If they're still investigating I take that as a clear sign there are more victims. Otherwise they'd run it now.
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On Voting or Not Voting for Biden in Light of the Sexual Assault Allegations |OT| Discussion Guidelines in OP
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If they're still investigating I take that as a clear sign there are more victims. Otherwise they'd run it now.
Yes.
I'm sure Tucker "What's wrong with Nazis" Carlson is in the case.
Thank you for the responses y'all.
Fox News doesn't learn, let's not be naive.
Fox News doesn't learn, let's not be naive.
Yeah but the only blatantly conversative mainstream outlet is Fox News. The rest of their media are these rags and shit like Daily Caller. The news will certainly percolate its way to the general right wing internet sphere and probably Trump's Twitter itself. Either that or Russian bots.
Fox has journalists still, somehow.
Or they just want to wait for a time the news wouldn't be overlooked because of the current crisis.
You guys should have had this mindset when it could have actually made a difference instead of trashing every non-Bernie candidate and their supporters. It wouldn't have guaranteed anything, but maybe that spirit of cooperation would have been noticed by someone from Bernie's campaign and they would have responded to the Warren campaign's call to coalesce or reached out to the other campaigns and tried to get endorsements for a few concessions or something. It would have been a long shot, but even some small attempt at coalition-building would have been better than the nothing we got. Now it just doesn't matter and doesn't look like it's coming from someplace genuine.
I hate that Biden's probably going to be the nominee, but seeing certain people act like they want to work together only when it's clear that Bernie has no chance to win is something else. There was a chance to put up a strong opposition to Biden and it was blown.
Good post. Feel similarly. Posters here are slamming vote blue no matter who even though the final election is 7 months away.
That's not to say the nomination won't miraculously be Biden (it doesn't even have to be Sanders at this point, I personally would settle for fucking Klob), but people are still emotional and outraged at this news and that needs an outlet right now.
I have in the past, the problem is, not a lot of people listen when they still have their own preferred candidate. Not a lot of Warren supporters would listen right after she dropped either. The timing doesn't get better than now I suppose.
Trust though. This "revolution" shit doesn't work unless we get as many people with us as possible. Some of the angry shouty lefties may be more inclined to burn bridges. Hell I probably burned more than a few myself due to frustration. The thing is though, a people's revolution needs the people. That means the doors are always open. And I'm sure you can understand that while people have been bitter and mean in the past, it's part of this bullshit political game. I think that the movement made mistakes playing into that game too hard. It should have always been about the movement and not about the presidential election.
But hey, join us now. We may not be able to stop Biden from winning the nomination, but we do need people who are ideologically aligned with us. We need to break the political stranglehold that the captialist class has over this country and destroy the toxic system of power that allows rapists and class elites to claim the represent us.
Don't support whoever the nominee is but then you have no say if trump wins other than your a fool for not voting. I don't like Bernie or Biden and think the primary would have been much better without either but if you think not voting is the answer then I stand by whoever doesn't vote don't matter.
I am voting. Just not gonna vote Biden. Which is cool and fine since I'm not in a swing state. But I'm dying to know, would you rather Bernie or Biden be the nominee.
The saddest part of this (outside of Joe being a fucking rapist and his victim getting no justice) is that we began this process with a massive field of candidates and almost all of them were better than Joe Biden.
Warren, Bernie, Booker, Harris…so many fucking choices and yet this Party lands on Biden.
Just…depressing.
Warren, Bernie, Booker, Harris…so many fucking choices and yet this Party lands on Biden.
Just…depressing.
out of those two only one can beat trump and that's not Bernie, Bernie has some great policies but I don't think he's a good candidate or Could have ever beat trump and that includes 2016. I think warren would have been the best candidate but she's not a choice.
I just don't understand the first part of what you're saying. If one of these two evil things will happen, and you believe one is more evil, why is there even a choice?
I understand if two things are bad in different ways and you can't decide which is worse. But if you can make that call, then do your part. Anything less just seems to me like caring more about keeping your own hands clean than protecting people from that greater evil.
Which in my book, is actually a pretty evil act
I'm in camp 1. I'm lucky in that I haven't been the victim of any kind of sexual assault so I'm not going to pretend like I know or understand that point of view. But even if all of these allegations are true about Biden, to me it just means we have two candidates between him and Trump that are both abusers and as much as you (the general "you") might not like it, it's a very possible scenario depending on where you are that abstaining from voting results in a Trump victory, since we've seen republicans pinch their noses and vote their candidate.
