D3P adding the PS4 version made me more confident that this would make it over, glad to see PQube pick it up.
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Omega Labyrinth Z coming west in spring 2018 [NSFW Trailer]
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I wanted to stay out of this, but are you really comparing a genetic disorder, to deliberately child-like drawn characters, where the artist had the fucking CHOICE to use that style?
Really?
This is just.... woah.
No, no pitchforks there, but Kotaku actually did a recent article on the trope and one of the borderline examples they brough up was Tanya from Youjo Senki (Saga of Tanya the Evil). The article admits she's not portrayed sexually but does make the callout for a series where the premise is based on the contrast between the body and the person occupying it. That to me suggested some attitudes to the use of the concept as a whole, possibly influenced by how often the trope is sexualized, but still not used that way in that example.
And it got me thinking about whether that was an isolated opinion or a greater societal position and how that position contrasts with the society creating these works regularly without batting an eye.
It's definitely a cultural difference. I mean, there are plenty of western examples of the opposite in fiction, where children inhabit the bodies of adults. Like Tom Hanks in the movie Big, where he plays a young boy who suddenly grows into an adult man overnight. Or for a more recent example, the TV show Gotham with the character Poison Ivy. Basically Poison Ivy was a young girl, but she was grabbed by someone with the ability to rapidly age anyone they touched. Of course, Ivy rapidly ages to be in her mid-20s so she can be the sexy femme fatale from the comics...yet mentally she is still a little girl. The show then puts her in a bunch of sexual situations where she starts (unknowingly) preying on men's lust for her adult body to steal from them. Which is incredibly problematic because she's basically a child in an adult's body and they are having the camera pan over body, male characters drooling over her, etc. while acknowledging that she is mentally still a child. But somehow that's OK because she's got the body of an adult?
That said I think loli designs are problematic for similar reasons, any sort of association with children and sex is exploitative and wrong, and Japan is pretty poor on this sort of issue in particular.
One could ask the same of why anyone ever designs their characters to be anything but a straightforward visual representation of who they are. Like, a 700 year old dragon makes no sense in any human form since humans don't live 700 years and aren't dragons. It's just that this particular appearance of age is a taboo to you, and thus you can't fathom it's use. But, to anyone not sharing that viewpoint the use of that trope is no different than someone wearing a disguise.
It's about comparing it to a disability or "genetic disorder".
No one forces anyone to draw the characters like that.
discussing loli design here is not a good use of anyone's time and the thread should just talk about the game before it gets locked
It's about comparing it to a disability or "genetic disorder".
No one forces anyone to draw the characters like that.
Uhhh I can't believe people are even comparing the two/defending the two. This thread is gross. :I
It's about comparing it to a disability or "genetic disorder".
No one forces anyone to draw the characters like that.
And as I said, it's not about forcing or rationalizing creative endeavors. That's a pitfall that invalidates most fantasy designs, regardless of their nature and as such is nothing but a double standard.
You have a culture where is is acceptable and one where it isn't. For all the former is concerned you may as well have an issue with people having unrealistic hair.
So everything's cool, because it's anime. Oh and it doesn't matter anyway, because there are handicapped people looking different too.
That's what I'm getting from these posts.
Thanks a lot, from a disabled person.
What does the year have to do with it? Pretty sure some people are always gonna like boobs.
All I'm saying is just because it looks like an apple, doesn't mean it is an apple.
Obviously you have an agenda here. This is the last I'll post here. At least until the conversation goes back to the game.
I'm definitely not in the know with this type of software. Couldn't stop laughing at the trailer. It's ridiculous.
This is pretty nonsensical in a discussion about a visual medium, but whatever.
i feel like there will one day come a day where i get all into dungeon crawlers but so far none have really grabbed me. they all seem so fiddly with menus and items and they exist in a spot between active, turn based and tactical rpg that i havent learned to appreciate. the only one i ever really got into was dungeons of dredmor, which is really just a straight up roguelike
No, but it's the (dismissively truncated) answer to your question about why someone would deliberately chose that style. Problematic as it may be.
You'd have a point if the trope were somehow trying to display a handicap. Often it's not. Justifications range from the ability to chose a physical form to actually having a disorder or some kind with a multitude of stops in the middle.
You went from 0 to inserting a meaning that isn't there and personalizing this really fast, but that leads me to a question: Is there an issue with portrayals of disabilities in these sorts of games or using them as a reason for these sorts of characters?
