Yep
Also man, the fire captain's daughter. Maybe the officer will actually get fired let alone receive a proper punishment.
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Officer fatally shot a woman while aiming at a loose dog.
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Also man, the fire captain's daughter. Maybe the officer will actually get fired let alone receive a proper punishment.
Americans really don't know how true this is. A police officer merely injuring criminals is national news here. I can't imagine what would happen if the police just randomly murdered innocent people for no reason whatsoever.
German police officers are also trained to shoot aggressive dogs. You don't wanna risk potentially lifethreatening infections because of dog bites.
What the fuck?
Why did he even try to shoot the dog when the women was clearly in the line of the shot?
If a german officer acted like this he would go to prison for involuntary manslaughter ("fahrlässige Tötung").
Prison would be necessary in this case because a cop should know better than shooting at a dog when humans are in the line of shot. Because of this, the accidental nature is such that a clear and grave guilt is on the officers side, even though he didn't intend to kill the woman.
Similar to a drunk driver killing someone.
Why did he even try to shoot the dog when the women was clearly in the line of the shot?
If a german officer acted like this he would go to prison for involuntary manslaughter ("fahrlässige Tötung").
Prison would be necessary in this case because a cop should know better than shooting at a dog when humans are in the line of shot. Because of this, the accidental nature is such that a clear and grave guilt is on the officers side, even though he didn't intend to kill the woman.
Similar to a drunk driver killing someone.
"Hello?...Are you ok?"
*blamblamblam*
It was like he was trying to lure her in like a fucking serial killer.
*blamblamblam*
It was like he was trying to lure her in like a fucking serial killer.
With certain exceptions such as the police in Northern Ireland and the Transport Police, that more or less describes the police in the UK. Guns used to be issued willy nilly when required, but eventually they decided to leave firearm response to heavily trained specialist units.
Officers still carry personal defence items, depending on their role. The emphasis is very much on training the officers in de-escalation, though. They'll routinely face people who are armed with knives, with nothing much more than pepper spray and a good way with words.
Everytime I see a video of an American cop gunning down a dog a ask myself if their dogs are different than ours. They always react as if a fucking lion is charging them. Unbelievable.
It doesn't really look like he even shot that way honestly. Weird
There were days of riots around England in 2011 after Mark Duggan was shot by police in Tottenham.
2011 England riots - Wikipedia
For those asking about the reverse, if someone killed a police dog, you're basically prosecuted as if you killed an officer
And police dogs are most assuredly bigger than 40 fucking pounds.
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/10181-man-who-killed-police-dog-gets-extremely-long-sentence/
And police dogs are most assuredly bigger than 40 fucking pounds.
Pathetic. Imagine being that terrified that a dog is coming towards, that you that you whip out your gun and start shooting wildly in the direction of the possibly entirely friendly animal.
What an awful situation.
What an awful situation.
A 40lb dog is absolutely a threat. I've seen a dog just under 40 lb tear a chunk out of a person's arm leading to a long recovery, physical therapy, and permanent injury.
Of course that does not mean this 40 lb dog was a threat that required this response.
Yeah, his agency is gonna cut him loose real quick.
No training or common sense tells you to shoot at a dog with a human in the line of fire. That belt has more reasonable and justifiable tools on it than the handgun in that scenario.
No training or common sense tells you to shoot at a dog with a human in the line of fire. That belt has more reasonable and justifiable tools on it than the handgun in that scenario.
Yeah, that dog could have set off her allergies or lied down on her face, suffocating her. Better murder everybody in front of him, just to be sure.
It's really weird that you want to absolve the cop by assigning some higher motivation to the dog, like that somehow makes things better. It's a dog, maybe it was territorial. Maybe it was feeling protective of the woman. Maybe it's owner wears similar clothing so it was mistaken identity. Maybe the dog's weird "I'm going to just start bolting around" instinct kicked in.
Pretty sure the dog wasn't on a murder spree that needed to be ended.
Gee, whatever could anyone with legs and an otherwise fully-functional body do when a 40lb housepet runs at them?
There's literal video evidence of him murdering someone.
Come the fuck on.
A 40lb dog is not a threat to an adult, anecdotal evidence be damned. Bigger dogs like German Shepards? Absolutely. You piss of one of those and they can bite your face off - but emphasis on "piss it off". A 40lb dog is like a big corgi or a small schnauzer. Whatever the lab mix was, it was a lot smaller than a normal labrador and a dog like that does not need you to pull out a gun. I wouldn't even want to use a taser on it because it might die from the shock.
The worst part is the dog was only protecting their owner. Dogs aren't stupid. They won't hurt you unless they think you're a threat, even in a situation as stressful as that. That cop could've easily calmed the dog and then helped the woman, but no... He just pulls out a gun and opens fire.
And in the vast majority of cases it works!
If we had tens of thousands of armed police and guns on the street I guess we'd end up like the US.
Mail carriers and food delivery people with more ability to deal with a dog than a cop armed to the teeth ready to shoot anything that moves.