Given that choice and knowing that, there's just too much at stake. People have already covered SCOTUS and other judge appointments. That shit will set the country back in ways that a 4-year no-progress Dem won't and those effects will be long-term. Maybe Biden doesn't have the best healthcare plan or environmental plan and isn't the most progressive, but I can't believe anything other than it can't possibly be worse than Trump.
I can't imagine seeing another Kavanaugh appointed to the Supreme Court. I hate seeing every time Trump pardons some scum of the earth, every time he cuts funding for education, or science, or environmental protection. I hate seeing him blatantly lie and get away with it every time. I hate seeing his stupid fucking family acting like we elected the whole Trump kit and caboodle to run this country for their personal gain. I've been to the border in Texas; I've seen the tent courts. I've talked to asylum seekers and heard their stories, and I've heard what happens to them under Trump's stupid remain in Mexico policy. That shit will make you put your head down and weep. The average American can thank whatever god they want to that they don't experience a fraction of what those poor people go through.
I can't pretend to understand where people who have suffered from sexual abuse are coming from when they say they can't vote for Biden. It must be horrible. I don't want to shame them either. But there is no doubt in my mind that more, the most, people will continue to suffer under Trump. If you can grit your teeth and vote someone in spite of the allegations this thread was created around, please do.
Given that choice and knowing that, there's just too much at stake. People have already covered SCOTUS and other judge appointments. That shit will set the country back in ways that a 4-year no-progress Dem won't and those effects will be long-term. Maybe Biden doesn't have the best healthcare plan or environmental plan and isn't the most progressive, but I can't believe anything other than it can't possibly be worse than Trump.
I can't imagine seeing another Kavanaugh appointed to the Supreme Court. I hate seeing every time Trump pardons some scum of the earth, every time he cuts funding for education, or science, or environmental protection. I hate seeing him blatantly lie and get away with it every time. I hate seeing his stupid fucking family acting like we elected the whole Trump kit and caboodle to run this country for their personal gain. I've been to the border in Texas; I've seen the tent courts. I've talked to asylum seekers and heard their stories, and I've heard what happens to them under Trump's stupid remain in Mexico policy. That shit will make you put your head down and weep. The average American can thank whatever god they want to that they don't experience a fraction of what those poor people go through.
I can't pretend to understand where people who have suffered from sexual abuse are coming from when they say they can't vote for Biden. It must be horrible. I don't want to shame them either. But there is no doubt in my mind that more, the most, people will continue to suffer under Trump. If you can grit your teeth and vote someone in spite of the allegations this thread was created around, please do.
Biden has a shit ton of dirt on him so I wouldn't be so confident. And now he's got a credible rape allegation. That might have been fine for the GOP voters but Dems have fucking standards. That's a much tougher sell than "Bernie can't win because he's a socialist".
Pretty much my thoughts. Trump is everything Biden is accused of, but to the 10th degree. It may not seem fair, because it isn't, but it is what it is.
When you see as many shitbag posts as I have, apparently yes. Believe Women*
Basically this, I sincerely believe many people will die that don't need to die if Trump stays in power
And addressing that would be my top priority
You over estimate the American public. They will still vote Biden.
The tougher sell will be socialism in America, especially to older voters.
Also old does not automatically mean republican. Old Democrats do exist.
They didn't come out to vote for Hillary in the places where counted. And that was over some dumb email shit.
I think the first position is a hypocrisy one. You could switch the names of Trump and Biden, and Republicans with Democrats, and you will get the republican rationale for voting for Trump, even when they know they shouldn't. And that is what worries me. It seems there is no personality or voter distinction between the Trump voter and the Biden voter, if you go with this argument.
I can agree more on the third point. Don't vote for either, but vote downwards. Make a statement, or this will continue. It really seems that the democratic party has not learned anything. It reminds me more and more of the British Labour party.
I can agree more on the third point. Don't vote for either, but vote downwards. Make a statement, or this will continue. It really seems that the democratic party has not learned anything. It reminds me more and more of the British Labour party.
People didn't come out to vote for Hillary because of dumb email server shit. They didn't come out to vote for her because they hated her due to a number of reasons. What the Comey Letter/email server did was feed that hatred.
