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NY Post cover on Ilhan and 9/11 sparks chaos on twitter
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Yes, everyone understood that you inflated the importance of an event so you could better attack a Muslim for not inflating the importance of the event enough.
I didn't mean to imply that I think people should acquiesce to the bullshit, just that breaking taboos necessarily means offending people, even some you might ordinarily be allies with. But I think it's important to both challenge these people and give them room to grow.
I feel like i'm going crazy in this thread. How am I "inflating" the importance of 9/11?
And for that matter how did I attack her?
Okay. I'm a white male and if I described 9-11 as "some people did something" I would likely be called on that statement for downplaying what actually happened. No, Omar does not have a special responsibility in how she describes it but ANYONE should be called to task if they downplay what actually happened, whether they're black, white, whatever.
But that's not the topic at hand I suppose. What the post has done is far, far worse than Omar's words in describing 9-11. They have a special responsibility in reporting, or they should.
We cannot discuss both points in this thread because one is far worse and that's what everyone is going to focus on
You literally just admitted to inflating its importance in your last post.
The ones that didn't support her on other statements and even voted up a bill in response? If they aren't going to support her with that they aren't going to support her with a career suicide move.
Seriously, quit even allowing for the idea that she wasn't respectful enough of 9/11. The context makes it very obvious that she was using appropriate words to concisely put across her actual point. The amount of respect she has or was displaying for 9/11 is completely, flat-out, 100% irrelevant here; even having that conversation is giving credence to the fraudulent conservative narrative. They contrived this out of thin air.
That's not what I said. I feel like this is going to turn into a back-and-forth further derailing of this thread so I'm just going to bow out now. Because for the record I agree with this, especially the bolded part:
Edit: It's late in the day but I see what you're saying, nemoral. I did not intend to inflate the importance of 9/11. I actually struggle to understand how one could even do that. I guess what I was getting at by most traumatizing is the aspect of 9/11 that used to make it unique: that it was broadcast for everyone to see in excruciating detail, nonstop, for weeks on end. But yeah I'm going to walk back that claim because at the end of the day how could you begin to prove it? And again, what does it matter to the point I was making? The point is that it's a sensitive topic for many people, which makes the actions of the Post and others even more dangerous and despicable.
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The US has entered into some bizarro fucked up period..who knew the Bush era would seem more sane than what we see today. These fuckers are straight up trying to hurt Ilhan
Or arguing in bad faith which is how this whole thing blew up in the first place. Look at the history of the "imam" that Crenshaw was retweeting.
As I mentioned in the other thread, the front page is abhorrent. Regardless of my feelings on Omar's comments, the Post should be ashamed of themselves for that.
Then again it's been a rag for a long time, so shouldn't be too surprised.
Then again it's been a rag for a long time, so shouldn't be too surprised.
If what you were saying was just "9/11 was something some people did" and left it at that, then people WILL look at you funny. Because we understand how bad it was.
If what you're saying is "9/11 was something some people did" when you're reffering to wether or not the entirety of the Muslim people are to blame, then it takes on a completely different meaning.
This is exactly it. Some people can't even begin to grasp what she was actually saying because the assumption is that she was talking about "terrorists", which misses the point very fundamentally.
If you replaced what she said with what they want to hear, the result would be nonsensical. She phrased it that way for a reason, and that reason very specifically had nothing to do with 9/11 itself.
I mean, when republicans call out republicans terrorists as exactly that, I will say what she said is an issue.
As long white nationalist gop cunts freely dance around the fact that they are radicalizing domestic terrorists, I ain't going to say shit about what she said.
As long white nationalist gop cunts freely dance around the fact that they are radicalizing domestic terrorists, I ain't going to say shit about what she said.
Post is the very definition of a rag. Not even fit to wipe my ass with. Fucking disgusting disgrace to actual journalism. We know the GOP will be racist shitheads when given a chance, but unsurprisingly disappointed in all these Dems who fail to defend her. Really showing their true colors with this shit.
We're all internet randos in here, Terminus.
I don't personally think that anything Rep. Ilhan has said is offensive at all, but if someone else was honestly offended they should be allowed to say so without being attacked by Jacobins like you.
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You expect this from gop but when some liberals and progressives do this it creates the narrative that she is the lightning rod for gop and a headache for Dems. A headache because some dems are using their conscious or subconscious bigotry and applying it to her every news with a "but" in their comments on the event
It's only a muslim woman. Why would they bother lifting a finger?
Yes, and it happened because there are people twisting and scrutinizing her words to give them malicious intent that wasn't there and along came people like you who, instead of calling them out, nodded sagely along and whispering under your breath, "she deserved it."
