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[Official] The Witcher 3 on the Switch will run at 540p in handheld mode and 720p docked with dynamic resolution enabled.
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Lol, this is masterfully dishonest even for you. Xenoblade 2 (Torna in particular) looks and runs great.
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It's a bit insulting how you seem to oversimplify the developer's job behind this port, but hey, sub low settings, lmao lol XD.
This is the kind of game that must've been a bitch to port from start to finish. A studio's work to port such a game to a device with these specs should be commended, not laughed at.
To me this is RE2 on N64 levels of porting: to make the unexpected happen.
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Switch is a fine device, but they did go with a Tegra X1 derivative while more powerfull options were available, at not that much higher prices.
I love Xenoblade 2, but it looks like shit and even more so in handheld mode.
No, that's not what I meant. I see now that you meant only to touch upon aspects of visual fidelity in your original response, but the person you were responding to was asking where the best experience might be, and I took that to be a question that related to more than just visuals.
I took that to mean that you were recommending remote play and PC streaming as inherently better experiences than playing the game natively on a portable game device designed specifically for the function. They can undoubtedly be better visual experiences, but given what I thought you were saying, I intended only to suggest that there's advantages to native play on Switch despite constraints elsewhere, and constraints to streamed play despite advantages elsewhere, that make the Switch version a better alternative for playing the game portably than fidelity-centric comparisons might suggest.
Believe me, I don't find much to be cumbersome or inconvenient when it comes to streaming. My experience with streaming is extensive, and I stream all the time to a number of devices with every streaming-capable gaming device I own. Phones, tablets, gaming PCs, laptops, consoles, televisions... you name it, I've clocked dozens of hours playing streamed games on it. I think streaming is amazing and it opens up a world of new possibilities and conveniences of its own.
As does the Switch version of this game - a full-fat, feature-complete current-gen open world RPG making its way to a handheld platform fully intact, with no cutbacks beyond expected visual downgrades, for the first time, really. It really is a remarkable achievement. In fact, ts release on Switch is an unprecedented enough thing in the handheld space that he visual cutbacks do very little to take away from that fact.
Consider that a significant number of gamers generally considered handhelds to be the premier place to enjoy long and intricate RPGs back when the GBA, DS, and PSP were in their heydays.
This, despite the fact that GBA RPGs looked like SNES games and sounded worse. This, despite the fact that DS and PSP RPGs tended to lack the spectacle and presentational paradigm shifts seen on RPGs hitting console platforms at the time. This, despite the fact that experiences present on console platforms of the era often weren't even achievable on portable platforms, and that direct ports of RPGs from those consoles to their handheld counterparts was generally impossible, or necessitated extensive ground-up redevelopment and major alterations to content, mechanics, and especially visuals.
Despite all this, people loved those handhelds as RPG machines because handhelds are a convenient and accessible place to play such games. People happily played and loved Golden Sun in the era of Final Fantasy X. People happily played and loved the critically acclaimed isometric sprite-based Tony Hawk games on GBA in the era of THPS4 and THUG. And among them, people who owned both PS2 and GBA, and still found a lot to love in the GBA's library of RPGs.
Witcher 3 is a current-gen masterpiece. It it an intricate open world RPG, one of the largest-scale open world RPGs ever released. It's the RPG that set the bar for an entire generation of RPGs on consoles.
And it's been ported to a same-generation handheld game system, in its entirety. Not a spinoff, not a completely different vision of the game developed separately as necessitated by traditional handheld constraints. The full, real thing. And the only trade off is a positively reasonable reduction to resolution and fidelity. And despite this game's origins as a AAA console RPG with high production values, TW3's visual identity is still retained on Switch, and again, nothing else is changed or lost in the translation. It's a really impressive thing.
And for those of you in this thread who would suggest that the Switch version is still too compromised to justify, I've got an upcoming series of posts for you, starting right after this one, that I hope will color your perspective with some much-needed context, and allow you to respect the achievement this port stands to represent.
You are NOT allowed to play a game lower than 1080p!!1
I remember threads about doom and wolfenstein on switch. Oh man.its like when you liked to play the games you are a lesser human being.
I played through both docked and had a great time (which is impossible)
You're missing the point.
Let me reiterate: it's not unexpected or impossible to down port a game to any console.
If you sacrifice image quality and assets quality you can downport from xbox one x to 3ds.
