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TheMan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seems like they're late to the party. Cigarette use has decreased significantly in favor of vaping
 

Darkstar0155

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't think people realise just how many death each year smoking causes. Even a seeming pointless infringement on your rights like this will help toward making smoking more and more socially unacceptable and ultimately banned out right, like other less harmful drugs like heroin and cocaine.
This isn't going to do anything to make smoking less acceptable. smoking is already on the decline because it got too expensive, and everyone finally learned how stupid and unhealthy it is. Kids are vaping now a days anyways. Only people I ever see smoking anymore are older adults.

BTW, I think most everyone realizes how many deaths it causes, thus the decline. Some of us just don't like the government controlling what I can do with my body.
 

sgtnosboss

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Nov 9, 2017
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I am wishy washy on this. I smoke so its probably biased, but in my opinion if you are old enough to die for our country you should be old enough to smoke or drink. so maybe I would be more accepting if they also moved up military age? or move those two back down, idk
 

Xiao Hu

Chicken Chaser
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Oct 26, 2017
1,497
Should put an age restriction on nicotine products in general. Shit is dangerous, highly addictive, and a heavy burden on public health in any way possible.

Yours sincerely

A former smoker
 

Daria

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Twilight Zone
You want to bar certain adults from certain activities based on arbitrary dates? That's way the fuck more odd. Let's make it illegal for people to have sex until they are 27. Lets make it illegal for people to watch porn until they are 24.

watching porn is not a public health issue. teenagers smoking is
Smoking in the United States military has its own wiki page, hilariously.

I want people to have control over their own bodies. If they want to smoke, that's their decision -- no one else's. I have a disingenuous question of my own, too! Why do you want to exercise control over other people's bodies?

i'm exercising control so big tobacco cannot market and sell dangerous products to people whose brains are still developing. if you have no care about public health, sure, let them begin smoking whenever they want.
 

Pillock

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Dec 29, 2017
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Should put an age restriction on nicotine products in general. Shit is dangerous, highly addictive, and a heavy burden on public health in any way possible.

Yours sincerely

A former smoker
It's the nicotine the keeps you addicted, but it's the 100's of other toxic chemicals that poison you.
 

Pillock

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Dec 29, 2017
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This isn't going to do anything to make smoking less acceptable. smoking is already on the decline because it got too expensive, and everyone finally learned how stupid and unhealthy it is. Kids are vaping now a days anyways. Only people I ever see smoking anymore are older adults.

BTW, I think most everyone realizes how many deaths it causes, thus the decline. Some of us just don't like the government controlling what I can do with my body.
It keeps smoking in a negative light as opposed to 'oh it's just a cigarette' smoking is terrible and anything that might stop people is a good thing in my book.

Saying this as someone who smoked for 20 years.
 

Deleted member 28564

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Oct 31, 2017
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i'm exercising control so big tobacco cannot market and sell dangerous products to people whose brains are still developing. if you have no care about public health, sure, let them begin smoking whenever they want.
The brain only stops developing when you're 25. Clearly we should consider 24 year olds minors. Ban smoking in public, if you're concerned about second hand smoking.

Edit: Apparently, your brain can still be in development in your 30s, so I should rectify my previous point. Better safe than sorry!
 
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Darkstar0155

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Oct 27, 2017
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It keeps smoking in a negative light as opposed to 'oh it's just a cigarette' smoking is terrible and anything that might stop people is a good thing in my book.

Saying this as someone who smoked for 20 years.
The law has never made kids NOT want to do something and put it in a negative light (if anything it does the opposite).

Hollywood and media have more to do with the perception of smoking being cool then the law ever will be.

And again, who are YOU to say what another ADULT should be able to do to their body.
 

Pillock

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Dec 29, 2017
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The law has never made kids NOT want to do something and put it in a negative light (if anything it does the opposite).

Hollywood and media have more to do with the perception of smoking being cool then the law ever will be.

And again, who are YOU to say what another ADULT should be able to do to their body.
Then why can't I chose to do a cheeky line of coke or smoke some crack?

I'd argue that the reduction in smoking is the cumulative result of lots of small changes in law. When I was younger the age was 16 and you could smoke where ever the fuck you liked. Now you have to stand in the designated area away from the people that don't need to poison themselves every 20 minutes.

I'm not telling other adult what they should be putting in there bodies. I'm just an annoying antismoking evangelist.
 

Darkstar0155

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Oct 27, 2017
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Then why can't I chose to do a cheeky line of coke or smoke some crack?

I'd argue that the reduction in smoking is the cumulative result of lots of small changes in law. When I was younger the age was 16 and you could smoke where ever the fuck you liked. Now you have to stand in the designated area away from the people that don't need to poison themselves every 20 minutes.

