Why can't we hold Democratic moderates accountable for continually voting for morally compromised people just as hard as we yell at Democratic voters who have hit the end of their rope of morals they are willing to compromise to 'win'.
I'm not talking about voting. I'm talking about listening to and supporting victims of abuse when they step forward and not when it's most convenient. Whether it impacts the election is irrelevant.Well, we don't live an ideal world. We live in a pragmatic one, where one bad option is clearly better than the other.
You say you don't speak for all Jewish posters and then go on posting this stuff. Jewish members are telling you its an issue. Do your fucking job. And while youre at it, change the thread title to reflect the severity of the issues here. Youre being incredibly callous to people who are bothered by sentiments expressed in here and people who were affected by the suggestion of that topic, as well as whitewashing that this issue is about a rape allegation regarding the front runner of the democratic party. Like its crazy were letting it get to a boiling point over "an innane post about zombie hitler". The community is telling you its an issue. Treat it like one.I do, and I ask the same. Trying to frame this as me defending antisemitismfeels bonkers. We've talked about ways to improve the way antisemitism is being handled, and the thing that's making you feel unsafe is an inane post about Zombie Hitler?
See above. Its no different.Go look at the politics section and the off topic section of the old place and then come tell me Era is no different.
I do, and I ask the same. Trying to frame this as me defending antisemitismfeels bonkers. We've talked about ways to improve the way antisemitism is being handled, and the thing that's making you feel unsafe is an inane post about Zombie Hitler?
This is an incredibly privileged thing to say. Black people and minorities simply do not have this option and never have.With this tried and tested approach the Democrats will surely win, just like former presidents John Kerry and Hillary Clinton did!
At what point will you people realise you are being completely fucking suckered by a party that is awful electorally and holds you in enough contempt to run a credibly accused rapist against a sitting president they maligned for the exact same reasons? Like, they don't even have a good record you can point to to justify their awful decisions!
Putting discussions of bans is silly because there are ethical reasons why people would choose either option and most people didn't want to be in this kind of situation, but the fact of the matter is, yes, you do have two options where either one has a substantial negative side. Inactivity itself is a choice that has effects and they're important effects here. It's not a pleasant situation.
Cheebo repeatedly clarified what he meant. You can disagree, but this isn't the thread for accusations and interrogations.
I do, and I ask the same. Trying to frame this as me defending antisemitismfeels bonkers. We've talked about ways to improve the way antisemitism is being handled, and the thing that's making you feel unsafe is an inane post about Zombie Hitler?
Yeah, the fact the main crux of the discussion even in the old threads is more about whether people should be allowed to not vote for biden in the general or not without being shamed as opposed to how to best go about preventing him from being the candidate is really telling in regards to how americans view their own electoral systemAs a outsider I would consider take down Biden from being a candidate because he is a unfit POS. That where the energy should goes.
No he's not. If Bloomberg was President right now in place of Trump we would of had Chinese American '''''quarantine houses'''' to address Coronovirus.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Well of course I can agree with that.I'm not talking about voting. I'm talking about listening to and supporting victims of abuse when they step forward and not when it's most convenient. Whether it impacts the election is irrelevant.
We shouldn't be downplaying that this topic is FIRST and FOREMOST about rape and sexual assault.
I'm not sure why you keep talking about one being better than the other. That has nothing to do with listening to and supporting victims/accusers regardless of the outcome.Well, we don't live an ideal world. We live in a pragmatic one, where one bad option is clearly better than the other.
Well of course I can agree with that.
This particular instance, though, is impossible to separate from the political situation. The timing of it ensures that.
i don't really understand the distinction. primary turnout is always very low, presidential turnout is a bit more but still exceptionally low. not voting because of a dislike for the choices on offer is not some fringe positionI have specifically been watching the democratic voter turnout in order to come to that conclusion. The overall percentage of non-voters in the US is not whats being discussed there as a percentage wouldn't vote no matter what.
It's outrageous and delusional to suggest Biden is not better than Trump. Watch the news sometime.No he's not. If Bloomberg was President right now in place of Trump we would of had Chinese American '''''quarantine houses'''' to address Coronovirus.
Jesus fucking Christ.
The impending election is why I'm talking about one being better than the other. You know, the defining context of this situation that can't be ignored, no matter how much you might want to separate the two issues.I'm not sure why you keep talking about one being better than the other. That has nothing to do with listening to and supporting victims/accusers regardless of the outcome.
This is not happening. Biden will clear the delegate threshold by the time contests resume again. Sanders is just delaying the inevitable.There are still enough delegates in upcoming states to give Sanders an overwhelming majority, no forfeiting or delegate reassignment necessary.
In fact, there are enough delegates left to give even Gabbard an undeniable plurality, one that would nearly match Biden and Sanders' current combined total.
What I'm saying is that there's still time to get Biden to drop out OR for voters to do the right thing. Doing so requires people to exert pressure on the DNC, on Biden, on the media, and on other voters.
Yeah, it's sad that the Democratic party is about to have its own "if Trump shot somebody on 5th avenue, he wouldn't lose support"it's pretty telling that many cannot see what's so discomforting by saying you would vote for zombie Hitler over trump just for the democrats to win. You can say it was hyperbole but considering we came dangerously close to a three way race with Bloomberg, that kind of thinking illustrates a stark disconnect within the Democratic Party and one of the segments that they expect to vote for them in November.
There is a literal "tits on TV" thread and every other thread is either a Trump support thread or a thread bashing the media, Muslims, immigrants, or people of color.You say you don't speak for all Jewish posters and then go on posting this stuff. Jewish members are telling you its an issue. Do your fucking job. And while youre at it, change the thread title to reflect the severity of the issues here. Youre being incredibly callous to people who are bothered by sentiments expressed in here and people who were affected by the suggestion of that topic, as well as whitewashing that this issue is about a rape allegation regarding the front runner of the democratic party. Like its crazy were letting it get to a boiling point over "an innane post about zombie hitler". The community is telling you its an issue. Treat it like one.