I'm sure even rdr2 can be ported to switch with low poly characters and low res textures, no AA, low distance draw and low object density.
I wouldn't call it impossible or unexpected but ok.
So the game is 32GB, yet fits onto a 32GB cartridge...What
Surely there will be a small download then? If you're missing my point, a 32GB cartridge doesn't actually hold 32GB, it's more like 27.
Sounds like the audio would be ok then, tbh just removing 1080p assets would save on a ton of space.
Surely there will be a small download then? If you're missing my point, a 32GB cartridge doesn't actually hold 32GB, it's more like 27.
Sounds like the audio would be ok then, tbh just removing 1080p assets would save on a ton of space.
Have you ever ported a game? You realise you're simply, unequivocally wrong, right?
If you started posting how superior the PC version is in console threads, you would get banned pretty swiftly. The moderation in this forum is simply incompetent when it comes to concern trolling from homeconsole users.
I ported my own game from Wintermutw engine to Godot engine. Does that count? Lol
I'm not wrong about downporting but it's ok. Keep thinking that they achieved the impossible lol
I think it's more that just posting "disgusting" and nothing else makes you look like a troll.
And you keep taking the word 'impossible' in its most literal meaning as possible.
Obviously I meant it as very rarely will a studio will invest the amount of time and money necessary to port and tweak a game of this caliber to this console, is all.
Nah 720 is fine.
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I'm definitely getting it for both modes.
I've been a developer for 5 years, I just hope everyone knows what you're saying is nonsense. If you're talking about moving from a strong GPU to a weaker GPU by making cutbacks in that department, theoretically you could just remake the entire visual components of the game until it worked, sure. Eventually lods and texture downscaling might not be enough, and you'd end up basically remaking the game on a visual front (I guess there's a debate about whether or not this is a port or simply a remake). The moment you factor the CPU in there, you might have to sacrifice core systems of the game. Reducing AI counts or environment sizes might not be enough, if the game relies on any CPU heavy systems for it's core makeup (a physics heavy game, or the like). The same could really be said for any fundamental GPU-centric elements, like a reliance on real time lighting or dynamic shadows (splinter cell wouldn't have worked on an N64, sorry).
The fact of the matter is, this isn't a remake, it's using the absolute same fabric as the PS4/PC/XboxOne version, albeit heavily cut back. This is mighty impressive.
I should say, I'm actually a big advocate for the idea that things can be ported more often than people on ERA seem to think. But the idea that anything can be ported to anything is simply ludicrous. I guess you could try and make a DS game with the same spirit as RDR2, but you're sure as fuck not going to port that game to it lol.
Xenoblade is unfinished anyway so it's most certainly not going to be the best game to use as comparisons.
It's certainly not good to be ok with this game but it's only a fluke so it'll get better.
Still can't believe they managed to get it running. If anyone who buys this on the switch especially after how long it's been on other consoles manages to only just complain about the frame rate and all that bullshit then that's a good sign of how pathetic that person is
I can see that and that's fair enough. I also just post " sounds good" for the things I think sound good. Even so, im not gonna tiptoe around eggshells in fear of upsetting people who are easily upset by someone not liking something they like or are content with for fear of invalidating their playing preferences or such and such
To chime in, I think the biggest point of contention with the Switch is that some people (Me, for example) think there is enough similarity in the performance of the Switch (And complete feature set parity) that any game that exists on PS4/Xbox One and has decent performance can be ported over, keeping the same code base, assets, shading, etc. and be perfectly playable and enjoyable, obviously with Lod, texture and resolution cutbacks like we see here, but ultimately the same game; and some people think these are miracles that were never meant to be.
Oh yeah I totally agree with you. I actually think we haven't seen much this gen that couldn't be ported with said cutbacks. I'm more laughing at the concept of RDR2 on DS. The Witcher on switch isn't a miracle, but it's a damn achievement none the less.
I have it on the PS4 and I'm getting the Switch version for the portability factor.
I rarely play my PS4 because I don't have the time. My 3DS/Switch get the most use because I can use them in small batches, when I'm not home.
I'm looking forward to being able to my one of my all time favorite games without being confined to my living room.
I mean, I think The Witcher 3 is a damn achievement period. So much went into crafting the thing and making it be performant that I think it's a damn achievement on PS4, on XBOX, on PC... And Switch is simply an extension of that achievement. Obviously it takes lots of talent and knowledge to port all of that code to a different platform and keep the level of optimization, I just think the level of performance the game gets on PS4 is every bit as impressive as what it does on Switch.
