sure 2080 level in nextgen console is very impressive, sad we have to wait long time for proper xsx exclusive without xone burden
Yup... I think what is really impressive gong from RDNA1 to RDNA2 is the power consumption. Its a more efficient chip.. oh and has RT stuff.
NX Gamer: PS5 Full Spec Analysis | A new generation is Born
It's unlikely that we'll see huge strides in lossless compression. Just a couple of percent more would be considered pretty revolutionary. Kraken is absurdly good already, and it sounds like it's largely baked into the hardware design, so that's what it's likely to remain as. The sorts of...
I had watched the video and that was the conclusion I had reached. Guess I was wrong.
The efficiency is 50% better than RDNA 1. This is more than a marginal increase in Tflops over Previous gen. 50% improvement per watt Vs RDNA 1 will yield big gains. Nvidia will have competition finally. Just wrap your head around the fact AMD has APU's that compete with top END PC's. 2.23GHz on the GPU is impressive for any GPU much less one in small form factor(Console) 12Tflops performing like 2080(Gears 5) and unoptimized(not using any RDNA 2 features) Ya there is a big jump from first Gen RDNA.
Now just imaging how powerful the PC GPU's based on RDNA 2 will be.
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sometimes I wonder what the point of RDNA1, but it did bring AMD's name back and make people excited for RDNA2
But games on current gen have to keep every asset they may need within the next 30 seconds on the RAM. Next-gen, they only need assets to be there for the next few seconds which greatly relieves the RAM since it never has to store anything that won't be used in the next few seconds. So even though it's only 14ish GB of RAM, they basically will always have access to all 14GB unlike the current gen.
False. The 4.8GB/s figure includes BCPack as part of the typical rate.
False. The 22GB/s figure assumes a perfect compression rate of 4:1 for the assets being read at 5.5GB/s expanding to 22GB/s.
What is the likelihood of this actually happening? Would it be possible for developers to use smart programming or game design to try and maximise it?
Yeah, no mention of it at the AMD FAD. I assume <10% if any.
There's nothing like trying to get a product to market to find out where the limiting factors and flaws are. Shipping RDNA1 is almost certainly what taught them important lessons they needed to finish work on RDNA2. Progress in technology is almost never along a straight line from where you were to where you need to be.
Why do people keep misquoting what BCPack is?
BCPack is a texture compression format. It does not make the IO any faster than it is, it makes texture compression better so you can fit more texture per second through the IO when compressed, the IO speed does not change. The 6GB/s theoretical max does not change, what you can fit through it changes when you have a good compression ratio.
And BCPack is totally taken into consideration when giving the theoretical max throughput otherwise the number would be higher. That is why they said 4.8GB compressed even though the IO has a max theoretical of 6GB/s.
It will be interesting to see the IPC delta between RDA1 and 2. Of course, it's going to be somewhat muddy if commercial RDNA2 cards end up being fabricated on N7+ as opposed PS5 and XSX's N7P platform.
I don't think the discrete cards coming later this year will be on 7nm+. Expecting N7P. There could and likely will be other differences though.
both Sony and MS say they're using "custom" RDNA2 gpus, so there are probably some rather large differences, but who knows what
yep. if the 12.1 tflops console is offering performance thats equivalent to 11.4 turing tflops, we can assume very little gains.
thats assuming the 12.1 rdna 2.0 tflops gpu is running at max clocks all the time. the 9.7 tflops 5700xt is actually running games at lower clocks which effectively makes it 9.3 tflops. gears on my rtx 2080 runs at a constant 1950 mhz when running the benchmark tool which comes out to be 11.4 tflops.
this should put the ps5 around 2070 super if it maintains those 2.23 ghz clocks.
This a non final devkit with unfinished API and maybe not the final hardware. The final devkit are supposed to arrive in June.
I'm hoping Monster Hunter world looks like that. That would be amazing..
I would say highly unlikely because not all data type compresses the same. And even at that, there is a mixture of data types in any transfer so there would be some stuff that could compress really well and others that can't. Sony and MS gave that 8GB/s-9GB/s and 4.8GB/s respectively numbers for a reason. The 6GB/s and 22GB/s thingy is just a PR theoretical max as far as I am concerned. Depicting levels of compression that isn't quite possible just yet.
