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Kirblar

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"Let's blame Obama for a STATE GOVERNMENT perpetrated issue". Because of course, this country is a monarchy and separation of powers doesn't exist. It's not the President's job to not fuck up a town's water supply in the first place! People's belief that they elect a king will never fail to astound me. Blame the people of Michigan and the shitty Republican government they elected which completely fucked over a town, forcing federal intervention.

And the posturing that the remaining pipe replacement is somehow his fault is absurd as well- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis#2016
On December 9, 2016 the MDEQ reported that more than 96 percent of water samples in Flint residencies were now below the EPA lead threshold of 15 parts per billion.[137]

On March 15, 2017, the Genesee County Water and Waste Services Advisory Board voted to construct a new pipeline; it would be a 7-mile (11 km), 42-inch (110 cm) connector to the KWA pipeline. The pipeline will allow the treatment of raw Lake Huron water, so the city of Flint can continue to buy pre-treated water from the Great Lakes Water Authority. The $12 million project will allow Flint to remain a customer of the GLWA until at least 2019.[138]
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The biggest, most important parts of fixing this were largely taken care of a few years ago. Replacing the "2500 pipes" that were heavily damaged due to the shitty water is a long term project that will take a lot of time to complete. There's no magic spell that will make difficult, time-consuming municipal utility work suddenly happen way faster once it's funded.
 
Biggersmaller

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Dyle said:
He was drinking it to show that filtered water is safe and made it clear that the situation was still fucked and a lot of work needed to be done. The act of drinking the water is the least troubling part of the whole issue
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It was a failed publicity stunt because he a gave a callous speech specifically minimizing the effects of lead and drank filtered water to illustrate the emergency was over.

I see the Obama years as a net positive, but hardly what everyone was expecting given his campaign. This was a big error on his part.
 
Inuhanyou

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GAMEPROFF said:
Pulled a fulkushima on who? Are you nuts?
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On the residents of Flint...do you even know that Abe went to Fukushima and faked drinking the water just to prove it wasnt radioactive just to get people to shut up about how the goverment wasnt doing enough?

And now of course we find out that their plan to get rid of it is dumping it into the fucking pacific ocean...


 
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Apparently threads litigating Obama's legacy are necessary because people can't be confronted of criticism over where Obama clearly compromised innocent lives without personal attacks and accusations towards their motives.

Kirblar said:
"Let's blame Obama for a STATE GOVERNMENT perpetrated issue". Because of course, this country is a monarchy and separation of powers doesn't exist. It's not the President's job to not fuck up a town's water supply in the first place! People's belief that they elect a king will never fail to astound me. Blame the people of Michigan and the shitty Republican government they elected which completely fucked over a town, forcing federal intervention.

And the posturing that the remaining pipe replacement is somehow his fault is absurd as well- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis#2016


The biggest, most important parts of fixing this were largely taken care of a few years ago. Replacing the "2500 pipes" that were heavily damaged due to the shitty water is a long term project that will take a lot of time to complete. There's no magic spell that will make difficult, time-consuming municipal utility work suddenly happen way faster once it's funded.
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Did the state government force him to drink the water?
 

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Raccoon said:
what is trump then
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A fascist. like both can be bad? Trump is more bad but that doesn't negate Obama's bad either. Like Trump letting kids die at the border doesn't revive all the innocent civilians that Obama was okay with bombing
Keikaku said:
Trump counts as a trash person. Obama doesn't belong in that category.
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Nope. Trump is a piece of shit but that doesn't mean Obama isn't a trash person.
 
CherryWoodFuton

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SoZetaSlow said:
lol yes, its a lack of guts that makes people not say this to Obama's face, not the lack of opportunity
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Not specifically Obama but anyone
If you had the opportunity to speak to Obama one on one what would you say?
I doubt you would say “You’re a piece of shit trash okthxbye” because that wouldn’t even be a productive conversation
 

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Equippedwithtowel said:
Apparently threads litigating Obama's legacy are necessary because people can't be confronted of criticism over where Obama clearly compromised innocent lives without personal attacks and accusations towards their motives.


