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What rating do you think this game will get?

  • 90+

    Votes: 98 12.2%
  • 80+

    Votes: 475 59.2%
  • 70+

    Votes: 99 12.3%
  • 60+

    Votes: 13 1.6%
  • "Garbage like Xenoblade 2"

    Votes: 117 14.6%

  • Total voters
    802
  • Poll closed .

Dreamboum

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Don't know why you're relitigating this, and if I'm off base then I sincerely apologize, but I'd rather not dissuade developers from speaking about their influences and goals by labeling it as "PR speak," which may as well be code for "dishonest sales pitch."
I have no reason to dissuade devs from speaking. I also think namedropping isn't a good practice. He can earnestly believe that the mechanics resembles FFVI, it is also exactly the type of comments that spurs engagement on the internet, which it did. The same thing was done for every Asano's games that are original starting from 4 Heroes of Light.
 

Mysterio79

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User banned (2 weeks): Attempt to discredit outlet by accusing them of clickbaiting because they disagree with a subjective preview article. History of console warring and being actioned for it.
I'd love to know what people think "spiritual successor" means. Kotaku seems to be taking the angle that it must be similar at the level of gameplay and narrative (which I think I only half agree with; FFVI's gameplay was not entirely unique compared to other JRPGs - it was all about narrative).

Other people seem to think otherwise, though it's less clear to me what the term might mean to them.

So what's a spiritual successor? Does it consist in gameplay style, art style, and character focus? Does it imply having some mirrored or duplicated content? Does it even matter?

Lots of silliness going on. Part of me just wants to say "who cares about Square, Nintendo Life, or Kotaku think of any of this?" and move on, but clearly people care.
Kotaku are genius at what they do whether they are right or not: getting clicks.

Always been the clickiest most click happy gaming site on the web,
 

Eolz

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So, uh, has this preview been posted yet?

https://www.rpgsite.net/preview/744...iew-a-stunning-return-to-a-bygone-era-of-rpgs

It seems like a positive preview! Yay!
I think so.
The only negative preview so far is complaining it's not as good as FFVI (with its varied gameplay), posted after derailing the thread multiple times and reminding everyone that Ni No Kuni 2 is a better game than Xenoblade 2.
So might count as a positive for some anyway?
 

MoonFrog

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Okay I guess I won't peruse this thread to get a read on early near-release impressions on the game...strange thread.
 

Doorman

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After playing the prologue demo and having read bits and pieces from the previews and media buzz around the game up to this point, I get the sense that the OctoTrav hype base has taken the few scattered comments about "there is a main story" and interpreted that in a way that probably isn't nearly as accurate as people's dreams of the game have envisioned. The way the game is designed kind of necessitates that the game doesn't at some point turn into "eight heroes band together to [accomplish whatever task] in one big glorious opus once you get their introductory things out of the way." I suspect instead that the main story being referred to by the developers isn't a singular grand narrative, but more like a big puzzle wherein each of the eight protagonist's individual stories lend a few pieces. One character may encounter an antagonist during their storyline whose motives are more fully hinted at in someone else's, for instance. That way every character still goes through their own personal arc, but the party interactions and sense of larger story comes from the more subtle ways in which those individual tales weave around each other. Less of a singular plot and more about world-building.

If that's the case, then it's not what a lot of people were expecting, and the FFVI comparison definitely doesn't add up from a story presentation perspective at least, but I still personally find that plenty interesting enough so long as the 8 protagonist's stories are well-told. Still, the clash between the hype train and the anti-hype wall has been curiously strong with this project, and has been for a while now. That's...disappointing.

Man, the review thread for this game is absolutely guaranteed to be a shitshow, isn't it?
 

Rei

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I don't even see the similarities. It's a mix of new and old mechanism, and trying to create a different experience. Refreshing to say the least.

I'm just hoping all the characters in there has a combined story of something, because it really seems that it is seperate per character, and that the other characters aren't involved with the others.
 

Raven117

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Just to touch on this, the "doesn't matter the user" would be easier to believe if said person derailing the thread multiple times got at least a warning. But not all users are at the same level I guess.

