So you will not clarify what you meant. Okay, fine.I can't believe you've insulted my integrity so severely.
I've never heard such coarse language in my life.
So you will not clarify what you meant. Okay, fine.I can't believe you've insulted my integrity so severely.
I've never heard such coarse language in my life.
Who was crediting her with ending it? I've not seen any of that. She's being given credit for preventing trump from pulling a victory out of his own shit show but that's different.
Aw, I'm so sorry that you said something that was false and inflammatory and that you were asked about it. But I guess having to have culpability for your words is "awkward" and those asking you to do it is "creepy cultish."I said that the workers deserved more credit than Pelosi. Not that she didn't deserve any credit.
And now I'm getting multi quoted by about four of yall accusing me of hating women, demanding I explain myself, and one dude saying I'm rewriting history.
Yeah, that's a bit on the awkward side at best. Creepy cultish at worst.
I almost called her a Spoony Bard. Boy ya'll would have been HOT over that one.
He's just asking questions man! Why do both sides have to attack everyone all the time?!Aw, I'm so sorry that you said something that was false and inflammatory and that you were asked about it. But I guess having to have culpability for your words is "awkward" and those asking you to do it is "creepy cultish."
From what I read, you can blame Reagan for busting the previous union by firing EVERYONE and replacing them. It's probably why federal workers have been hesitant to strike for so long. Of course things are different with with unions gaining favorability and the current government being completely unreliable to keep things functional.
He's just asking questions man! Why do both sides have to attack everyone all the time?!
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What the fuck are you talking about?I'm the sexist but you don't think women can be TSA agents or ATC?
Exactly. She deserves some credit for doing what she was supposed to do, but the workers are the ones who ended it. Five hours after a strike threat, the government caved.Pelosi deserves praise proportional to what she did, which was the bare minimum we should expect from our representatives.
The workers are the real heroes. Put them on a throne if you're going to put anyone there. This tribal mentality built around kissing the boots of our reps needs to stop.
Its insane that so many people speak of the shutdown like its a thing of the distant past. They still have to write a bill that covers the next 10 months of government. And they have 3 weeks to pass it, with neither side budging an inch off their positions.
This is far from over. Stop celebrating.
What the hell? Are you saying House of Lightning is alt-right? Seriously?It's straight out of the alt-right playbook.
It's often not this obvious though.
What a smarmy hill to die on.I'm the sexist but you don't think women can be TSA agents or ATC?
That's laugh out loud funny.
Pelosi deserving less credit than the workers is not a false statement.
You Pelosi Husbandos are on a whole different level.
Pelosi deserves praise proportional to what she did, which was the bare minimum we should expect from our representatives.
The workers are the real heroes. Put them on a throne if you're going to put anyone there. This tribal mentality built around kissing the boots of our reps needs to stop.
God bless Pelosi for standing her ground. Not surprised, just like Trump, some Era members can't stand to see a strong woman push back.
I swear some of ya'll actually root against dems and the American left getting any wins or making any progress just because it personally makes for a more compelling narrative for you
This.
Trump has shown he's willing to impose serious pain to get what he wants, I'm not totally convinced he cares about a general strike if we're at this spot again in 3 weeks (he may well pull a Reagan), and if Pelosi caves on wall funding, which is a distinct possibility, the lot of you will want her head on a platter.
Talk to me when there's long term funding for the government that doesn't include a wall. This was a band-aid.
ATC absenteeism is what was the final breaking point. Pelosi being smarmy... not so much.
IRS, ATC and TSA need to walk out if they're pushed into a corner again in three weeks.
It's straight out of the alt-right playbook.
It's often not this obvious though.
You don't think sexism was involved at all in the post they responded to?
Not who you asked, but no.You don't think sexism was involved at all in the post they responded to?
Let's assume that the sickout by the air traffic controllers, followed by the threat of a strike by the flight attendants, really did play a big role in ending the shutdown. How happy are we about that? Plenty of observers have noted that we can cause endless pain to ordinary workers and no one really cares, but produce a minor bit of chaos in our airports and suddenly it gets a ton of attention from reporters, CEOs, lobbyists, and other white-collar types who fly a lot. And once you have their attention, a solution must be found. Pronto.