Did the state government force him to drink the water?
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And people in Flint, and state officials representing Flont wanted him to declare it a natural disaster to free up funds that could help them, but he pulls this stunt twice in the same day. It was incredibly fucked up.

Apharmd, a black person, getting banned for that post is bullshit
 
Pekola

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Apharmd said:
Obama is a black face for white supremacy and maintenance of the status quo, this Flint debacle was typical of the man. He was never an ally to the people in Flint, or to black America as a whole.
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Apharmd said:
I am black. And my father's family is from Flint. Some of them still live there. Obama doesn't get a pass on this. It was unacceptable.
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3 months ban for ‘racism’ on a black person that is levying criticism of Obama. It may be harsh criticism, but if anyone’s entitled to make it, it’s a black person who has personal stakes in the flint situation.

What’s going on? Because this isn’t even the first questionable ban of the week.

Anyways, the fact that flint still doesn’t have clean water is a massive problem, and taking some sips one day doesn’t change that.
 
Kirblar

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Equippedwithtowel said:
Apparently threads litigating Obama's legacy are necessary because people can't be confronted of criticism over where Obama clearly compromised innocent lives without personal attacks and accusations towards their motives.

Did the state government force him to drink the water?
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The idea that he was "compromising innocent lives" here is ridiculous given that (per wiki again)
From the time of August 2015 to November 2016, median water lead levels began to go down again depending on the type of water service pipes each home had. In homes with copper pipes, the median water lead level dropped from 3.0 micrograms per liter (µg/L) to <1 µg/L, galvanized service lines dropped from a median water lead level of 7.2 µg/L to 1.9 µg/L, and lead service lines saw a drop from a median water lead level of 9.9 µg/L to 2.3 µg/L.[135] 1 µg/L is equivalent to 1 part per billion.[136]

On December 9, 2016 the MDEQ reported that more than 96 percent of water samples in Flint residencies were now below the EPA lead threshold of 15 parts per billion.[137]
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He says the water is filtered because the water still needed to be filtered at the time they were doing this, yes.

The idea that this was some unconscionable action on his part, or that he "let flint happen" is some bitch-eating-crackers nonsense from people who don't like the guy who will view anything he does through that lens. A federal response to a state government created situation will never be good enough. A bill passed through a conservative Senate will never be good enough. The targets of their ire will never be able to live up to the constantly moving goalposts they create for them.
 

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Pekola said:
3 months ban for ‘racism’ on a black person that is levying criticism of Obama. It may be harsh criticism, but if anyone’s entitled to make it, it’s a black person who has personal stakes in the flint situation.

What’s going on? Because this isn’t even the first questionable ban of the week.

Anyways, the fact that flint still doesn’t have clean water is a massive problem, and taking some sips one day doesn’t change that.
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It’s incredibly fucked up because Apharmd was pointing out the racism in Obama’s actions against our people and he gets banned for it.
 
Mekanos

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I could understand a kneejerk ban reaction to Apharmd's post, but after he clarified he was black, I'm not sure what warranted three months. It would be nice to get some transparency on that.

thewienke said:
If Obama is "trash", I don't think there's anyone that could realistically be president that wouldn't be trash then.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but I think we came to different conclusions on what this means.

We should always hope for better though.
 

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Mekanos said:
I could understand a kneejerk ban reaction to Apharmd's post, but after he clarified he was black, I'm not sure what warranted three months. It would be nice to get some transparency on that.
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Why

Why is it suddenly so hip and hop when someone gets rightfully put in timeout that everyone starts posting about how "we need to know why" when the post is literally right in front of you.

I know the answer why so you don't have to answer it.
 
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Why

Why is it suddenly so hip and hop when someone gets rightfully put in timeout that everyone starts posting about how "we need to know why" when the post is literally right in front of you.

