NYT: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia After Firing Comey

ZeoVGM · Jan 14, 2019

Saya said:

Narrator: He worked for Russia.

shadowsdarknes · Jan 14, 2019

Parthenios said:
Putin could release all of the kompromat, with air tight evidence showing that he and Donald worked together in 2016 and even that Russia had changed votes to get him elected, and there'd still be a near 0 percent chance there'd be enough votes in the Senate to remove him from office. If Russia's end goal were truly to destabilize the U.S., this is certainly the sharpest arrow in his quiver (assuming said kompromat exists of course).

The party will always vote for party over country. So they will act in the best interest of the party. I could imagine some scenarios in which it becomes in the best interest to impeach the man. Pretend they had no idea of the severity of this and try to find the next demagogue.

Horns · Jan 14, 2019

If this turns out true then his accomplishments must be rolled back. All those judges, executive orders, signed legislation do no count.

viskod · Jan 14, 2019

Horns said:
If this turns out true then his accomplishments must be rolled back. All those judges, executive orders, signed legislation do no count.

That's some wishful thinking. But that won't happen.

AegonSnake · Jan 14, 2019

Even if Pency is somehow involved, he knows republicans will never impeach him because that would make Nanci freaking Pelosi the President.

Garlador · Jan 14, 2019

AegonSnake said:
Even if Pency is somehow involved, he knows republicans will never impeach him because that would make Nanci freaking Pelosi the President.

Can you IMAGINE?

MrRob · Jan 15, 2019

It's pathetic and sad how this ground shattering story just turned into another fart in the wind. I wish the media could manage to stay on a single story for more than 24 hours before being distracted by the next shiny ball.

We wonder why nothing sticks and nothing ends up effecting Trump well it's because it impossible to keep the focus on one scandal because there is a new one every other day.

The only thing Trump is good at is manipulation of the media it too bad it's kinda an important thing to be in control of.

Mcfrank · Jan 15, 2019

MrRob said:
It's pathetic and sad how this ground shattering story just turned into another fart in the wind. I wish the media could manage to stay on a single story for more than 24 hours before being distracted by the next shiny ball.

We wonder why nothing sticks and nothing ends up effecting Trump well it's because it impossible to keep the focus on one scandal because there is a new one every other day.

The only thing Trump is good at is manipulation of the media it too bad it's kinda an important thing to be in control of.

But he served them Hamburgers... in the White House... can you believe it?

Ichthyosaurus · Jan 15, 2019

Horns said:
If this turns out true then his accomplishments must be rolled back. All those judges, executive orders, signed legislation do no count.

That's not this works. There are no take backs, the best we have is impeachment to get rid of them. Including executive orders and legislation.

MrRob said:
It's pathetic and sad how this ground shattering story just turned into another fart in the wind. I wish the media could manage to stay on a single story for more than 24 hours before being distracted by the next shiny ball.

We wonder why nothing sticks and nothing ends up effecting Trump well it's because it impossible to keep the focus on one scandal because there is a new one every other day.

The only thing Trump is good at is manipulation of the media it too bad it's kinda an important thing to be in control of.

Part of Trump's immunity to scandals is that he is so corrupt his scandals are background noise. This isn't normal. 1/10th of these would destroy a regular Republican president.

Horns · Jan 16, 2019

Ichthyosaurus said:
That's not this works. There are no take backs, the best we have is impeachment to get rid of them. Including executive orders and legislation.

Why not? None of this is supposed to work this way. I'm OK with taking very radical steps to rectify mistakes if all this collusion stuff turns out to be true.

Kernel · Jan 16, 2019

MrRob said:
We wonder why nothing sticks and nothing ends up effecting Trump well it's because it impossible to keep the focus on one scandal because there is a new one every other day

That's a feature. With Obama they manufactured controversies because there were few real ones.

It all has the effect of numbing people to indifference.

Democracy doesn't die overnight.

UnderNewOwnership · Jan 16, 2019

MrRob said:
It's pathetic and sad how this ground shattering story just turned into another fart in the wind. I wish the media could manage to stay on a single story for more than 24 hours before being distracted by the next shiny ball.

We wonder why nothing sticks and nothing ends up effecting Trump well it's because it impossible to keep the focus on one scandal because there is a new one every other day.

The only thing Trump is good at is manipulation of the media it too bad it's kinda an important thing to be in control of.

It's part of the Surkovite-style information overload. Jump from one crisis to the other, and people will ultimately be too exhausted to care, while media organizations can't figure out which story to run, since they all have roughly equal weight.

Voyager · Jan 16, 2019

Maybe people are already under the impression Trump MAY be a Russian asset (he is of coarse). This news adds very little to that.

I think people want the actual report. Until then, news like this is just the same ol' Shit.

BrassDragon · Jan 16, 2019

Voyager said:
Maybe people are already under the impression Trump MAY be a Russian asset (he is of coarse). This news adds very little to that.

I think people want the actual report. Until then, news like this is just the same ol' Shit.

The revelation is not really that Trump is behaving consistently like a Russian asset but rather how the FBI and DOJ reacted internally to this mad behaviour. Despite regulatory and legal objections, they decided to investigate him anyway, with the full counter-intelligence arsenal of the federal government (e.g. it puts things like covert surveillance, source development and the aid of foreign services on the table.)

That's a bombshell by any measure even if you've become numb to Trump-Russia news.

Kernel · Jan 16, 2019

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...lked-about-we-probably-wont-find-out-decades/

MOSCOW — The United States has no detailed record of President Trump's five face-to-face interactions with Russian President Vladimir Putin over the past two years, The Washington Post reported last week.

Russia, on the other hand, almost certainly does. Just don't expect to see them anytime soon.

The interpreters working for Soviet leaders were trained to take nearly verbatim stenographic notes. Declassified Soviet records of Cold War talks are often more detailed than official American notes on the same conversations, said Svetlana Savranskaya, the director of Russia programs at the National Security Archive at George Washington University.

"The irony might be that in some years, historians will have the Russian record but not the American — and then we will learn something incredibly interesting just from the one side," Savranskaya said in a phone interview. Trump, The Post reported, took possession of his interpreter's notes after meeting with Putin in Hamburg in 2017

Just need to wait!

Ichthyosaurus · Jan 16, 2019

Horns said:
Why not? None of this is supposed to work this way. I'm OK with taking very radical steps to rectify mistakes if all this collusion stuff turns out to be true.

Blame the Founding Fathers and those who reformed the system centuries since. What you're talking about has no precedent and would be a Big Deal with how politics works in America.