Feel free to look at my post history I don't want to derail this thread.Go on, especially with "especially regarding Isreal"
This should be interesting.
Feel free to look at my post history I don't want to derail this thread.Go on, especially with "especially regarding Isreal"
This should be interesting.
Rando ERA poster two months back: "I love Rep. Omar! She doesn't talk like a D.C. politician."
Same rando ERA poster now: "Rep. Omar goofed up! She needs to learn to speak like an experienced politician."
No? What are you even asking me? All I'm saying is that it was a stupid decision to describe a terrorist act as "some people did something."
Ilhan Omar should be just as coveted by the left as their darling AOC, but isn't for whatever reason.
I mean, I know why, but its maddening all the same. Just goes to show that just because y'all share the same side side doesn't mean y'all playing on the same team.
Not here, that's for certain.
She really needs to be more careful with her language (as all politicians do). It did come off as dismissive even if not intentional. That said the ny post isn't exactly liberal in their biases but Omar needs to stop giving conservatives ammo to work with. As a progressive member of the Jewish community I've definitely questioned some of what she's said recently especially regarding Israel.
I wouldn't even call AOC a "darling of the Left". There are a lot on the Left that want her to fail and just go away as well.Ilhan Omar should be just as coveted by the left as their darling AOC, but isn't for whatever reason.
I mean, I know why, but its maddening all the same. Just goes to show that just because y'all share the same side side doesn't mean y'all playing on the same team.
I've voted democrat since I was eligible to vote. Dismissive posts like these don't help the conversation.
Voting democrat doesn't suddenly make you not racist, not islamophobic and not Republican.I've voted democrat since I was eligible to vote. Dismissive posts like these don't help the conversation.
Democrats can be bigoted tooI've voted democrat since I was eligible to vote. Dismissive posts like these don't help the conversation.
Voting democrat doesn't suddenly make you not racist, not islamophobic and not Republican.
Bigoted comments that fuel hatred towards Omar don't help the conversation.
I've voted democrat since I was eligible to vote. Dismissive posts like these don't help the conversation.
Maybe not but some are getting frustrated that so called progressives are getting suckered by the GOP into condeming her langauage, as if that's what is important here. Guess what? It's not in the slightest.
The fact that you can unironically post that........
Its long been proven that wording doesn't matter.
If that's sarcasm and I missed this then I apologize for mistaking that.
It is really hard to see sarcasm these days because there are people that truely believe that.
See you were fine until that last sentence, then you make it sound like there isn't a deliberate attack here on Omar by bad faith actors that don't give a shit about 9/11.The NY Post cover is despicable.
Her comments are coming out of being treated like a second class citizen, however describing 9/11 as she does as "something some people did" is fucking dumb. I don't see a way around that. I'm sure I'll be ostracized here and called an Islamophobe myself or something.
See you were fine until that last sentence, then you make it sound like there isn't a deliberate attack here on Omar by bad faith actors that don't give a shit about 9/11.
You can think her word choice was poor, but it's pretty clear what she meant. Don't make yourself a victim when Rep Omar is being treated like she's a terrorist that is't even American because she wasn't precise with her words.
Ok so you know exactly what the Post was/is trying to do to her but yet you still focus on a comment taken out of context? Is she really the dumb one here?The NY Post cover is despicable.
Her comments are coming out of being treated like a second class citizen, however describing 9/11 as she does as "something some people did" is fucking dumb. I don't see a way around that. I'm sure I'll be ostracized here and called an Islamophobe myself or something.
I know she's a victim. She shouldn't have to speak for every act by every Muslim on the planet every time she opens her mouth. It's sad that the world has come to this when it comes to Islam in America. When a Christian politician opens their mouth, they don't have to address the KKK or any other person that has committed an act in Christ's name. I totally agree and understand how she could be frustrated. I also agree that these attacks are bad faith.
I find myself frustrated with how some topics go on this forum. Could I have phrased my post more like yours? Sprinkle admiration for her bravery in the face of this nonsense and outright stupidity along with some criticism of the words she chooses? Sure. And I probably should have.
Especially when they can create it out of thin air."Dont give their base anything to latch onto!" is the stupidest fucking line of reasoning lol.