I know the answer why so you don't have to answer it.
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What's so rightful about punishing someone for pointing out that Obama enabled the systems of racist opression?
 
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Trying to figure out why Apharmd was banned? Was it just because he said the words black face? Does context not matter
 

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CherryWoodFuton said:
Not specifically Obama but anyone
If you had the opportunity to speak to Obama one on one what would you say?
I doubt you would say “You’re a piece of shit trash okthxbye” because that wouldn’t even be a productive conversation
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I'd probably ask him how he's able to sleep at night having been responsible for the death of so many innocents first but then I would call him trash.
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If Obama is "trash", I don't think there's anyone that could realistically be president that wouldn't be trash then.
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Ah yes cause nobody is capable of not murdering innocent civilians enemy combatants
 
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Kirblar said:
The idea that he was "compromising innocent lives" here is ridiculous given that (per wiki again)

He says the water is filtered because the water still needed to be filtered at the time they were doing this, yes.

The idea that this was some unconscionable action on his part, or that he "let flint happen" is some bitch-eating-crackers nonsense from people who don't like the guy who will view anything he does through that lens. A federal response to a state government created situation will never be good enough. A bill passed through a conservative Senate will never be good enough. The targets of their ire will never be able to live up to the constantly moving goalposts they create for them.
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I'm not sure what else to label the thousands of people who waited years (some still waiting) to receive pipe replacements and filters and how their situation was prolonged by the lack of emergency aid. I certainly don't think the press conference was in the interests of people suffering in Flint .
Obama all condemnations aside, tacitly sided with a state government practicing one of the most viscous forms of institutional environmental racism in modern american history.
 
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Mekanos said:
I could understand a kneejerk ban reaction to Apharmd's post, but after he clarified he was black, I'm not sure what warranted three months. It would be nice to get some transparency on that.



I don't necessarily disagree, but I think we came to different conclusions on what this means.

We should always hope for better though.
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CherryWoodFuton said:
In fact anyone that has fucked up is trash and a piece of shit am I doing this right ERA?
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It's hyperbolic for sure because I'm not sure what the expectations are when he had to deal with a reactionary Republican congress for most of his 8 years.

Khoryos said:
Maybe the guy that's consistently voted and protested against mass murder and for improving the standard of living of the impoverished?
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I don't think Bernie Sanders could do *that* much better of a job than Obama when he had to deal with a fully Republican Congress that was using Fox News to rile up a racist population. The executive branch can only do so much which is a good thing as we've seen with Trump.

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You're almost there!
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Helio said:
That is correct. There are no good presidents.
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That's a fair argument and it's intellectually honest. All US presidents are in an ethically compromised situation from day 1 simply by virtue of US foreign policy.

I don't think there's a reality wherein if even AOC or Bernie were president that somehow the US would stop all foreign intervention. I think people are thinking too highly of these individuals and not seeing some of the "no good outcome" scenarios that US presidents find themselves in.
 
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Pekola said:
3 months ban for ‘racism’ on a black person that is levying criticism of Obama. It may be harsh criticism, but if anyone’s entitled to make it, it’s a black person who has personal stakes in the flint situation.

What’s going on? Because this isn’t even the first questionable ban of the week.

Anyways, the fact that flint still doesn’t have clean water is a massive problem, and taking some sips one day doesn’t change that.
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This ban is fucking gross. White liberals love to shout about listening to black people until they have a single bad thing to say about one their favorite politicians.
 
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Barack is a great man, but there were times late in his presidency when I thought the Republicans had soundly beaten him mentally. This was one of them.
 
Kirblar

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Equippedwithtowel said:
I'm not sure what else to label the thousands of people who waited years (some still waiting) to receive pipe replacements and filters and how their situation was prolonged by the lack of emergency aid. I certainly don't think the press conference was in the interests of people suffering in Flint .
Obama all condemnations aside, tacitly sided with a state government practicing one of the most viscous forms of institutional environmental racism in modern american history.
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You can label them victims of a GOP government who are waiting on pipe replacements because you can't just dig up 2500 pipe sections at once, and you don't have the manpower and resources to do that even if you wanted to.