For instance, people here would kill you for saying this, but I think Red Dead Redemption 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 could see a Switch version just like The Witcher 3 is seeing a Switch version, and they would look just fine with the same sort of sacrifices The Witcher 3 has seen.
Nintendo can't catch a breath, can they?
When the major 3rd party games from the other current consoles skip the device: "No 3rd party support! That's really shitty lol!"
When it finally gets a major 3rd party game from the other current consoles but suffers the inevitable downgrade : "lol that's really bad. Who wants to play this potato port anyway?"
When the major 3rd party games from the other current consoles skip the device: "No 3rd party support! That's really shitty lol!"
When it finally gets a major 3rd party game from the other current consoles but suffers the inevitable downgrade : "lol that's really bad. Who wants to play this potato port anyway?"
It is, what do you want me to say.
Takahashi said they would never do that again. Use a reduced team and external help like that.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was a Wii U game initially. Would explain the problems even more.
And that is, away from the fact that I didn't like it. It needed so many updates and still not work completely fine.
But, cool for people who loved it.
They don't want their beloved console to look cheap compared to the ridiculous baby Switch.
Nothing new.
This will be a series of posts meant to reinstate some perspective on what is and isn't impressive or worth applauding in the context of handheld gaming.
Witcher 3 is a masterpiece. It it an intricate current-gen AAA open-world RPG, one of the largest-scale open-world RPGs ever released. It's the RPG that set the bar for an entire generation of RPGs on consoles. And it's been ported to Switch, in its entirety, no alterations to content or mechanics. You'll soon learn (or remember) that that makes TW3 on Switch a rather unique case, and that in fact, The Witcher 3's visuals on Switch are among the most impressive ever seen for a port of an ambitious, large scale AAA game to a handheld platform.
The Nintendo Switch has a 6" 720p, 237ppi screen.
540p (the resolution at which The Witcher 3 runs on Switch as a handheld game) is 75% of the Nintendo Switch's native screen resolution.
At 75% of 720p @ 6", that means that The Witcher 3 on Switch has an effective PPI of 177.75.
We're going to compare these measures against those of other games over a series of posts, including some of the most lauded technical achievements in handheld gaming history. Ports of games, engines, and designs that people had once thought impossible on handhelds. Games that were universally celebrated for 'technical wizardry', and for advancing the state of handheld gaming.
In addition to those measures, I will mention compromises made to mechanics, design, and gameplay - major changes made to content and gameplay that made these milestones in handheld gaming possible to achieve. Deep cuts that go beyond impacting the audiovisual experience and change the nature of gameplay itself.
If the effective PPI of a listed game is lower than TW3's 177.75, then that means that the game in question appears blurrier and lower-resolution on its home platform's screen than The Witcher 3 appears on Switch's screen. The lower the effective PPI, the more noticeable the blur.
And if the % of native resolution is lower, then as a result, image upscaling to native resolution, which further degrades image quality and results in additional blur, has more of a negative effect on that game's image quality as played on its home platform's screen, than Witcher 3 Switch's % of native resolution has on its image quality on Switch's screen.
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Let's begin, with a Vita game. The Playstation Vita has a 5" 544p, 220ppi screen.
Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Vita)
Released in 2012, considered to be one of Vita's most impressive ports - a port of an open-world racing game from PS3 and 360 over to PS Vita
Genre: Racing
Resolution: 640X384 (384p), 70% of native resolution, 155 effective PPI
Screenshots and comparisons (to PS3)
Content changes: Severe reduction to traffic density, severe reduction to the number of competitors and police patrols during races and events both offline and online
Tomorrow I'll post a couple of more Vita 'miracle port' breakdowns in one post, so we can see how other ports of ambitious current-gen AAA games to handhelds held up in the past, and can let that context inform our expectations appropriately.
How could you have possibly enjoyed Most Wanted on Vita when it looked like this!??!??
Just kidding. I loved it because it was a full-fat AAA console racing game with shitloads of cars and Autolog MP functionality on a handheld. Visual cutbacks weren't enough to outweigh the value of solid gameplay and content. Hell, not even the content cutbacks were.
