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NY Post cover on Ilhan and 9/11 sparks chaos on twitter
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Trump is covering for them. When the media refuses to use "white nationalist", it's perpetuating white exceptionalism and white supremacy. That's why I get upset.
You think Omar is covering for the 9/11 terrorists by not saying "terrorists"?
She's not downplaying it. She's pointing out how something some people did has led to the erosion of rights and civil liberties for others.
Which is true.
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So you are one of those who was angry at Obama for not calling isis Islamic ?
Saying "some people" is perfectly fine - she was contrasting that only a few people were part of 911 and yet all Muslims are seeing repercussions. Don't know why people have a problem with that. I can see how absent of context, people would latch onto "did something" as a carelessly reference to 9/11, but it seems to me she was just comparing the logic of having something a few people did affect everyone. It's obvious what her point was.
No because Obama didn't call them "some people". That's downplaying to the extreme.
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Some people even here want to latch onto her words to blame her then both side it . It'd the age old game
Context. The context is that she was talking about how all muslims are being associated with these people by also being called terrorists.
Stop tilting at windmills and address what's been written.
This shit won't stop and her own party will gladly toss her under the bus. As if muslims haven't been accused of this shit for the past 18 years already.
There's more to context than just the words around other words. The context is that she is a Muslim woman under constant attack and false accusation who cannot live comfortably as herself in the US because so many want to associate her and her religion with terrorism. So her words were chosen as such to point out that she and 99.9999999% of all Muslims in america have no association with these terrorists.
The willful stupidity and perpetuation of these attacks on her by agreeing with the right is absolutely maddening and one of the saddest things I've seen on a "progressive" website.
In context it's not dumb at all. She's clearly saying that the actions of some was unjustly causing all Muslims to lose their civil liberties. You replace "some people did something" with some "terrorists murdered thousands", and her point is doesn't change. GOP is simply trying to deflect from the verocity of her comment and justify their constant attempts to vilify Muslims.
Oh what a bunch of horseshit. Anyone with half a brain knows that's not what she was saying. Granted giving the American voter half a brain is asking a lot but even so we can't have this nonsense go uncontested.
Again, I get the context, and I get the point that she was making. She just did an extremely poor job of making it.
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Again you are fixated on both siding this when she mentioned terrorist in previous remark and was talking exactly what you are blaming her for not saying . You are in fact just looking to blame her because... don't know. You tell me
And calling it Islamic terror is a loaded term that's all too abused. There's already a very disgusting accepted connotation of linking Islam to violence. The Catholic molestation crisis didn't implicate all Catholics. Why do you want to throw wide aspersions so lightly?
This is a call for violence the same way that Likud's calls for violence led to the assassination of Rabin in 1995: Stir up extremists through propaganda until they take action.
I'm pretty sure she means "some people" from a broader group of Muslims. I.e. "some" Muslims, not all. Regardless it's clear that everyone going in on her for this is doing it for one main reason.
The other context is that this speech was right after a major terrorist attack against the muslim community.
It's not fair, but she really should be better at this. We all know she has a target on her back and her words will be highly scrutinized.
How does she not have a simple "what happened was terrible but those terrorists don't represent the Islam I know and practiced by billions world wide" etc.
Also how do you say:
"CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties."
And fail to mention thousands of American lives lost? This is super easy.
Also, her core point was wrong. She claimed CAIR was founded as a response to September 11.
(CAIR was actually founded in 1994.)
Keep in mind: these were in prepared remarks AT A CAIR EVENT. There's no excuse for fucking this up. Just more unforced errors.
How does she not have a simple "what happened was terrible but those terrorists don't represent the Islam I know and practiced by billions world wide" etc.
Also how do you say:
"CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties."
And fail to mention thousands of American lives lost? This is super easy.
Also, her core point was wrong. She claimed CAIR was founded as a response to September 11.
(CAIR was actually founded in 1994.)
Keep in mind: these were in prepared remarks AT A CAIR EVENT. There's no excuse for fucking this up. Just more unforced errors.
Here's the problem with that, Terrorists are not a race. She was talking about a specific race being held responsible for the actions of a few. She wasn't speaking on the atrocity of their actions, but the aftermath of bigotry and hate she and all Muslims have faced since then.
The fact that the "outrage" here is that she herself wasn't labeling Muslims as Terrorists In that sentence is pretty telling of how deep seeded the hate and bigotry towards Muslims really is and how synonymous people have made Muslims with Terrorists.
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Just to understand. You agree with republicans that she chose her words very poorly and you understand how some conservatives might misinterpret her words despite her clear intentions
Right ... ?
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Yes, I understand that you're trying to bait me and paint me as a "both sides" person. However, all I'm saying is that her comments referring to terrorists as "some people who did something" were moronic even with the added context.
Her point is that many Muslims are being mistreated in response to the actions of some. She's clearly talking about terrorists, it doesn't need to be spelled out.
It's being willfully stupid to know when and why CAIR was formed? Making it sound like it was a reaction to 9-11 is a stupid mistake to make. She has to have people on her team that are smart enough to catch that.
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"It's not fair" for alt right and gop
100+ words blaming ilhan for her words as she is in a special position as a Muslim so she should use words very carefully because we don't know her intentions truly until she SPELLS IT OUT
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Why ? Her intentions are not clear enough for you ? Is she suspicious to you ?
Report posts for bigotry and quit the indirect callout shit.
I'm shocked that the posters concern trolling their way into this thread are the same ones who participated in the bad-faith attacks against her a few months ago /s
most people don't even know what that is. People are losing their shit over her description of the 9/11 terrorists, not a historical misstatement of a date.
No, I'm not a bigot, but keep trying to paint me as such. You're not particularly clever or subtle.
It drives me crazy that she makes these moronic comments like these. She was trying to make a good point that following the terrorist attacks of 9/11, Muslim Americans are treated differently and worse. But now everyone will only talk about how she said "some people did something."
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It's quite something that people are losing their shit that she didn't bring a dictionary to describe 9/11 to satisfy them and have nowhere near the same outrage for DEATH threats against her because of this. That should tell you everything
This is an odd characterization. The bill was only just introduced in February. Literally nothing has happened with it. It was a democrat led legistlation but it still had 40 Republican co-sponsors. Legislation led by one political party in this fucked up divisive time is going to have a hard enough problem getting cosponsors on the other side, but I'm not surprised if other Republican politicians didn't sign onto the legislation because it mandated by law if it passed that the fund exist till 2090. That's not a typo.
Far less stupid than claiming the phrase "Some people did something, and all muslims are being punished for it" is somehow minimizing 9/11. You'd have to be either an idiot or a piece of shit to read it that way.
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