I'm not telling other adult what they should be putting in there bodies. I'm just an annoying antismoking evangelist.

I actually believe ALL drugs should be legal, as long as your not harming anyone else.

And the only laws I would say that have helped decrease smoking, are the ones that have made it to where they cant be in ads that children see. The pop culture of glorifying smoking has ended and that has done more to decrease smoking than anything else. This was not brought around by any law, but more a public perception and acceptance of the dangers of smoking (along with the costs tbh, cigs are just super expensive anymore).

And you ARE telling ADULTS what to do if you support this law at all. You literally said "anything that might stop people is a good thing in my book", and while that is not a direct statement that you support this, it can easily be inferred that you are arguing that this is a good law/idea.
 

KennyL

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Oct 27, 2017
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Tobacco companies are lobbying for age increase.



She believes that Altria is influencing these bills as a continuation of an old company strategy called "Project Sunrise." Back when the company was still called Philip Morris, internal company memos were leaked outlining what they called the "Project Sunrise" strategy. Its goal, the memos said, was to "minimize the effectiveness of the anti-tobacco industry" by working with "moderates" to focus the conversation on "youth access to the tobacco" instead of "bans on tobacco advertising."

Some of the Tobacco to 21 bills supported by Altria might have an even darker purpose, according to Tobacco-Free Kids' John Schachter. He has described some of the state bills that Altria has already helped passed as "Trojan Horse" bills – bills that look like a gift as long as you don't look inside.
 

Felt

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Oct 27, 2017
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A lot of ya'll talking about smoking and letting adults do whatever they want, well...

Let me drop some knowledge on you: you can still get nicotine without smoking, which should be illegal in all public areas.
 

Pillock

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I actually believe ALL drugs should be legal, as long as your not harming anyone else.

And the only laws I would say that have helped decrease smoking, are the ones that have made it to where they cant be in ads that children see. The pop culture of glorifying smoking has ended and that has done more to decrease smoking than anything else. This was not brought around by any law, but more a public perception and acceptance of the dangers of smoking (along with the costs tbh, cigs are just super expensive anymore).

And you ARE telling ADULTS what to do if you support this law at all. You literally said "anything that might stop people is a good thing in my book", and while that is not a direct statement that you support this, it can easily be inferred that you are arguing that this is a good law/idea.
Even if the stopping it in popular culture has done more it still doesn't mean the changes brought through law changes has had no effect. No smoking signs everywhere you go sure send a strong message to those tempted to try what there mates are doing. It all helps to remind people that smoking is poison.

And I do think this is a good law that I hope becomes as ubiquitous as not being able to smoke in public areas or smoke in 18.
 

LastCaress

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Oct 29, 2017
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I actually believe ALL drugs should be legal, as long as your not harming anyone else.

And the only laws I would say that have helped decrease smoking, are the ones that have made it to where they cant be in ads that children see. The pop culture of glorifying smoking has ended and that has done more to decrease smoking than anything else. This was not brought around by any law, but more a public perception and acceptance of the dangers of smoking (along with the costs tbh, cigs are just super expensive anymore).

And you ARE telling ADULTS what to do if you support this law at all. You literally said "anything that might stop people is a good thing in my book", and while that is not a direct statement that you support this, it can easily be inferred that you are arguing that this is a good law/idea.

That's absurd. People shouldn't be given free access to antibiotics or sodium pentobarbital.
 

SonicXtreme

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Oct 27, 2017
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Should put an age restriction on nicotine products in general. Shit is dangerous, highly addictive, and a heavy burden on public health in any way possible.

Yours sincerely

A former smoker
sure, put an age restriction on caffeine products too. and sugar. or you know, let people live their lives, geez, literally everyone has habits that are destructive, smoking/vaping outside away from people is no more offensive than someone coming to work with too much cologne on. you already can't smoke on entire parts of Ohio (i work adjacent to OSU's campus and i literally can't even vape in my car or on the sidewalk away from everyone bc OSU owns the parking lot and gets a huge insurance discount for making up ridiculous rules). which is just another excuse to rack up fees from ticketing.

god forbid we put the guilt on parenting and education, nah just make all the bad things illegal, land of the free, yeah aight
 

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Country need to decide when somebody is an adult once and for all. Rather it be 18 or 21, i dont care. But of they raise it to 21 then you shouldnt be able to enlist or sign contracts either.
 

gozu

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Oct 27, 2017
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America
kids are crazy about juuls, it's very weird and disconcerting to see how many middle and high school age kids are hitting vapes
Why disconcerting? Tests are stressful. Teens smoked back then and now they vape.

It's stupid and ineffective, but it's not like humans don't have a reputation for doing stupid, ineffective things ;)