Witcher 3 is a masterpiece. It it an intricate current-gen AAA open-world RPG, one of the largest-scale open-world RPGs ever released. It's the RPG that set the bar for an entire generation of RPGs on consoles. And it's been ported to Switch, in its entirety, no alterations to content or mechanics. You'll soon learn (or remember) that that makes TW3 on Switch a rather unique case, and that in fact, The Witcher 3's visuals on Switch are among the most impressive ever seen for a port of an ambitious, large scale AAA game to a handheld platform.
The Nintendo Switch has a 6" 720p, 237ppi screen.
540p (the resolution at which The Witcher 3 runs on Switch as a handheld game) is 75% of the Nintendo Switch's native screen resolution.
At 75% of 720p @ 6", that means that The Witcher 3 on Switch has an effective PPI of 177.75.
We're going to compare these measures against those of other games over a series of posts, including some of the most lauded technical achievements in handheld gaming history. Ports of games, engines, and designs that people had once thought impossible on handhelds. Games that were universally celebrated for 'technical wizardry', and for advancing the state of handheld gaming.
In addition to those measures, I will mention compromises made to mechanics, design, and gameplay - major changes made to content and gameplay that made these milestones in handheld gaming possible to achieve. Deep cuts that go beyond impacting the audiovisual experience and change the nature of gameplay itself.
If the effective PPI of a listed game is lower than TW3's 177.75, then that means that the game in question appears blurrier and lower-resolution on its home platform's screen than The Witcher 3 appears on Switch's screen. The lower the effective PPI, the more noticeable the blur.
And if the % of native resolution is lower, then as a result, image upscaling to native resolution, which further degrades image quality and results in additional blur, has more of a negative effect on that game's image quality as played on its home platform's screen, than Witcher 3 Switch's % of native resolution has on its image quality on Switch's screen.
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Let's begin, with a Vita game. The Playstation Vita has a 5" 544p, 220ppi screen.
Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Vita)
Released in 2012, considered to be one of Vita's most impressive ports - a port of an open-world racing game from PS3 and 360 over to PS Vita
Genre: Racing
Resolution: 640X384 (384p), 70% of native resolution, 155 effective PPI
Screenshots and comparisons (to PS3)
Content changes: Severe reduction to traffic density, severe reduction to the number of competitors and police patrols during races and events both offline and online
Tomorrow I'll post a couple of more Vita 'miracle port' breakdowns in one post, so we can see how other ports of ambitious current-gen AAA games to handhelds held up in the past, and can let that context inform our expectations appropriately.
How could you have possibly enjoyed Most Wanted on Vita when it looked like this!??!??
Just kidding. I loved it because it was a full-fat AAA console racing game with shitloads of cars and Autolog MP functionality on a handheld. Visual cutbacks weren't enough to outweigh the value of solid gameplay and content. Hell, not even the content cutbacks were.
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Every time a game is ported, and always downgraded, developers have done the impossible!
This sounds great!
Looking forward to the day that the people who get mad that some game they won't buy might not have enough pixels get their place in the DSM-5. I mean, imagine the sheer amount of nerd... er, I mean "nerve" required to think that you've better considered the feasibility of this port than the people doing it.
Looking forward to the day that the people who get mad that some game they won't buy might not have enough pixels get their place in the DSM-5. I mean, imagine the sheer amount of nerd... er, I mean "nerve" required to think that you've better considered the feasibility of this port than the people doing it.
As long as the performance is decent, 540p is fine on the Switch screen. I will probably get this if impressions are alright, just to be able to play this fantastic game (and the DLC which I did not yet play) in my hands.
It's a fun game to check how many times some of these posters have posted in Nintendo-related threads before.
What does the game's age have to do with anything? It's still one of the most demanding open world titles this generation.
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You can theoretically downport RDR2 to Game Boy. What people are saying here is it's amazing that they were able to downport the game to run on Switch and it still be a sellable product. You know this, I'm sure. I guess you just feeling like arguing on your high horse?
Ok then, go port The Witcher on 3DS, I would like to play it!
The Switch is more relatively powerful for its time to the Psvita. It has a 4000 MAh battery that lasts 2.5h in demanding games and active cooling, whereas the Vita has a 2200 MAh battery that lasts about 3.5 hours.
It simply uses a lot more power. Had the Vita had the same form factor and power usage budget as the Switch, it would have got a lot more third party games with fewer sacrifices.