I think there's an intent component for it to be considered murder. As big of an idiot this pig is, I doubt he was trying to shoot the woman. Hopefully he goes away for the maximum time you can get for manslaughter.
is it really necessary for you to imply that im dense? come on man, that does nothing to promote a healthy discussion.
to address the rest of your post, that is not my logic, at all. the dog was running at the officer and barking/growling. i've made myself very clear that he fucked up by going straight for his gun. i'm just trying to suggest that waiting for a dog to attack maybe isn't the best plan of defense? i understand and hear the mailman arguments and what i am trying to say is this officers training failed him (i honestly dont know if mailman receive any kind of training for dogs chasing them), which is why he made the mistake of pulling out that gun and shooting when he shouldn't have. therefore, i absolutely agree he fucked up and better training could have prevented the situation.
that does not mean he is innocent, i never said that
body shaming me? come on man get outta here with that shit
i don't think all american police officers like shooting dogs, that seems like a bit of an exaggeration. and that's terrible what happened in that story, but that's not representative of all cops, so it seems really unfair, especially to cops who's partners are actual dogs
he clearly shot her on accident! does that mean he's innocent? fuck no, i never said that. i had to turn the volume up on a second watch before i heard her say "i'm fine" which i already explained earlier in the thread.
i'm not trying to absolve the cop, i've said many times that he fucked up. and yeah, you're right, maybe the dog was being territorial or it's instinct kicked in, which is when the officers terrible training kicked in and he made a terrible choice, which i acknowledged in my first post in this thread.
again, if the cop was really worried perhaps he could have tased the dog? i dunno man i'm just trying to look at this from the pov of someone who didn't want to get bitten by a fucking dog, and all they see is this thing hauling ass towards him and barking. again, perhaps better training could have helped prevent all of this, but regardless he made the choice and he is going to have to pay the price. not absolving anyone here.
i see what you're saying, maybe it's just semantics, but saying it feels like "straight murder" seems to imply intent, as if the officer fired his weapon with the intent to kill that woman, and i don't think that's what he did. he's still going to have to answer to her killing (and the dog, if it is dead), which, in this country, unfortunately means he'll probably get away with it (something i don't want).
Oh boy...He F'd up big time.
I remember when I was younger I was a mail man and had to deal with peoples dogs who always used to say "he won't bite" while he is aggressively charging you (All we got was stupid ass pepper spray as if that would help deal with that shit) smh so I understand the feeling of dealing with that bullshit and not knowing if you're going to get a chunk taken out of you but wildly firing a gun with citizens around is a no go man. That dude was poorly trained and shouldn't have had a gun but with that said after being a mailman I hate other people's dogs and I feel uncomfortable around them.
I remember when I was younger I was a mail man and had to deal with peoples dogs who always used to say "he won't bite" while he is aggressively charging you (All we got was stupid ass pepper spray as if that would help deal with that shit) smh so I understand the feeling of dealing with that bullshit and not knowing if you're going to get a chunk taken out of you but wildly firing a gun with citizens around is a no go man. That dude was poorly trained and shouldn't have had a gun but with that said after being a mailman I hate other people's dogs and I feel uncomfortable around them.
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dude wtf are you talking about? i never said anything close to that
okay, i gotta back out of this because people are just stuffing words down my throat at this point
RIP to that poor lady (and her dog?) and i hope the officer doesn't get away clean just because he's wearing the uniform (which will unfortunately probably happen)
The pov of someone that doesn't want to get bitten by a dog? I'm not particularly afraid of dogs but when I was a child a neighborhood dog started after me. You know what I did? I ran. Everyone lived that day.
I guess that would have been too big of a blow to the pig's pride.
As a side note I later learned the dog just wanted to play.
What the actual fuck? Unbelievable, man. You can't tell me he had no other viable options but his first instinct is to pull out a gun and now someone is dead. Disgusting.
fuck's sake just fire into the air or something. pepper spray it. This is not Resident Evil. It is just a dog.
I have years of experience working with aggressive dogs. I'm not reading sensational news stories and watching liveleak. Other 40 lb dogs include pit bulls, cattle dogs, border collies, etc. They're faster than an adult human, capable of jumping and pulling them down, and capable of tearing off their flesh and even killing.
Most dogs out there are not immediately aggressive to humans. I would never underestimate a dog that size who was though.
And there are jobs out there that expose workers to infinitely more interactions with dogs and they managed to not get maimed while also not having guns and shooting first and asking questions later.
How do mail carriers manage...
In America the solution to a problem is apparently shooting it.
Just American gun culture at work sadly. British armed police are also far better trained, which is why when the London Bridge attack happened all the terrorists were shot dead within 8 minutes of the attack happening. I'd never worry about armed British police, if they have guns they will know how to use them, American police on the other hand I'd be shit scared.
The guy is Asian.
That said, he should be punished to the full extent of the law. So fuck this guy. What he did was inexcusable.
This is the video I was talking about...
How is this shit okay.
How is this shit okay.