I'll sit here and wait for the specific receipts that you definitely have.
NY Times: Disappointed Fans of Mueller Rethink the Pedestal They Built for Him
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I'll sit here and wait for the specific receipts that you definitely have.
That was the dominant media narrative and SNL is pretty much only ever going to offer a comedic take on whatever the current media zeitgiest is. They have never been in the business of being truly subversive, so it's no surprise that they just ended up reflecting a lot of peoples' assumptions back at them.
Edit: Actually it's pretty instructive to look back at how SNL handled the Clinton scandals back in the 90s. Most of those sketches were based on Ken Starr's investigation and they were singularly uncritical of how Starr carried out his role as hatchet-man on behalf of a Republican Congress who's only aim was to take down a popular Democratic President.
SNL's strength is in satirizing outsized personalities such as Trump or the various gremlins in his administration, but they're never going to give useful insight into the motives or actions of the people they mock.
I'm going to puke.
And yes this would have been my reaction before things went to hell for Avenatti.
Also I've made a mental note to make fun of the people saying "we haven't seen the report yet stop making assumptions" when the rest of it comes out in the next week or two as if there are bombshells being held from us
well i guess i'll be on my way then
i think this is less of trying to convince the general public that there's nothing there (that's probably going to be the case even if the report gets released) and more as a means of saving face after spending so much time reporting on Russia, which is why people were so hopeful this would bring Trump down in the first place. i expect to see more of this type of thing for a while in the immediate aftermath of this whole shitshow
Why are you posting cringy political cartoons from an account that has 2.5k followers?
Yes jumping to conclusions clearly is the smart way to go.
Because this is a thread about how people put Mueller on a pedestal.
All the "full report coming out" does is provide closure so that the Dem party can hopefully move on from having this hover over their heads as some "But the report!" moment, and actively focus entirely on 2020. That's likely a principle reason they haven't put it out there yet TBH. Because it's no more substantive than Barr's summary on anything but they can wield it for yet another quick political victory, especially since they do dumb shit every other day.
It's a decent idea tbh.
It's a decent idea tbh.
Should be "Disappointed Fans of Mueller Rethink Their Priorities and Why They Ever Hero Worshiped a Former FBI Director for Doing the Job He Was Appointed to."
https://www.oregonlive.com/business...ut-of-network-ohsu-stay-for-heart-attack.html
Should be national news that this is legal, and normal, across the wealthiest country in human history. But nah, gotta talk about the FBI some more.
Politicians aren't your parents or your friends! They are the government, the state, you should literally do nothing but hold them accountable if they don't do what they promised you they would do when you voted for them. Don't lionize cops, don't think these institutions exist to protect you over the ruling class, these are lessons you'd think people would eventually learn.
The problem these days is that Trump has a temper tantrum on Twitter and calls for them to be investigated so they get the appearance of being subversive when they're running weak jokes about how Trump isn't a real billionaire.
You think that the Mueller Report is no more substantive than Barr's press release? Or are you just positing "I guess one reason could be..." I mean even just listing out the indictments and convictions they did get is extremely substantive. With a rational public and media that alone would be the biggest scandal since Nixon.
Huh... I'll take this glass half full approach until we see the full report, I guess. It's easier on the mind, for me at least.
"people" carrying a lot of weight in this phrase
No one in touch with reality were betting the farm on this.
As long as Mueller has been a well known person with this investigation, he's acted with integrity and gravity that we don't have from anybody in the Trump Administration. With everything we know that he's done, he's followed through on that characterization, and of what we know of the report, it's consistent with that.
What people should rethink is this idea that Mueller was destined to dunk on Trump, or that he was going to be their partisan savior, like some sort of more serious version of Michael Avanatti when he first appeared in the Trumpverse. But that's not who Mueller is, and thank fucking god it isn't.
The Mueller Report can still be damning to the Trump Administration, maybe not on the topic of collusion -- which Mueller seems to definitively not found convincing enough evidence for -- but possibly on the topic of Obstruction, which quite the opposite of Mueller's findings on collusion, he made no conclusion about it... It was Barr who exonerated Trump on that point, not Mueller. Barr and Mueller should still likely testify publicly in front of congress, and more details will emerge. But, those hoping for Mueller to deliver the home run swing leading to their inevitable impeachment of Trump, that might not happen, and you have to deal with that yourself.
