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NY Times: For Bernie Sanders, Claims of Sexism in 2016 Campaign Hang Over 2020 Bid
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Presumably Hillary dispatched her agents to infiltrate the Sanders campaign and sexually harass people and then dispatched other agents to infiltrate the Sanders campaign to be sexually harassed by the first agents and then file complaints about sexual harassment which the first group of agents acknowledged occurred, then leaked the stories to the media to damage Sanders's campaign, but waited until the 2020 primary -- in which she is not running -- to pull the trigger.
It's the only explanation that makes sense.
Oh i conflated dealt well with did better since Sanders seems to have done poorly.
The report ain't false. I'm just addressing this silly narrative that 100% of Sanders voters are White flip flop wearing, shorts in the dead of Winter rocking dudebros.
These fictional Bros wouldn't even be the type to vote for Sanders.
So, are you arguing that the claim(s) the article cites are false?
Because you'd have to be arguing that to say something so ridiculous.
So you just came in to steer the conversation away from the actual important issue?
Clintonworld is very adept at planting staffers in rival campaigns who will, years later, accuse other staffers in that campaign (but not the political rival himself!) of sexual harassment, just not so good at winning elections.
I swear I wrote the above before I saw this reply lol
I swear I wrote the above before I saw this reply lol
My assertion there was based on that after two campaigns in 2008/2016, the one harassment related scandal was when she overruled her staff's correct handling and remedy of it. And that if there were more stories, they'd probably have come out in the time after that story broke. Since we haven't seen any, my presumption's been that the staff's correct procedural handling was probably the norm.
One thing that the 2016 Sanders staffers were trying to make clear in their letter and follow-up correspondence is that this stuff is inevitable and Bernie is not to blame for it occurring in the first place. Their concerns lie primarily with ensuring future campaigns are prepared to handle it better than 2016 did. It was not meant to be a public shaming, but a cal to do better.
I ate the onion on yours, but considering we're getting semi-serious responses akin to it, I don't feel entirely shamed.
Looking from outside and knowing absolutely anything from US politics, Bernie sounds like the best option to me. Now, dot get me wrong, vetting is extremely important for candidates, but they are facing a guy who brags about all his wrongdoings, and a public that applauds all his words. If you keep digging and throwing mud at each other, Trump is going to win again.
I note that when you say you know nothing about US politics you're including all the posts in this thread
I mean, there's nothing that people will throw that Trump and Republicans wont throw 2x harder later on, right?
Yes. It's being brought up by staffers explicitly because they would like to see these inevitable issues handled better in a hypothetical Sanders 2020 run.
no how about we report on sexual harassment rather than ignoring it, instead of holding reprehensible views such as this
Are you fucking serious?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/
Maybe if your attacks were based on facts you'd find less resistance to what you're trying to sell.
This was a bad take when it was a bunch of anti-Beto op-eds and it's still a bad take now. People are doing vetting for politicians that may run for President, people are staffing up their campaigns and talking to more people about what they want, and people are advocating for and against candidates they prefer. This is all extremely normal. It's a presidential primary! This is what normally happens every single time. 2015 was, if anything, unusually boring by comparison because there were so few candidates to write about.
Opinion pieces from David Sirota and a NYTimes report are not really that comparable.
Vetting is always a good thing though.
That makes sense .
I think there is some blame, if Hillary didnt have the same structural issues it might be indicative of policies that can be implemented to deflate these issues like elevating women to more leadership positions. Of course it might not be damning but all candidates should look towards campaigns that did better on these issues.
No one in politics has a spotless record on anything, and when you run for president the shit comes out. The scrutiny of the candidates and who they associate with is part of the process.
shameless fuckin people in this thread, people that I'm sure consider themselves allies, suggesting disingenuously that reporting on sexual harassment is some trivial bickering that's going to get trump elected again. foh
I don't think it's being ignored as it's being reported on...like right now...and has been in the past.
yes, vetting is extremely important
You're right, you don't know what you're talking about. This is hardly a "throwing mud" situation or something someone had to go and dig up.
the thing that gets me is that it's solely because it's affecting their messaiah. It could not be more transparent even if it were literally see-through.
I agree, Sexual harassment is very serious and should never be ignored. That's not want I meant, but yeah I did word my answer poorly. I just meant to say he looks like the best candidate to me, and that things should be explained clearly so it does look like candidates are playing dirty, while the real dirt will be ready to mis construct anything said about his possible opponents in the next election.
Sexual harassment is not an afterthought dude. you're treating it like one to say the topic should really be "this candidate is really great you guys".
I'm not sure the best response to getting sexual harassment complaints about a campaign surrogate is to not only keep the guy around but assign more women to chaperone him...
A candidate in which facilitates an environment and workplace in which multiple staffers are sexually harassed and ignored may not be the best candidate.
Bernie's campaign had massive appeal to white male voters, it's not surprising to me at all that many groups of women, and minorities still don't feel 100% on board with Sanders. It's also not surprising that the campaign operation would reflect some of those dynamics.
I have my opinion on the BernieBro narrative, but not really surprised by anything in this article, tbh. the disorganized nature of his 2016 campaign would have made it more difficult than it should have been to deal with HR issues appropriately. anyway, hopefully he does a better job of staffing and organizing his campaign if he runs again
The question of who Bernie's supporters are and whether they are white dudes is legitimately totally irrelevant to this thread and it's weird to me how much people keep bringing that up. Is there an argument you want to have in lieu of discussing Sanders campaign operatives and their concerns about sexual harassment within the campaign?
Wish these allegations surprised me but they don't. Bernie is a relic from the 60s. He has no idea how to deal with the issues of today.
It's amazing to me how well Bernie has crafted this outsider, rebel narrative to such a degree that all his supporters can ever talk about is how they're being oppressed by anyone that's not them even in the face of something like this. Bernie definitely knows how to politically manipulate people.
Let's be honest, if Bernie does absolutely nothing about this problem the majority of his supporters would forget it even happened.
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At this point I'm wondering how much of it is astroturfing because so much of what's being described, in practice, sounds like reading from a script.
Lets assume this was something completely outside of his control. Would he still be dead to you? I'm not saying he was (he should definitely address any alleged wrongdoing within his own campaign), I'm just curious where you sit on that.