Biden isn't hated anywhere near as much. Will this rape allegation change that in large enough numbers to matter? Uncertain but I feel that we're heading towards a tragedy if Biden denies this and this sole rape accusation is all that comes out.
Sure there were a lot of reasons Hillary lost. But there's a lot of reasons that Biden could lose too. I'm not sold that he's at all more electable in the general than Hillary let alone Sanders. That's just my take though
And Trump wins, stacks the supreme Court and tons of other court positions and any legislation at the local level gets struck down in the now heavy, conservative leaning court system. It does nothing to vote down and local if our checks and balances system negates any possible positive influence local level elections bring us. And I guarantee they will sue every step of the way when some left leaning legislation is passed at every level of government. Not voting against Trump is absolutely stupid
It's obviously hard for a victim of sexual assault to vote for a sexual assaulter. Rationally, you can make the call that Biden is better than Trump, that his actions aren't as reprehensible as what Trump has done, or will do. But people can't always be rational about these things, and I wouldn't expect them to. I wouldn't call them evil for being unable to do an evil act, even if by not doing that evil act, another eviller act happens.
Like if Biden is a rapist, voting for him is an evil thing, even if not voting and letting Trump win is an eviller act. I don't think it stops being an evil thing. If it comes down to Biden vs. Trump, I'll vote for Biden, but I'll recognize that what I'm doing is a terrible thing, that I am rewarding a rapist and putting them in power, and this kind of thing should never be allowed to happen again. I can handle that guilt. But I know not everyone can. And that's not their fault. I'm not going to ask someone to hurt themselves in such a way.
I'm in camp 1. it sucks that this is how it is right now tho. as an aside, I sorta feel like there's not enough clamoring about the supreme justice stuff. if you guys fuck that up god I don't wanna think about it. that and climate change
Yep.Vote downwards and hope Dems take the senate and block any Trump supreme court nominees for the four years. Fuck Biden.
Sure, there are reasons Biden could. lose too. In regards to Hillary I think being male (which is still depressing as fuck to consider) + not nearly as much hated puts Biden as the more electable candidate. Sanders himself is the wildcard option. He could manage to pull off a win but I dread our Senate chances with him at the top of the ticket.
Anyways, I used try to convince people to vote for Biden even if they disagree with him but with this allegation I'm not going to be doing that.
I'll probably vote for Biden if he is the nominee but it's a super bitter pill now. :/
I'm a rape survivor. I'm gonna vote Biden because it's a less shitty choice. I don't particularly like this. I do not think it is immoral to choose the less shitty option of two shitty choices, but I can see how some people could think that. Them's the breaks
I hope I'm not out of line by voicing things in the thread when I have not been a victim myself, but I completely sympathize with those who want to sit out voting for Joe Biden. No one should feel bullied into voting for someone they find unconscionable.
Partly due to where I live I have to vote for Biden in the general if he makes it there. I live in the most conservative county/city in Wisconsin so my vote is a drop in a red sea. It's what I can do to help even if the candidate has done terrible things against an unbroken wall of conservatism where I live.
All I can do is wish that you contemplate voting if you are in a swing state. If not, that's okay, though. Your experiences are not mine and I will not attempt to tell you what to think or do.
I've voted on every state and national election since turning 18 and I don't intend to stop. Wish it was Warren or Sanders, but I can't in good conscience sit this out. Biden seems like a real piece of garbage, but I can't comprehend another four years of Trump.
Partly due to where I live I have to vote for Biden in the general if he makes it there. I live in the most conservative county/city in Wisconsin so my vote is a drop in a red sea. It's what I can do to help even if the candidate has done terrible things against an unbroken wall of conservatism where I live.
All I can do is wish that you contemplate voting if you are in a swing state. If not, that's okay, though. Your experiences are not mine and I will not attempt to tell you what to think or do.
I've voted on every state and national election since turning 18 and I don't intend to stop. Wish it was Warren or Sanders, but I can't in good conscience sit this out. Biden seems like a real piece of garbage, but I can't comprehend another four years of Trump.
Joe Biden Faces Sexual Assault Allegations From A Former Staffer
Update, March 28, 2020: Joe Biden’s campaign has denied Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegation. In a statement on Friday his campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, said, “Women have a right to tell their story, and reporters have an obligation to rigorously vet those claims. We encourage them to do so,
Yahoo picked up the story. Again, if you support Biden, best to get this out now.
