It's one guy and he's pretty objective. Gave the same deep dive for the Series X and gives credit where credit is due.
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NX Gamer: PS5 Full Spec Analysis | A new generation is Born
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The PS5 GPU would very rarely fluctuate more than 50mhz (from 2230mhz) as he sees it so that 10.3TF is pretty dead-on steady performance.
Sony will REALLY have to come out and reinstate this multiple times (if its true).
Sony should have hired someone like this guy to reveal the specs, the way he explains things is much clearer. Cerny is 100 years in the future.
As NXGamer stated in the video, the presentation was initially for developers (GDC), so their understanding of these things is going to be more in-depth, hence some of the feedback we've seen on social media and elsewhere from actual devs and tech guys.
Are people praising him because he has technical knowledge or because it fits what they believe?
Honest question, I want to see this video but I don't want another MisterXMedia situation.
Honest question, I want to see this video but I don't want another MisterXMedia situation.
Most of the 1st party games I've played on my PS4 Pro look better than anything I've played on my One X so I'd say the TF count doesn't matter too much- especially because all of Microsoft's stuff will be cross gen for the foreseeable future anyway.
It seems that Cerny has made a calculated gamble that a slightly weaker GPU wont be so noticable if you can optimise the rest of your system enough and get every drop out of your silicon, thus saving you a few bucks and selling the console a bit cheaper perhaps. And he is envisioning that the SSD will be a bigger differentiating factor for next gen than marginal gains in resolution and frame rate. Whether his gamble pays off remains to be seen, but I imagine a lot of his thinking is revolving around building the best system that allows their first party developers to do amazing things and not worrying so much about not always having the best version of multipats. I think exclusives will be the real battleground for these consoles, especially now that MS is investing in first party in a big way.
ive been watching him for years, he produces very high quality gaming tech content, is completely independent and always positive and informative.
Lol at comparing NXGamer to MisterXMedia. NXGamer has not only worked on (smaller) games, but presently works in programming, IT and hardware construction. His experience in the field is light years ahead of any of the MisterXMedia fanboy fodder types. He's closer to something like Digital Foundry.
That doesn't mean he, or John or anyone at DF for that matter, is going to know everything or can't make mistakes.
Guys MisterxMedia believed that Xbox One had a dual GPU. Fuck sake lmao.
Looking forward to seeing how this direction they're going in pays off, because right now the PS5 comes off as the more interesting piece of hardware. Their SSD and 3D Audio have incredible potential, I expect Sony 1st party games to be the more impressive of the two. I'm torn between the two because XSX has Game Pass, but I can see myself getting the PS5 and upgrading my PC since every Xbox exclusive will be on there.
That's where I'm at. PS5 and PC.
The audio/HTRF thing combined with frequent rumours of some sort of Silent Hill coming from Sony is enough for me to believe this isn't Sony just shooting in the dark but rather they're actually having stuff planned for their spec choices.
The audio/HTRF thing combined with frequent rumours of some sort of Silent Hill coming from Sony is enough for me to believe this isn't Sony just shooting in the dark but rather they're actually having stuff planned for their spec choices.
NXGamer is legit. He's been doing excellent technical analysis for years.
Comparing him to MisterX - someone who doesn't understand technology and spins fairy tails from thin air - is ludicrous.
I'm trying to avoid the confirmation bias myself. The road to Ps4 was great, Ps4 was great. I do believe in Cerny's work but at the same time I'm doing my best to not seek only infos that confirm my beliefs.
I said Mr X Media name just as a joke, I remember him saying that MS itself was hiding the true power, even when executives said that there was no secret gpu.
Back in an early speculation thread I said I wanted the two consoles to be either identical or different enough that comparisons are interesting.
Happy we got option B. Will certainly make DF and NX videos worth a watch. We also might see some very different solutions to similar problems in the exclusive software. Exciting.
The DF guys pointed out that all Xbox 1st party games are cross gen. So Series X won't have any console exclusives to start (IE games built from the ground up that depend on Series X high specs and SSD read speeds), only ecosystem exclusives running at the highest performance levels.
My take here is that both PS5 and Sex are very very good machines.
Sex will have more power for sure and multiplaforms games will perform better. How much ? Hard to tell. Difference between PS4 / One was over 30% , difference between Pro and X was over 40% in terms of gpu power. The difference between PS5 and Sex is going to be around 15 and 17 % so...
Great video, it was very informative and I liked the theory about the OS being cached on the SSD. Back when ReRAM was still being discussed I had pondered whether they could just run the OS from ReRAM, freeing up the actual RAM for the games. It was pointed out to me that ReRAM would still be too slow, but I never thought about the possibility that a tiny bit of the OS could run in the RAM and the rest just gets dumped into the SSD.
Hmm, the OS would still have to manage network connectivity, monitor your friends, what they're playing, chat, background music... how much actual RAM would still be needed to manage that? I assume the portion being sent to the SSD would be "suspended" until it was needed so that portion couldn't run any actual functions in that state, or could it?