She's going to get assassinated at this point, and that's clearly exactly what they would all love to happen. If Trump gets re-elected America is going to be a very dark place after a few more years of this. That's guaranteed regardless at this point quite frankly. The bad guys keep winning. Urgh.
In no way does she deserve any of this shit. What the fuck is this? You think that I think she deserves that NY Post cover or the shit coverage from Fox News where they question if she's American?
All because I said that it was moronic to refer to 9/11 as "some people who did some things"? Stop putting words in my mouth.
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It feels misplaced since this is a thread about a headline that honestly seems like an attempt to put her life in danger, and people are scolding her for it.
It feels misplaced since this is a thread about a headline that honestly seems like an attempt to put her life in danger, and people are scolding her for it.
Disgusting and dangerous. Just like the people in this thread.
It is. And it's only just begun.
Nah. It's always been like this.
You're amplifying their message by fixating so strongly on what you think she should have said instead of focusing on the stuff that people like the fuckwits in the NY Post were doing. You're making it the focus of the conversation when it shouldn't be the focus of the conversation.
And yes, it's hard not to see people like you who are so busy making "she shouldn't said this or that or she should've chosen better words" the central point of the conversation as not also putting the blame on her for what people like the fuckwits in NY post are pulling against her, a.k.a. low-key saying that she deserved it a.k.a. victim blaming.
Yes, this is precisely so. The energy of making this whole shenanigans as her fault is just so weird to see. Well, maybe not weird because of what and who she is, but still.
Yes.
And that's basically victim blaming.
And makes us focusing on the entirely the wrong thing while at the same time amplifying the message intended by the fuckwits like the NY Post people.
Posters: "Fuck the NYP and fuck republicans for endangering Omar"
Some well meaning concerned posters: "She needs to word things better so she doesn't get taken out of context, because of what she said, this thread will now be about her words"
*cue 5 pages arguing about what she 'really said'*
You have literally walked right into their trap and pulled off the right wing's troll job on their behalf on a forum where we keep them out to avoid this very thing.
Some well meaning concerned posters: "She needs to word things better so she doesn't get taken out of context, because of what she said, this thread will now be about her words"
*cue 5 pages arguing about what she 'really said'*
You have literally walked right into their trap and pulled off the right wing's troll job on their behalf on a forum where we keep them out to avoid this very thing.
Rando ERA poster two months back: "I love Rep. Omar! She doesn't talk like a D.C. politician."
Same rando ERA poster now: "Rep. Omar goofed up! She needs to learn to speak like an experienced politician."
Same rando ERA poster now: "Rep. Omar goofed up! She needs to learn to speak like an experienced politician."
It kind of reminds me of how Obama had to basically be his best self at all times in public lest any slip of the tongue be deliberately misconstrued by right-wing media for eight years. He couldn't show too much emotion lest he be labeled as an angry black man. Then we came to the current...thing...in office whose context can be plainly visible for anyone to see, yet so many will bend over backwards to try to somehow misconstrue it back into something good.
Yep. Stop playing their games as they are never in good faith. There will always be something, and if not they will manufacture something. Stop lending them credence that will never be returned.
Also, the wording is fine in the context of this speech. 'Some people' clearly means 'subset of people(such as terrorists) that correctly or incorrectly are associated with broader group mentioned THE SENTENCE JUST PRIOR'. This is the same stupid splitting hairs bullshit that purists on the left just love to eat up time and time again.
But why won't OBAMA call it RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM?
"Some people did something" = HOW FUCKING DARE YOU
"Some bad people committed an act of terror" = Why can't she specify they were Muslim terrorists?!! Hmmmmmmmm??!?!?!!
"Some Muslim terrorists committed a horrible act" = She completely downplayed 9/11. It wasn't just a horrible act.... IT WAS THE WORST DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY
"Some Radical Islamic Terrorists committed the worst terror attack in American History" = It wasn't just SOME. We fought an ENTIRE WAR against Al Queida and the Taliban. Then we had to take care of ISIS, hell of alot more than just SOME!!!!
Never satisfied fragile white people wanting to control the black muslim woman's language. Great job dorks đź‘Ť
"Some bad people committed an act of terror" = Why can't she specify they were Muslim terrorists?!! Hmmmmmmmm??!?!?!!
"Some Muslim terrorists committed a horrible act" = She completely downplayed 9/11. It wasn't just a horrible act.... IT WAS THE WORST DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY
"Some Radical Islamic Terrorists committed the worst terror attack in American History" = It wasn't just SOME. We fought an ENTIRE WAR against Al Queida and the Taliban. Then we had to take care of ISIS, hell of alot more than just SOME!!!!
Never satisfied fragile white people wanting to control the black muslim woman's language. Great job dorks đź‘Ť