Ohio teen Joseph Haynes killed by police in courthouse

[night814]

When all you want to use is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

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Prolific.

This situation sounds really fucking shitty.

 

[Commedieu]

home court advantage means shit if you're getting beat down by multiple assailants. probably only one cop too, likely things moved too fast to get backup before the teen jumped into the fray.

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for not knowing any of the facts, which we have to do in this ...era... hehe... you sure are painting a dramatic life or death struggle. Betting on the odds of cops lying... this wasn't a royal rumble with a suicidal family that knows police shoot you at the drop of a dime. But then again, after watching hours of a youtube public meltdown compilation... people are crazy as shit too.

Judges have a little red button under their desk to get more officers to their room at the drop of a hat. The truth is going to surface sooner or later, but initial reporting is usually hogwash.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

the "what if" scenario proposed by the police union is 3 kinds of disgusting.

what if he took the officers weapons? fuckin really? where's the stun gun? night stick? mace?

surely your first fucking option on your utility belt can't be your firearm. fuck that shit.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

the "what if" scenario proposed by the police union is 3 kinds of disgusting.

what if he took the officers weapons? fuckin really? where's the stun gun? night stick? mace?

surely your first fucking option on your utility belt can't be your firearm. fuck that shit.

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It shouldn't even be possible to begin with. The moment you lunge they typically got your ass. Ain't even possible. Happens all the time.

 

[siteseer]

for not knowing any of the facts, which we have to do in this ...era... hehe... you sure are painting a dramatic life or death struggle. Betting on the odds of cops lying... this wasn't a royal rumble with a suicidal family that knows police shoot you at the drop of a dime. But then again, after watching hours of a youtube public meltdown compilation... people are crazy as shit too.

Judges have a little red button under their desk to get more officers to their room at the drop of a hat. The truth is going to surface sooner or later, but initial reporting is usually hogwash.

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i got no horse in this race but i'm trying to empathize with both sides of this cluster fuck situation. you got a pissed off family, a scuffle and a shooting. i'm trying to understand why, instead of going all lynch mob on the cop. the whole thing shouldn't have happened but as you say 'people are crazy as shit'. i got nothing more to add.

 

[KillLaCam]

the "what if" scenario proposed by the police union is 3 kinds of disgusting.

what if he took the officers weapons? fuckin really? where's the stun gun? night stick? mace?

surely your first fucking option on your utility belt can't be your firearm. fuck that shit.

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Idk what's going on with their actual hand to hand training but there's no way that he would have even been able to reach for the gun if the officer was actually well trained. It's so easy to restrain someone, restraining a juvenile should have been no problem. Someone with basic Judo or Bjj training could have atleast taken him down long enough for ppl to come help.


The most that they should need in a juvenile courtroom are some handcuffs and a tazer or something similar. They're not dealing with anyone that would be actually dangerous (if they were trained correctly).


Idk if the cop actually shot out of fear for his life or what. But it shouldn't have even got that far.

 

[jviggy43]

pre-emptivelg saying that the kid shouldnt have been shot and its sad.


In this particular instance, King says on his twitter, the cop pushed the mother against the wall, and the kid "intervened."

Everyone in the US should know to never touch a cop when theyre doing something(even wrongful things) to someone else

The kid apparently went to court for choking his mother, his mother dropped the charges.

The kid has an issue with being violent and pointing his mother's gun at people in public.

King wants you to be upset that the kid placed his hands on an officer, which led to the "scuffle" the grandmother claims happened without her grandson touching the cop.

King wants you to give people a chance despite their history.


A few tweets later hes implying that a consenting porn star shouldnt have trusted Ben Rothlesberger to walk her back to a hotel room after she left Trump. Ben has a history of issues with women.

He cherrypicks his opinions that benefit his audience. In this case, the followers who foam at the mouth for anti-police and anti-Trump news.

He aligned himself with questionable people in the Young Turks recently.

He's done some great things for the original Black Lives Matter movement, and his Ferguson reporting. I personally don't think his work is in the right place anymore.