This thread is a mess now.
Ha, of course not all users are the same level. Thats just the way of it. Some user's get latitude on who they are, some user's get latitude on whether their opinions align with other opinions, etc. etc.
 

Chrno

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ya'll over hyping the fuck out of this game.

will wait for reviews before buying. I hope it's good.
 

Mysterio79

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The producer was only talking about the gameplay mechanics when he said that. But people took that to mean the story structure was the same. People need to read past the headline.
Yeah it's pretty insane. People reading so deeply into his comments and becoming so emotional invested either way shows some serious imbalance. Like, wait for the game to come out and judge for yourselves.
 

Glio

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Sometimes I do not know what is worse, the pages that do clickbaits on the titles that do not reflect the reality or the people who only read the titles
 

Mysterio79

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ya'll over hyping the fuck out of this game.

will wait for reviews before buying. I hope it's good.
I don't understand why people feel the need to referee hype. Like, this is a gaming forum getting hyped is what we do.

I'm never dumb enough to walk into any game thinking it's going to be the GOAT because I know it will lead to disappointment, but like... you're talking to grown ass people here who can be as hyped as they want to be, if they're disapointed afterwards its on them... no harm no foul.
 

Pancoar

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Oct 25, 2017
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This thread is an embarrassment some of you need to grow up and not be so hostile about everything.

Just come off as deranged fanboys
Seriously, this reminds me of how people freaked out and overreacted when Jim Sterling gave BOTW a 7. Even had people saying he shouldn't do reviews anymore like we have people in here spouting.

Also people hyping this game way too much, just setting themselves up for disappointment.

I don't understand why people feel the need to referee hype. Like, this is a gaming forum getting hyped is what we do.

I'm never dumb enough to walk into any game thinking it's going to be the GOAT because I know it will lead to disappointment, but like... you're talking to grown ass people here who can be as hyped as they want to be, if they're disapointed afterwards its on them... no harm no foul.
Maybe because they end up attacking people with differing opinions, and get overly hostile if someone doesn't say the game is a 10/10 GOTY
 

Dreamboum

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I don't understand why people feel the need to referee hype. Like, this is a gaming forum getting hyped is what we do.

I'm never dumb enough to walk into any game thinking it's going to be the GOAT because I know it will lead to disappointment, but like... you're talking to grown ass people here who can be as hyped as they want to be.
Discussion is more important than hype. That's what a forum is about. If you feel threatened that your hype is being deflated by people, you're not engaging discussion, you just want to have validation for the excitement you have towards a video game.

The influence of FFVI in Octopath Traveler is a matter worthy of discussion, especially as it is a point that makes or break the game for a non-negligible number of people. I don't think the truth should be obfuscated just for people to feel happy about their purchase.
 

FLCL

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Pretty sure I will enjoy the game when it comes to visuals, music, gameplay. But the story seems really off going by previews. Sure it could be something that starts "slow" and then everything connects further into the game but right now everything points at this being 8 separate story lines were the other characters are just not part of it except for just... being there when running and batteling. Not sure how I feel about that. Depends on how the stories are I guess...
 

Mysterio79

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Maybe because they end up attacking people with differing opinions, and get overly hostile if someone doesn't say the game is a 10/10 GOTY
That's a different matter entirely.

As far as regular people being hyped for a game release though it's perfectly normal. What's weird is people who have not completed said game trying to act like they're doing some kind of civic duty to make sure they're not hyped.

Discussion is more important than hype. That's what a forum is about. If you feel threatened that your hype is being deflated by people, you're not engaging discussion, you just want to have validation for the excitement you have towards a video game.

The influence of FFVI in Octopath Traveler is a matter worthy of discussion, especially as it is a point that makes or break the game for a non-negligible number of people. I don't think the truth should be obfuscated just for people to feel happy about their purchase.
What truth is that?
 