Will be curious to see what kind of response he gives, if one at all.Joe Biden Faces Sexual Assault Allegations From A Former Staffer
Update, March 28, 2020: Joe Biden’s campaign has denied Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegation. In a statement on Friday his campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, said, “Women have a right to tell their story, and reporters have an obligation to rigorously vet those claims. We encourage them to do so,www.yahoo.com
Yahoo picked up the story. Again, if you support Biden, best to get this out now.
Because people hated Hillary for decades? Hatred on a massive scale. Hatred assisted by ridiculing of her by media, sketch comedy and late night hosts for well over a decade. People came out the womb and it's highly probable one of the first sentences they heard their parents speak is "fuck Hillary"
The biggest complaint about Biden on that same General public scale is. "Sometimes he falls asleep". Republicans will hypocritically say "but he is a rapist" with zero self awareness about their guy...so they don't count.
Now, that's not dismissing anything Biden did in life that offends a progressive/leftist/ or ear to the street political enthusiast, I'm just stating this country isn't progressive and doesn't care about the same things you do. What you see as red flags, they don't even acknowledge as flags to begin with.
Read this tweet again. Read it 1 million times. This is not "theory" or a "maybe" or a "possibly", this is a reality check. This is real life consequence and what Donald Trump said here is tantamount to assisted murder. This is not hyperbolic speech.
Not giving ventilators has A DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE effect on people's lives today. There are people who will and has died because of this. You think the president doesn't matter?! And is only a mouth piece?! Who controls FEMA? Who is charge of the Federal Gov response to disaster? The fucking president of the United States. And just for icing on your shit cake, he tells governor's to buy them themselves but has FEMA swoop in and outbid them.
1. Trump is more dangerous to the country as a whole than Joe Biden.
2. I am still voting for Joe Biden in the general election if he is indeed the Dem candidate.
3. If these allegations prove true, then I have no problem with Biden being impeached AFTER he becomes president.
2. I am still voting for Joe Biden in the general election if he is indeed the Dem candidate.
3. If these allegations prove true, then I have no problem with Biden being impeached AFTER he becomes president.
I've struggled a lot over the past 10 years trying to accept the mess that is the real world, where there are no perfect answers to complex issues. Lately I've arrived at a two-prong value system:
1. My goal on Earth is to ease suffering.
2. I will always strive to do that the best I reasonably can within the circumstances I'm given.
I already voted in the primary (not for Biden). From now until the general election I will consider every day how I can do the most good to ease the most suffering in the most people, within reason, even if my options or my choices are not perfect.
1. My goal on Earth is to ease suffering.
2. I will always strive to do that the best I reasonably can within the circumstances I'm given.
I already voted in the primary (not for Biden). From now until the general election I will consider every day how I can do the most good to ease the most suffering in the most people, within reason, even if my options or my choices are not perfect.
All because they are blue states and he doesn't want the blame on him. This asshole needs to go.
He openly bragged that he may not give Michigan any of the disaster relief it needs because our governor was "nasty" to him.
Trump is an existential threat to the world. I hate that that means I have to vote for another alleged rapist to get him out but that's the shitty fucked-up world we live in.
I agree.
However, I hope that Biden's bitch ass will step down and he'll endorse the candidate we deserve (Sanders) but that will never happen with our current, centrist/right voting population.
People wonder why us young people grit our fucking teeth while we vote, constantly voting for "the lesser of two evils" time and time again is why.
Exactly, that's a child not a president. Use Biden to vote him out, the Republicans will end up impeaching him.for being a rapist after the fact. Trump needs to go though.
I'm not an american so take this with a grain of salt, but seems to me like getting Trump out of the whitehouse should supercede any other concerns at this point.
Kick Biden out afterwards if needed, but Trump needs to go.
Kick Biden out afterwards if needed, but Trump needs to go.
It isn't a current generation young people thing. Voting for the "lesser of two evils" and having to pick the less gross and awful candidate in most election cycles is the standard for decades. Obama being beloved was an exception to the rule sadly.
Clinton was the lesser of two evils who was a serial sexual assaulter and a moderate who openly wooed southern conservatives. Yet hee ended up the only way to stop Republicans. And at the same time he appointed judges like RBG he continued to be disgusting and assault women. This isn't a new young people problem.
He is not going to endorse someone that will radically change the country and make it's citizens nervous with uncertainty for their future. That's not how the world works. He is not going to endorse the complete opposite of himself.
Beto is more realistic than Bernie at this point.
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