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And we see instances of incidents like this with grown ass men who are doing shit like this and cops managing to keep their shit together and not immediately reach for their gun. I'm also tired of hearing about every person's past history as of it somehow justifies a use of force in one situation but not another. Especially as a juvenile. An unarmed juvenile. Charge him for assaulting an officer fine. Killing him isn't justice and doing so under the guise of his history doesn't help. So when king reports he attacked a guy who pushed his mother, i fail to see the relevance of his past when those with similar backgrounds make it out unscathed. And an officer being the first to instigate the situation is why the point of emphasis is on the kid responding, not an attempt to obscure the conversation.

 

[Karateka]

Was he trying to grab his gun? Literally the only reason that would make any sense.

I dont know why you even need a gun in a courtroom where nobody can have weapons... Unless its in case of attackers who arent on trail?

 

[julian]

"He is there to protect every person in the courthouse including himself", Mr Ferrell continued, adding that "countless" people could have lost their lives if the suspect had taken the officer's weapons.

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What strange logic. If the cop didn't have the gun in the first place, then it couldn't have been taken.

 

[Powdered Egg]

Sorry, only like 3% of the population would ever reach for a cop's gun. The killer can fuck off.

 

[Zhengi]

That is disgusting. Poor kid didn't even get to live his life.

I hope they charge and put the cop away for good.

 

[zychi]

And we see instances of incidents like this with grown ass men who are doing shit like this and cops managing to keep their shit together and not immediately reach for their gun. I'm also tired of hearing about every person's past history as of it somehow justifies a use of force in one situation but not another. Especially as a juvenile. An unarmed juvenile. Charge him for assaulting an officer fine. Killing him isn't justice and doing so under the guise of his history doesn't help. So when king reports he attacked a guy who pushed his mother, i fail to see the relevance of his past when those with similar backgrounds make it out unscathed. And an officer being the first to instigate the situation is why the point of emphasis is on the kid responding, not an attempt to obscure the conversation.

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A racist against blacks, gun toting caucasian, an asian woman and a black woman all walk out of a room that a black male was murdered in while all three were in the room.

Which of the three would you suspect likely commited the crime? The one with the history and obsession, or the other two?

 

[jviggy43]

A racist against blacks, gun toting caucasian, an asian woman and a black woman all walk out of a room that a black male was murdered in while all three were in the room.

Which of the three would you suspect likely commited the crime? The one with the history and obsession, or the other two?

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I wouldn't presume. Further if we want to talk about a history of violence the instituton of the police in this country was literally founded on chasing down black people for prisoner leasing and continue to disproportionatly target African americans. So honestly even in your scenario it would be pretty up in the air between which individual with the violent history was at fault there.

 

[MrToughPants]

Aren't there cameras in the court house?

 

[lacer]

pre-emptivelg saying that the kid shouldnt have been shot and its sad.


In this particular instance, King says on his twitter, the cop pushed the mother against the wall, and the kid "intervened."

Everyone in the US should know to never touch a cop when theyre doing something(even wrongful things) to someone else

The kid apparently went to court for choking his mother, his mother dropped the charges.

The kid has an issue with being violent and pointing his mother's gun at people in public.

King wants you to be upset that the kid placed his hands on an officer, which led to the "scuffle" the grandmother claims happened without her grandson touching the cop.

King wants you to give people a chance despite their history.


A few tweets later hes implying that a consenting porn star shouldnt have trusted Ben Rothlesberger to walk her back to a hotel room after she left Trump. Ben has a history of issues with women.

He cherrypicks his opinions that benefit his audience. In this case, the followers who foam at the mouth for anti-police and anti-Trump news.

He aligned himself with questionable people in the Young Turks recently.

He's done some great things for the original Black Lives Matter movement, and his Ferguson reporting. I personally don't think his work is in the right place anymore.

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Well, when you put it that way, I can see how Shaun King's lousy reporting justifies this cop in shooting an unarmed teenager