Ok so you know exactly what the Post was/is trying to do to her but yet you still focus on a comment taken out of context? Is she really the dumb one here?
So you're frustrated that something as minor as word choice is being used to define your character and ideals? Weird.
Just use the thread to update your ignore list, these bad faith actors are concern trolling and probably laughing about it on another board.
The NY Post cover is despicable.
Her comments are coming out of being treated like a second class citizen, however describing 9/11 as she does as "something some people did" is fucking dumb. I don't see a way around that. I'm sure I'll be ostracized here and called an Islamophobe myself or something.
Especially when they can create it out of thin air.
The only way to do that is to stay silent, but even then, they'll just point to the hijab.
The part where you said "people that disagree will be labeled an Islamophobe is what I took issue with because you were insinuating people that were defending Omar were not doing so in good faith, in particular, this community.I know she's a victim. She shouldn't have to speak for every act by every Muslim on the planet every time she opens her mouth. It's sad that the world has come to this when it comes to Islam in America. When a Christian politician opens their mouth, they don't have to address the KKK or any other person that has committed an act in Christ's name. I totally agree and understand how she could be frustrated. I also agree that these attacks are bad faith.
I find myself frustrated with how some topics go on this forum. Could I have phrased my post more like yours? Sprinkle admiration for her bravery in the face of this nonsense and outright stupidity along with some criticism of the words she chooses? Sure. And I probably should have.
The part where you said "people that disagree will be labeled an Islamophobe is what I took issue with because you were insinuating people that were defending Omar were not doing so in good faith, in particular, this community.
The point of my post was, yes she could have been more precise with her words, but, she didn't do anything wrong so it doesn't really matter. As soon as she decided to talk about 9/11, this was how this was going to go down. The Right hate her, they hate Muslims, let's be honest.
But yeah, I agree with the rest of your post. It's pretty obvious what is fueling this nonsense.
For those that are calling people that think she could have worded this better, Islamophobes, I agree, they are talking nonsense. She could have. As moot of a point as it may be.
I'm sure I'll be ostracized here and called an Islamophobe myself or something.
Why should they read it? You don't mind giving opinions on other people's comments without reading further into them so I don't see why anyone else owes you that consideration.I believe I've explained my opinion in more detail in a followup post. I would appreciate you reading it.
Omar would have probably crumbled a long time ago if she had this kind of fragility.
I believe I've explained my opinion in more detail in a followup post. I would appreciate you reading it.
You've already revealed yourself to me with that "I'm sure I'll be ostracized for lending credence to the hate this women is receiving by blaming the victim" routine.
It was so fucking dumb, there's no way around it
Pretty sure they're being sarcastic.What in the hell?
This is victim blaming. Not her fault people didn't read what she said and fell for the trap laid against her.
It's like people immediately forget who their base consists of."Dont give their base anything to latch onto!" is the stupidest fucking line of reasoning lol.
Even by Fox/Post standards, this is unfathomably racist. Things feel like they are escalating and that is scary because it was already bad.
This thread will continue to be a revolving carousel of barely-concealed Islamophobia and dumbass posts from people wandering in who can't be bothered to actually learn how her words were used in context until it's either locked or the next baseless attack against her gets launched and the cycle begins anew.
Some would even say it's a bit ironic.So you're frustrated that something as minor as word choice is being used to define your character and ideals? Weird.
It's like people immediately forget who their base consists of.
Fox News Propaganda has my family convinced that AOC is a one-termer who is extremely unpopular in her district. Her unavailability among her district is over 20 points lower than Trump with his. Only 33% disapprove.
They are dogwhistling to scare aging white men and frustrated incels to vote GOP.
Well support and growth is hard for the left when the center and the center that think that they're left contribute in stifling the growth of the left.Your post, is succinctly answered by this post:
No gives a shit about the incorrigible Trump base. What we are witness to is a violent machine that rends and bends at every opportunity, It belittles and disenpowers with hate rhetoric, This is more than a shouting match across the pond. It's a disenfranchisement campaign to stun and stutter support and growth for organized behavior along the left. And it's clear that the left at large have not fucking clue what to do about it.