It's always funny to read statements like this, because there are more and more games like this being localized now.
Before Senran Kagura the most you'd get on consoles was a lewd innuendo in some small JRPG. Now we're at full on breast expansion mechanics and orgasm guns.
The political/social climate has little impact on this niche. Turns out, people still like boobs!
You're still not getting where the issue lies in comparing a disability to a deliberately chosen artstyle, I can't believe this.
To get this discussion back onto the game itself.... this looks kind of boring. Clever logos won't supplement bad gameplay.
I wonder how much they're going to take advantage with the Dualshock Touch Pad.
Again, I'll ask, is the choice to depict a disability wrong?
Besides that, no, I'm not comparing having an actual disability to any choice, artistic or not. I'm not getting that from the post you responded to either (rather it just said there are adults that look like children). That seems like a position you at some constructed from a misunderstanding.
I like boobs too but this game ain't for me. I'll see myself out.
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What does this have to do with ANYTHING in this topic?
Are those 12 year old looking "adults" supposed to be disabled? Are you just trolling?
EDIT: You know what? Fuck this, I'm not here for ableistic bullshit. Keep your answer, I don't want it.
I'm genuinely upset that the Omega symbol outlines her breasts.
There's erotic and then there's embarassing.
Did you make KUF2 your avatar so that I can feel disappointment whenever I see your posts?
There's erotic and then there's embarassing.
Did you make KUF2 your avatar so that I can feel disappointment whenever I see your posts?
I am sure it's been mentioned before, but it can't be repeated too often.
The game is bad, the dungeon layout is random and extremely boring. It's one of the most mediocre and dull rougelikes you can think of.
If you are not buying this for the humongous pairs of titties or you have a breast expansion fetish, you are making a mistake.
The game is bad, the dungeon layout is random and extremely boring. It's one of the most mediocre and dull rougelikes you can think of.
If you are not buying this for the humongous pairs of titties or you have a breast expansion fetish, you are making a mistake.
The fact that you're making the depiction of the characters into a pejorative that you're trying to somehow link to disabilities when no one else did. I'm just trying to figure out what you're even saying. What was the logical leap I missed here? How did we get to equating character design with disabilities, because that certainly didn't start with me?
No, but I can't say you're not in all truth. Especially when the question you just asked was already answered in the part of the post you ignored.
I wouldn't have a problem with japanese ecchi games if at least a few of them had even a semblance of dignity.
I also don't understand why they treat women with such grotesque and extreme objectification. You can make a sexy game without making it so trashy and eye-rolling.
which dungeon crawler is the one for those with a vore fetish
is that dungeon travelers
you are totally right, i just have a soft spot for obviously trashy games
So I'm guessing the characters will be aged as "at least 18"
I just am sitting here saying "w...what" but hey what did I expect.
I just am sitting here saying "w...what" but hey what did I expect.
The remark was definitely not warranted in my opinion, it's way off topic, as well as discussion of "little girls who aren't actually little girls" because that's not what this game is even going for.
As far as the characters looking like schoolgirls, it's obviously going for high school and that's sort of a gray area when you're determining "is this character legal". In actual porn games in high school settings, the publishers will explicitly state in a disclaimer "these characters are legal" to remove the gray area entirely. But in games like this with no sexual acts the publishers don't do that because it's not required.
In my opinion it's only creepy if you're going into this thinking "I want to look at sexualized minors".
Wait, so you do think they look 12? You didn't answer me before so I wasn't sure.
You think they look 12, and I definitely don't. This leads to the sort of subjectivity I was talking about above. Yes, if you play this game and think of 12-year-old girls that's creepy. But assuming that most people who buy this game are thinking that is crazy.
Yes, it didn't say those characters are made because there is a disability which has similar effects, or that the reality of such a disability creates any such obligation. Hence I'm wondering what you pulled that reasoning from.
If a character is 15 in Japan but 18 in the West then I default to the original intended age. So it's still gross.
I just found it so absurd that I couldn't help but to laugh. Then again that's how I feel about most games like this (outside of games with clothing damage which got old a while ago).
That's kind of where I'm at too.
I mean I love cheesecake games with really creative and fun designs (Skullgirls, Shantae, Mighty Switch Force), but these really generic, boiler plate anime games with shitty gameplay and bland, tasteless otaku pandering really are a turn off.
Some class and originality would go a long way of actually carving a decent niche for cute cheesecake games like this.
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