I would say a good indication would be game sizes.
Speaking of sizes though, I think we would benefit from total removal of "in-engine" cinematics stored as video files and usually used to hide loading since everything would likely be done in-engine and real-time on the hardware this time around.
Oh god, yes. CGI cutscenes might still have something of a place (though I still dislike their severe limitations like not being able to change character and weapon models and such), but 1080p30 in-engine videos that look like compressed shit, take up disc space and are made to hide loading? Burn them all, and salt the earth where they stood.
You will obviously not unload the whole OS, just the memory hungry parts of it, aka the UI.
As it stands they went from making videos using full-on CGI, to making "in-engine videos" that they use as cutscenes. either way, they are data hogs. Now we would see more of in-engine cinematic running in real-time, no reason to still be putting video files on the disc unless their cutscene is totally unrelated to the actual in-game scenario... like doing a back story of sorts or something.
Yup... 5GB/s second isn't enough to run the OS, but its definitely enough to load it in and out quickly. If XSX can make do with a 2.5GB of RAM OS reserve, then the PS5 can make do with a 1GB reserve. And be able to move like 4GB of data into RAM in like 0.50 seconds.
I would be shocked if sony doesn't do something like that.
For me, it's not the fidelity that is striking. Rather, it is the animation. Look at the hit reaction as well as how locomotion and movement is determined by the footing of the creature and mass- it simply does slide from place to place.
This generation did not see a commensurate increase for animation quality like it did with fidelity (barring exceptions, like Death Stranding where human foes had some of the best animations to day). It is both sad and interesting that I still remember KZ2, a PS3 game, that featured great foe animations and esp. hit reactions which still have not been surpassed to this day.
Here's hoping next gen delivers on that front.
I agree with you 100%. I'm hoping that we see KZ2 type of complex animation from third-party developers and the next generation to come. The hardware is there so there's no excuse there.
In practice, I expect PS5 to perform around 2080TI level and SeX to slightly exceed that , thanks to the usual console optimization bonus.
The introduction of new consoles will basically be: "This is what a game looks like when built with high end PC specs as a baseline". It will be dope.
I have generally seen a significant lack of imagination here regarding how the new fast and dream-level SSDs will be used to revolutionize game design.
This leads me to believe a similar phenomenon will happen among the dev community and the SSD will go under-used for many years to come. I don't remember seeing UE4 or Unity demos showing new awesome PCIE3 or PCIE4 NVME-exclusive techniques.
The only console optimization bonus this generation we saw on cpu, gpu behaved similarly to their desktop's equivalent in same/close graphic setup.
I expect big budget next gen games to look way better than that. WAY BETTER
You should check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDO-UHZebV4&t=4m40s
You need a 2450mhz 5700xt, which means it's a 12.5 TF GPU, to match a 2080. Probably heavily bandwidth limited but the PS5 will have even less bandwidth available as it needs to share.
You're going to be disappointed if you think either are going to perform better or equal to a 2080ti.
This as a baseline for animation, interactivity, physics, and LOD would be amazing.
His point is not that the PS5 would match the 2080 TF wise, but that with the usual slew of console optimizations and consoles having a history of punching well above their weight. The PS5 with its 10.3TF GPU would end up eeking out performance equivalent to a 2080. So basically a 10.3TF console GPU would perform like a 12.5TF CPU GPU. And a 12TF console GPU would perform like a 13.5/14TF CPU GPU.
Obviously, my numbers are just estimates, but I am at least certain that consoles have (and likely will) always punched above their weight. You simply can't take a 10.TF console GPU and pair it with a 10TF CPU GPU and expect the same results.
While I love how it looks, I am not gonna get my hopes up. I just don't trust devs anymore when it comes to stuff like this. I would believe it when you show me someone playing it or when its coming from a studio that I know I can trust.
I am still waiting for deep down... 7 years later.
the current gen is actually more off the shelf then any gen so it's not best to compare it with upcoming generation