Saint-14

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Yeah it's pretty insane. People reading so deeply into his comments and becoming so emotional invested either way shows some serious imbalance. Like, wait for the game to come out and judge for yourselves.
This coming from you is ironic considering how emotionally invested in things you can get, at least your posts never fail to be dramatic.
 

Doorman

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Discussion is more important than hype. That's what a forum is about. If you feel threatened that your hype is being deflated by people, you're not engaging discussion, you just want to have validation for the excitement you have towards a video game.

The influence of FFVI in Octopath Traveler is a matter worthy of discussion, especially as it is a point that makes or break the game for a non-negligible number of people. I don't think the truth should be obfuscated just for people to feel happy about their purchase.
While I agree with most of this point about discussion, and particularly the discussion of whether the developer's "spiritual successor" comments are accurate or not, I feel like it's kind of a weird disservice to claim that OctoTrav's similarity or not to FFVI is what "makes or breaks" the game, unless there's some implication that that's the only game worth appreciating. Whether they succeeded in evoking the same kinds of feelings players had from back in those days is one thing; whether or not the game, standing on its own merits, is really good is a different discussion.

Basically while I think the comparison talk is interesting on a number of levels, I'm a bit wary of how much of this thread is now boiling down to judging Octopath based so wholly on its adherence to that comparison. It's an oddly arbitrary bar to have to pass now.

Still...I guess this might technically be better than constantly arguing about whether a full retail game should be worth $60, so maybe we should take what we can get at this point.
 

Dreamboum

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While I agree with most of this point about discussion, and particularly the discussion of whether the developer's "spiritual successor" comments are accurate or not, I feel like it's kind of a weird disservice to claim that OctoTrav's similarity or not to FFVI is what "makes or breaks" the game, unless there's some implication that that's the only game worth appreciating. Whether they succeeded in evoking the same kinds of feelings players had from back in those days is one thing; whether or not the game, standing on its own merits, is really good is a different discussion.

Basically while I think the comparison talk is interesting on a number of levels, I'm a bit wary of how much of this thread is now boiling down to judging Octopath based so wholly on its adherence to that comparison. It's an oddly arbitrary bar to have to pass now.

Still...I guess this might technically be better than constantly arguing about whether a full retail game should be worth $60, so maybe we should take what we can get at this point.
I agree, but people were really sold on that.

I honestly think this game is neither FFVI nor is it SaGa now. I think it's just its own thing and that's fine.
 

ThankDougie

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Kotaku are genius at what they do whether they are right or not: getting clicks.

Always been the clickiest most click happy gaming site on the web,
Uhh, no? I mean, I don't like all of their content and sometimes I wish they'd stick to more in-depth features, but they're no more clicky than any other site on the net. What do you honestly think is better?
 

Mysterio79

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Uhh, no? I mean, I don't like all of their content and sometimes I wish they'd stick to more in-depth features, but they're no more clicky than any other site on the net. What do you honestly think is better?
I've stopped following gaming sites and I get my news here. I never liked Kotaku though and found them to be pioneers in clickbait. I used to favor Eurogamer but even they seem to have gone south.
 

Shiba

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From gamespot’s preview it sounds good but I would like more previews, especially since I don’t trust gamexplain or nintendolife.
 
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Hogger

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We don't deserve games like this if the community is going to act this way.

My God, the past several days all discussion has spiraled down the toilet. This community has let the topic of price and comparisons to 25 year old games hold all other aspects worth discussing hostage.

*Goes back to playing through demo again*
 

BlueManifest

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I've stopped following gaming sites and I get my news here. I never like Kotaku though and found them to be pioneers in clickbait. I used to favor Eurogamer but even they seem to have gone south.
Ive never agreed with them ever since they said FF15 was good and xenoblade 2 was bad, I still like reading everyone’s opinion though including theirs
 

TaleSpun

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Dev teams should always be encouraged to pursue their vision, but yeah, the ensemble element of an RPG is pretty crucial to me. The demo is really fun and I’ll probably get the full thing later, but unless reviews indicate a big shift in the second half of the game (very doubtful), I can wait.

I think reviews are going to be middling or even pretty divisive. People should definitely temper expectations.
 