I dunno. Is this what we want? Do we really want the folks who run our air travel system to have this kind of power? I'm not so sure that would be a great thing.
It is absolutely a great thing. We see where the power truly lies, not with the bosses and the politicians, but with the workers.
So if actual posters on this forum won't make the arguments you want them to make so you can... do whatever it is you do, you'll just use this thread to respond to some random writer who is making the argument you want to refue as though he's here instead of @ing him on his own damn Twitter.
Okay.
This wasn't really a callout thread of era posters, though. And this is just another example of how there are people giving all of the credit to Pelosi. Additionally, it's relevant to the topic and the questions he asks are important and I decided to answer them here.So if actual posters on this forum won't make the arguments you want them to make so you can... do whatever it is you do, you'll just use this thread to respond to some random writer who is making the argument you want to refue as though he's here instead of @ing him on his own damn Twitter.
Okay.
It is absolutely a great thing. We see where the power truly lies, not with the bosses and the politicians, but with the workers.
Those people are the workers and he doesn't consider it to be a great thing if they have that much power to exert over the elites.I think you've missed the author's point. Its not " the workers", most elites were fine with letting them suffer. Its the people that are necessary to support what the rich need to do, in this case fly.
It's not a dumb conversation. A lot of people don't appreciate the amount of power the labor force has and a conversation like this can increase class consciousness. Probably not by much, but it's a conversation worth having.And honestly this whole conversation is stupid. Its not just Pelosi, or the workforce, or the airports, or Trumps tanking approval or social services collapsing. Its everything. Trump was taking water on all sides and drowning.
I don't know why this idiotic conversation of who gets credit for a 3 week CR needs to happen when there is still a spending bill that needs to get written. People have fucked priorities.
Not quite.This wasn't really a callout thread of era posters, though. And this is just another example of how there are people giving all of the credit to Pelosi.
Those people are the workers and he doesn't consider it to be a great thing if they have that much power to exert over the elites.
It's not a dumb conversation. A lot of people don't appreciate the amount of power the labor force has and a conversation like this can increase class consciousness. Probably not by much, but it's a conversation worth having.
There were examples in the article of people giving Pelosi credit. And again, I wasn't calling out people here.Not quite.
You made a thread based on the false premise that people were giving Pelosi all the credit and the unions squat even though major media outlets were either talking about the power of a strike the day before the shutdown ended or giving them credit afterward. These articles paired nicely with ones that gave Pelosi credit for what she did and did well - keeping her caucus united and refusing to pay the hostage taker.
99% of the people in this thread said, "Both parties deserve credit," with many apportioning more praise to the unions.
So you made a thread about an article that criticized something literally nobody was saying just so you could... I don't know? Knock Pelosi down a few pegs? Imply that Democrats are stealing the unions' glory? Are neoliberal shills who ignore the ~~~working class~~~? Who cares.
But people didn't bite, and now you're just searching for random-ass people at B-list or worse publications to support this idea that popular sentiment is ignoring the unions and solely, exclusively, or disproportionately crediting Pelosi.
Like a pathetic little fire desperately searching for oxygen to sustain itself.
I see you.
There are a ton of workers the elite couldn't live without from dishwashers to cashiers and so on. Threaten the elite's money and they will listen. Yes, those who work on critical infrastructure wield more power than others, but I and many others put them in the same general workforce. It's solidarity.There's a huge difference between the normal workforce, who alot of elites could live without and people who are necessary to support things that the rich people need to do.
Trying to group people critical to infrastructure and the general workforce is non-sensical. If there was a country wide blackout, electricians would be alot more important than the rest of the workforce and thus hold more power. If there were mass riots around the country, the police would hold far power than the rest of the workforce etc.
The point is, its not the general workforce that spurred action amongst the elite. Its the threat of closing airports.
And this conversation is stupid because the spending bill has not been passed and neither side has budged from their positions.