See above. Its no different.
I have no idea why the importance of the election keeps being brought up when I'm simply talking about supporting and listening to victims. And yes that means a full investigation if they go that route, should be done before and not sat on until after Nov.The impending election is why I'm talking about one being better than the other. You know, the defining context of this situation that can't be ignored, no matter how much you might want to separate the two issues.
Yeah, it's sad that the Democratic party is about to have its own "if Trump shot somebody on 5th avenue, he wouldn't lose support"
This is not happening. Biden will clear the delegate threshold by the time contests resume again. Sanders is just delaying the inevitable.
I nominating process is over. Biden is the Democratic nominee.
Either context matters or it doesn't. I believe that it does.I have no idea why the importance of the election keeps being brought up when I'm simply talking about supporting and listening to victims. And yes that means a full investigation if they go that route, should be done before and not sat on until after Nov.
We literally keep around posters who advocate for war crimes and killing muslims (and then ban muslim posters for having strong reactions to those posts). We keep around people joking about voting for hitler. We downplay and try to white wash rape allegation threads about the democratic front runner. Were not as brazenly stupid and outwardly disgusting, but we are no better.There is a literal "tits on TV" thread and every other thread is either a Trump support thread or a thread bashing the media, Muslims, immigrants, or people of color.
So no it is very very different.
You're framing this as if the choice is on the Democratic voters when they have already made their choice and will cement that decision when contests finish up in the next couple months max.Certainly, if voters don't mind having a rapist as president and Biden isn't otherwise pressured to step aside.
He's nowhere near the threshold right now. If Democrats actually care, he won't get there.
It's outrageous and delusional to suggest Biden is not better than Trump. Watch the news sometime.
You have fucking blinders on if you honestly think that the man who upheld Stop and Frisk, ban Big Gulps because he didn't like them, and has said in private he would do anything to 'make them behave' in light of protests of his policies is better than fucking Trump.
Donald Trump is what happens when you take a typical mobster wannabe off the streets and put him in the highest office that's also been corrupted with psychopaths. Bloomberg is EXACTLY the kind of politicians we should be afraid of post Trump because they are meaner, nastier, and genuinely lust to wield the kind of power Trump has to a focused degree.
Trump would of been more happier and content losing to Hillary in 2016 making easy money off book deals and his 'TrumpTV' network crying about the rigged system and conspiracy theories.
Bloomberg would only be satisfied until he can genuinely make this country Authoritarian lite but this time you can still own a fucking gun.
I'm not here for this conversation. I've seen how some ERA users started painting him as a 'moral grey ally' the moment he donated his lint change to help register black voters because that's how hyper focused on Donald Trump this site is.
Well I'm sorry you feel that way, but I strongly disagree. This community is light years better than that bigoted shithole.We literally keep around posters who advocate for war crimes and killing muslims (and then ban muslim posters for having strong reactions to those posts). We keep around people joking about voting for hitler. We downplay and try to white wash rape allegation threads about the democratic front runner. Were not as brazenly stupid and outwardly disgusting, but we are no better.
This is why posters like you can't be taken seriously.
First of all, don't tell me to shut it, lol. Grow the fuck up, you're on a discussion forum where the entire point is to trade views. Jesus.Oh shut it.
The news is more than happy to sugar coat and ignore all the things Biden has done to directly harm me multiple times throughout his political career when he knew he could get away with it.
I do this radical thing called looking at a candidates official voting records and statements and base my judgements off that. Not fucking CNN.
He's no ally and I legitimately think he's a shit stain of a human being, but if presented with two check boxes housing Bloomberg and Trump - I'd choose the former with supreme quickness.
First of all, don't tell me to shut it, lol. Grow the fuck up, you're on a discussion forum where the entire point is to trade views. Jesus.
I'm confused. What exactly are you suggesting? That we keep her out of the public eye and/or delay an investigation until after the election?Either context matters or it doesn't. I believe that it does.
I live in the US and I'm concerned about the future.
Sorry, but as a black woman I'm not putting my fucking vote for the guy who intentionally designed an enforcement system meant to arrest and beat up black people for no reason legally.
Truthfully I would of simply not voted and protest on the streets, but I would of picked Donald Trump over that shit bag.
If the presidential race comes down to Biden vs Trump then the only correct choice is to vote for Biden. I will not hear excuses for why people are okay risking Trump getting another term to further destroy every marginalized groups rights, spit on the poor, deny climate change and ruin the entire worlds chances of even slowing down global warming. Trump will enable more acts of sexual assault and is a fucking rapist himself.
We don't even know if that would change with Biden. Hes literally still championing the 94 crime bill which made stop and frisk a national practice.And as a Black man, I'm saying I would.
You know how the courts found stop and frisk to be unconstitutional? Putting Trump into power means that for 3+ decades, we probably have a Supreme Court that finds it constitutional.
Well I'm sorry you feel that way, but I strongly disagree. This community is light years better than that bigoted shithole.
The implication of my statement wasn't that you don't read the news at all, but that you come off as uninformed or willfully blind to Trump's mountain of offenses, and the consequences of the incompetence and malice that he displays daily.First of all, don't accuse ME of not reading the news when I don't support Joe Biden. It's a two way street pal.
And as a Black man, I'm saying I would.
You know how the courts found stop and frisk to be unconstitutional? Putting Trump into power means that for 3+ decades, we probably have a Supreme Court that finds it constitutional.