The Mueller investigation was one of the most productive investigations in the history of the special counsel position, and you shouldn't forget that. It's easy to think, "Well, it never impeached Trump!" and then take the Republican narrative that it's all been a waste of time or money. But, don't fall into that trap. It produced dozens of guilty pleads or convictions, sent criminals to jail, and exposed a Russian conspiracy to attack our election system -- one that the Administration refused to recognize. It didn't impeach Trump, but that doesn't make it a waste of time. Without the Mueller investigation, people like Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, George Papadopolous, and other people who have likely been compromised or have allegiances to people other than American voters would still be in Trump's sphere of influence. While Cohen's congressional testimony was prompted primarily by alleged illegal campaign contributions, there wouldn't have been as much pressure on Cohen without the Mueller Investigation. The SDNY Investigation into the Trump Administration and Trump Organization that led to further charges brought against Paul Manafort would not have been as thorough.
Don't fall into the Republican spin that the investigation was a waste of time or money. It's still one of the most productive special counsel assignments in 30 years. But, no, it didn't lead to the imminent impeachment of Trump. That's where our expectations should be held in check.
What people should rethink is this idea that Mueller was destined to dunk on Trump, or that he was going to be their partisan savior, like some sort of more serious version of Michael Avanatti when he first appeared in the Trumpverse. But that's not who Mueller is, and thank fucking god it isn't.
The Mueller Report can still be damning to the Trump Administration, maybe not on the topic of collusion -- which Mueller seems to definitively not found convincing enough evidence for -- but possibly on the topic of Obstruction, which quite the opposite of Mueller's findings on collusion, he made no conclusion about it... It was Barr who exonerated Trump on that point, not Mueller. Barr and Mueller should still likely testify publicly in front of congress, and more details will emerge. But, those hoping for Mueller to deliver the home run swing leading to their inevitable impeachment of Trump, that might not happen, and you have to deal with that yourself.
The Mueller investigation was one of the most productive investigations in the history of the special counsel position, and you shouldn't forget that. It's easy to think, "Well, it never impeached Trump!" and then take the Republican narrative that it's all been a waste of time or money. But, don't fall into that trap. It produced dozens of guilty pleads or convictions, sent criminals to jail, and exposed a Russian conspiracy to attack our election system -- one that the Administration refused to recognize. It didn't impeach Trump, but that doesn't make it a waste of time. Without the Mueller investigation, people like Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, George Papadopolous, and other people who have likely been compromised or have allegiances to people other than American voters would still be in Trump's sphere of influence. While Cohen's congressional testimony was prompted primarily by alleged illegal campaign contributions, there wouldn't have been as much pressure on Cohen without the Mueller Investigation. The SDNY Investigation into the Trump Administration and Trump Organization that led to further charges brought against Paul Manafort would not have been as thorough.
Don't fall into the Republican spin that the investigation was a waste of time or money. It's still one of the most productive special counsel assignments in 30 years. But, no, it didn't lead to the imminent impeachment of Trump. That's where our expectations should be held in check.
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Told y'all from day one. Old white dudes ain't sending for old white dudes. They'll be playing a round of golf together in a few weeks.
It's for the best tho. Refocus, strategise and vote him out
It's for the best tho. Refocus, strategise and vote him out
Everyone is rethinking their stance on a man based on another man’s summary (which we’re just blindly going with now).
Just wait for the report to be released. It will eventually. Then we’ll see whether or not Barr lied, Mueller screwed the pooch, or if Trump is actually the most unlucky person who does absolutely no favors for himself.
As far as I’m concerned nothing has changed in the past 36 hours.
And if Trump does by some miracle turn out to be completely clean, then it’s ultimately a good thing. Yeah he may be fucking the country over through hate and senility and unadaulterated idiocy, but we can say he didn’t sell us out completely.
Just wait for the report to be released. It will eventually. Then we’ll see whether or not Barr lied, Mueller screwed the pooch, or if Trump is actually the most unlucky person who does absolutely no favors for himself.
As far as I’m concerned nothing has changed in the past 36 hours.
And if Trump does by some miracle turn out to be completely clean, then it’s ultimately a good thing. Yeah he may be fucking the country over through hate and senility and unadaulterated idiocy, but we can say he didn’t sell us out completely.
Lol I remember this... and this wasn't this long ago.
Aged like milk.
Seriously. People "hating" Mueller all of a sudden are acting just as dumb as if Trump loved Mueller now that Trump is "innocent".
We're better than this.
I don't really believe that even if it is more substantive that it changes anything. Barring indictments for collusion, which is what the opposition has played this into the Dem and #Resistance hands as being, then anything within it is ultimately circumstantial and not worth engaging with. You're not going to win people arguing about collusion that likely occurred on some level but isn't correlative to any major events.
Most of the indictments weren't for the actual crimes these career criminals committed, they were for perjury and wire fraud. Sure again, it's not a surprise or something to dismiss that all these people are career criminals who operate in an amoral universe devoid of compassion and human decency. But that's not the same as proving substantive collusion to the point of it being a viable political attack.