Dodgerfan74

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This thread is an embarrassment some of you need to grow up and not be so hostile about everything.

Just come off as deranged fanboys
The review thread is going to be amazing. Who could have guessed that a game claimed to be a spiritual successor of one of the most beloved games ever released that is also a Switch exclusive would lead to hysterics?

There's probably already someone prepping for it by combing through Schrier's old articles, putting together evidence of his conspiracy to destroy Nintendo.
 

Dreamboum

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I think reviews are going to be middling or even pretty divisive.
Reviews are going to be glowing, there is no reason to doubt this. At most there is going to be a dichotomy between player reception in hardcore circles vs. reviews but make no mistake that this game is going to have incredible scores. It's already heralded as the real Final Fantasy XVI and nobody even finished this game yet so it tells you everything you need to know.
 

Lozjam

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From gamespot’s preview it sounds good but I would like more previews, especially since I don’t trust gamexplain or nintendolife.
What? I can understand Nintendolife. However, GameXplain tends to be way more critical than even major outlets. GameXplain was one of the few outlets that didn’t give BotW a perfect score. Really though, the only thing to not trust is Ash Paulsen’s reviews with mega man.
 

BlueManifest

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Reviews are going to be glowing, there is no reason to doubt this. At most there is going to be a dichotomy between player reception in hardcore circles vs. reviews but make no mistake that this game is going to have incredible scores. It's already heralded as the real Final Fantasy XVI and nobody even finished this game yet so it tells you everything you need to know.
Just 1 preview said that, I think scores will be around xenoblade 2 which is still good though
 

Plum

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Discussion is more important than hype. That's what a forum is about. If you feel threatened that your hype is being deflated by people, you're not engaging discussion, you just want to have validation for the excitement you have towards a video game.

The influence of FFVI in Octopath Traveler is a matter worthy of discussion, especially as it is a point that makes or break the game for a non-negligible number of people. I don't think the truth should be obfuscated just for people to feel happy about their purchase.
Broad discussion is more important than hype. Right now the discussion on whether Octopath Traveler is a spiritual successor to FFVI has overshadowed all other discussions, including discussion of the previews themselves. This is especially jarring when you consider there's a still-alive thread on that exact quote; the only real reason this discussion is here is because Kotaku/Jason Schreier brought it into their review and then chose to fan the flames with his comments on hyperbole and Xenoblade 2. On top of that, the initial quote was, itself, a misquote, with the director only calling it a spiritual successor in gameplay alone instead of structure, characters, story, etc.

It just gets tiring because, up until yesterday, the "FFVIness" of Octopath Traveler was not a massive selling point or a major talking point. Sure, the "make a FFVI remake with the engine" crowd has always been there (me included), but very few people were only talking about OT's likeness to the game as they are in this thread.
 

Saint-14

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Dev teams should always be encouraged to pursue their vision, but yeah, the ensemble element of an RPG is pretty crucial to me. The demo is really fun and I’ll probably get the full thing later, but unless reviews indicate a big shift in the second half of the game (very doubtful), I can wait.

I think reviews are going to be middling or even pretty divisive. People should definitely temper expectations.
I’m still expecting it to score over 80, haven’t read major problems aside from the party interactions which I don’t know how much others care for.
 

Shiba

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What? I can understand Nintendolife. However, GameXplain tends to be way more critical than even major outlets. GameXplain was one of the few outlets that didn’t give BotW a perfect score. Really though, the only thing to not trust is Ash Paulsen’s reviews with mega man.
It’s just my general rule to not trust any platform-centric outlet. Doesn’t matter how critical they are compared others.
 

Thatguy

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We don't deserve games like this if the community is going to act this way.

My God, the past several days all discussion has spiraled down the toilet. This community has let the topic of price and comparisons to 25 year old games hold all other aspects worth discussing hostage.

*Goes back to playing through demo again*
The industry at large has a terrible habit of name dropping during promotional periods. There are a few special games out there that people hold in very high esteem. If you name drop one of these games, you're pretty much asking for it. FF6 is one of them.