The idea that Obama "tacitly sided" with the GOP state government that perpetrated this is absolute nonsense.
 
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1. He didn't say everything was fine; he said that the filtered water is safe to drink (which was what was in his glass) and that they still needed to replace the pipes.

2. Unrelated, but he barely even took a slip. If you're going to do a "stunt" as he said, you need to commit. Chug that shit!
 
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Stinkles said:
Obama FANS? F-off with that horseshit right off the bat. I thought Obama was a decent man, an intelligent official and a great orator. But I am not a fanatic. He's the best option from a flawed two party system.


He says the pipes all need to be replaced. He's drinking it to show solidarity.

I think that's a bad idea, because the water was potable, but it's not safe in the long term.

Obama made lots of errors of judgment. Some his own, some his advisors, some shifting circumstances and many deliberate sabotage by the GOP at the country's expense.


However I also think drone strikes are a bad idea, but a better idea than ground invasions.

I'm also not going to stand by and let the seeds of a campaign to Carter/Hillarify Obama take root unchallenged. The same people who spent decades and millions creating a fictional hagiography of Reagan. The same people who deliberately undermined the Carter presidency by making a backroom deal with Iran to hold the hostages LONGER. They're going to spend millions trying to tear down Obama's legacy as a competent and ethical statesman and likely rewrite the Trump presidency via social media and right wing news until it seeps into the public consciousness, just as they did with Hillary Clinton for the twenty years PRECEDING her run for office. They're going to try to reframe Obama one shitty take at a time.


Of course he isn't perfect. Of course he isn't a saint. But don't get gaslit by people who want you to stay home on election day. And people who want you to think up is down.
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All of this. Get a grip, people.
 
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I dont appreciate being called white. Nor do i appreciate criticism of Obama's 'legacy' being misrepresented as some kind of partisan game (oh its a republican smear campaign!)

Obama is a failure of leadership and a person who did nothing but cower in front of the GOP, he's nowhere near "the best option" for this country. He managed the status quo, but its broken and has been broken for a long time and thats on him for running on "change we can belive in" that people have become disillusioned with politics in general.

If you want to challenge the issues on the merits, go right ahead, but dont be disingenious.

Obama at the very least should not be blindly shielded for attempting to cut social security and medicare in his grand bargain, creating multiple failed states through military intervention(yemen, libya) and CIA black ops bullshit(Honduras), doing absolutely nothing about our endless war on terror besides expanding it(especially through bush's drone program), doing literally nothing for the people of this country besides passing a mandate to buy corporate insurance of his GOP opponent mitt romney, slapping BP on the wrist for pumping hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil into the ocean despite it literally being the fault of the government's corrupt minerals management service, and punishing not a single banker or wall street executive for their complicity in the crash of 2008 while stuffing his admin with goldman sachs lobbyists
 
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I don't take issue with it. Trying to ease immediate fears which would just hurt the future economy.

He's not POTUS anymore so I'm not sure why it matters. I mean, why are we trying to pin this on Obama? Sure, we're "discussing" his publicity stunt, but more and more it feels like were just trying to remake Obama as the enemy. Or just trying to take his "fans" down a peg.

Obama wasn't perfect, so I never really expected perfection. Same goes for all the current candidates. I don't expect them to be perfect, just miles better than the shit bag we have now.
 
Kirblar

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Helio said:
He pretended to drink water TWICE to show everything was fine. So yeah, he tacitly aided with the GOP on this
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He absolutely did not say "everything was fine", and you have to be completely dishonest about the context in order to claim he did.

This is in 2016 in the midst of efforts to help fix things, not in 2014 months after the swapover.
 
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