Anyways, I look forward to more knowledgeable people discussing this :)
Hmm, the OS would still have to manage network connectivity, monitor your friends, what they're playing, chat, background music... how much actual RAM would still be needed to manage that? I assume the portion being sent to the SSD would be "suspended" until it was needed so that portion couldn't run any actual functions in that state, or could it?
Anyways, I look forward to more knowledgeable people discussing this :)
While that's true we don't know how they might approach it.
You could have a dev design and develop a game exclusively for XSX and then have a second dev port it to other systems. MS have done similar things before.
I think that's the remaining 0.5GB is assigned for keeping running (in his theory).
I wouldn't go as far as he took it with his 500MB OSreserve theory, But I can see them getting away with a 1GB OS reserve. All that needs to sit in that 1GB is some UI stuff and services stuff. Those aren't typically memory heavy even though there can be quite a bit of them.
Aren't we all?
I'm not sure if that's just a random number or if he had reason to choose it because he feels it would be sufficient.
No idea. I was told ReRAM, which is even faster than the PS5 SSD would not be sufficient to run OS functions, but it's entirely possible whoever said that might have been mistaken.
Nifty. Yeah, even if it's just a bit more than 0.5 GB it would still be nice to have more RAM dedicated to the games.
MS had a better technical presentation methinksThe more I learn about the PS5 the more impressive it sounds. Sony really did a terrible job with that presentation.
That is fascinating has Sony actually confirmed they can and are going to do that though.
This was easily the best breakdown yet. So pretty much both consoles will have their advantages.
Pretty excited to see where the industry is after a couple years, I truly hope the consoles push everyone forward, consoles being so strong like the X will bring down price to performance for everyone whereas the ssd tech in the PlayStation will hopefully effectively kill the hard drive for games on pc leaving that bottleneck behind forever.
Hopefully the sound engineering and chips from both pushes everyone forward and become anew standard, sound always gets overlooked with other gimmicks of hardware and it ain't right. Bring back sound cards!!!
Hopefully the sound engineering and chips from both pushes everyone forward and become anew standard, sound always gets overlooked with other gimmicks of hardware and it ain't right. Bring back sound cards!!!
Definitely worth watching. Better than the DF PS5 video in the technical detail and explanation. Only major area he doesn't cover is audio.
Sony has not confirmed this, it's a theory that NXGamer put forward. I'm guessing to explain why the PS5 has a single pool of memory instead of a split pool that most people thought they'd have prior to the announcements and like the XSX has. If the OS can be loaded into the RAM in half a second by the SSD then there's not much need to lock 3-4 GB of RAM to the OS at all times.
Why would you insult someone so badly when you don't even know him yet..... ;P
Wasn't it the other way around? PS4/XO 40% and the Pro/X 30%.
I've heard other people use other examples that say the SSD will free up ram when stream things like textures, so you can potentially have higher res textures since you will have more ram to work with. I'm no dev so these type of things go way over my head, so hopefully sony will show gameplay soon that will actually show what the system is capable of. 12.1 will always be better than 10.2, so resolution and raytracing will always be better on xbox, but the SSD on PS5 can potentially show a bigger difference when it comes to making games, and maybe even better looking games.
Keeping the majority of the OS on the SSD sounds like a bit of stretch. It would add almost a second of load time anytime you need to access it (moving part of the game to the SSD and moving the OS to the RAM). I really think if this was something Sony were doing, Cerny would've mentioned it.
Or they could just show the games and let them speak for themselves?
First off he didn't really say much about their RAM... secondly, itsot a stretch at all.
Especially when you can potentially move up t 5.5GB/s. Andall they would need to be moving whenyou bring the OSto the front is like 1GB...
Imagine that the OS reserve is 1GB. That has UI elements for in-game menu and APIs for all supported IGM OS functions along with your services and lastly, a screenshot of sorts of your last Homescreen instance. Once you hit the home button,in the quarter second it takes to bring that home screen screenshot to the front end 1GB+ of the OS is load back into RAMmaking your current state active and navigatable while in the rest of it loads into RAM.
Its totally doable, Hugh I feel at least 2GB would be reserved, not even 1GB and definitely not only 500MB.
Every game should have a GPU clock counter in the corner as well. Ya know, for the consumer.
Are people really thinking that variable frequencies is new thing?
Since you didn't watch the video, why do you care? Also, what "gap" do you presume will not be closed by the claim?
Apparently anybody saying anything positive about the PS5 means they are a shill and on Sony's payroll.
The dude clearly states they're an Xbox guy, so why come in here to say anything? Unless you feel insecure about your plastic box and have to say something with some language to make yourself feel like a big boy.
Yeah we are all surprised about the variable frequency but you are the one and only enlightened that figured it is actually something that already exists. Thanks for opening our eyes!