We live in hyper reality, it's not the 90's anymore and we're so conditioned to the 24/7 news cycle that any story that isn't ground breaking is lost in the mists, the Democrats have to be able to realize what stories and situations make good politics and what don't (and to many in the parties credit they mostly avoided taking the bait on this). And this isn't going to turn people, in fact it's likely since Trump has literally made "No Collusion" into one of his mnemonics that this does nothing but provide a net positive for his approval ratings. Yes, I think that since this can be utilized as a weapon against the Democrats that there is likely a level of politics involved in the choice to not release the full report, I don't believe that the general public will care or engage with anything dealing with "did he or did he not" because at this point the grotesque nature of Donald J Trump is known by all and has been for decades now. I don't believe you can win engaging on that level. And I think the Democrats actively realize this which is why most of the major players never directly engaged with this beyond "let him finish the investigation".
With age comes experience. With experience comes wisdom. With wisdom comes perspective. With perspective comes realistic expectations.
Seems we've slipped up somewhere...
Seems we've slipped up somewhere...
God this crap is as bad as when the right make trump some kind of muscled demi-god.
People desperately didn't want to believe their friends and families and neighbors voted for the man. Everytime something horrible happens, nobody wants to think someone they know, something they care about, or someplace they love or live in was responsible, because that's not something they can fix
It’s unhealthy to put people on pedestals like this. Same goes for AOC, it sets up disappointment.
I don't know what threads you have been reading, but ok.
Wow, 9k likes and 6k retweets, they must be devastated right now!
I don't understand why people are now hating on Mueller. Like first off we haven't seen his report. And secondly he did his job. His investigations led to indictments, just not the ones people were dreaming off. The chance that he would actually find collusion on the level that would force Trump out of office was almost negligible anyways.
Now we can focus on the actually force that made Trump a thing. It was America, not Russia that created him. And we the people have to fix it, not a single dude up in Washington.
Now we can focus on the actually force that made Trump a thing. It was America, not Russia that created him. And we the people have to fix it, not a single dude up in Washington.
I mean I hate him for, you know, this
But yes, it's time to focus on 2020 and making policy issues the forefront.
I don't think it's a slip up, so much as a very understandable desperation on some people's part to want something that can quickly fix things. No one really likes the idea of having a problem so huge and complex that it's going to take a long time to fix. And when it's something as nakedly selfish and destructive as Trump as POTUS, I can sympathize with people hoping something, ANYTHING can end the nightmare as quickly as possible and restore sanity.
I was talking more in the context of this story. Particularly people who liked him and now hate him because he didn't do what they were hoping.
If you like shitty takes. Stop pretending Mueller was operating alone.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/30/us/mueller-investigation-team-prosecutors.html
I'm not disappointed because I said from the beginning that going after election meddling was fucking stupid.
Trump is a criminal, go after the money laundering and all other dealings, follow the money.
Making the election the focal point was going to amount to nothing but make you look like a sore loser.
Also, both Comey and Mueller were republicans, I got called out for bringing that up on GAF, because they were "honorable" gentleman, lol.
At least there were indictments, so some guilty players were involved.
People here were calling Kyle Kulinski and especially Jimmy Dore morons and acted as if they were "traitors" because they said what will happen is exactly what happened.
Some people really expected Trump to leave office in handcuffs the moment the report dropped, even though it was also teased a few months back that it was a big nothingburger.
Trump is guilty of so many things, but you weren't going to get your victory on this one.
We should really look at all the money Israel is spending on trying to influence our politicians and our policy, because they're pouring millions in more than just troll farms.
Trump is a criminal, go after the money laundering and all other dealings, follow the money.
Making the election the focal point was going to amount to nothing but make you look like a sore loser.
Also, both Comey and Mueller were republicans, I got called out for bringing that up on GAF, because they were "honorable" gentleman, lol.
At least there were indictments, so some guilty players were involved.
People here were calling Kyle Kulinski and especially Jimmy Dore morons and acted as if they were "traitors" because they said what will happen is exactly what happened.
Some people really expected Trump to leave office in handcuffs the moment the report dropped, even though it was also teased a few months back that it was a big nothingburger.
Trump is guilty of so many things, but you weren't going to get your victory on this one.
We should really look at all the money Israel is spending on trying to influence our politicians and our policy, because they're pouring millions in more than just troll farms.
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the take should be focusing on policy, getting people to fucking not despair and vote in 2020, and that the house SHOULD push to get the full fucking report, not the drumph notes bigly edition Barr gave to congress with cherry picked shit. for all we know that report is super damning. but there should be transperency reguardless if it exonerates cheeto mcbigly or not.