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On Voting or Not Voting for Biden in Light of the Sexual Assault Allegations |OT| Discussion Guidelines in OP
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It's amazing. My white sister in-law came to visit during the '16 elections. The next morning after Trump wins she has the nerve to be in my house blaming Black turnout.
If Biden loses we will somehow be blamed lmao.
Why should he do anything for Black people? Many of us have shown well toss our vote to a Dem just cause. He's friends with racists, his own words. He wrote the Crime Bill which he referred to as the crack house bill. He done showed us who he is yet motherfuckers running to him.
It ain't about perfect it's about looking out for the people. Look at this shit
https://www.resetera.com/threads/me...-s-black-families-combined-study-finds.94023/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/me...-fall-to-zero-by-2053-warns-new-report.12951/
Biden, centrists and moderates ain't doing shit for us. We need left policies and not just black folk need those policies, the world needs them. We need Bernie or Warren, and I don't care if Black people and the south heavily voted for Biden. People vote against their interest all the time this is just another case. All those people have done is chosen a slow death as the reports above show.
Biden ain't his admin ain't gonna do shit. Even if we get Trump out we not really doing anything about what lewd us to him. He is a symptom of the larger problem in this country and world. But everyone so damn scared.
This, ain't no one doing shit for us. Malcolm said it best, the fox and the wolf.
All I can hope for is anyone who refuses to vote in November for the Dem presidential ticket and not actively try to stop Trump's re-election thinks long and hard at the repercussions of that choice before making that choice final.
If their own personal morals of not voting Biden weigh more on them than Trump packing the court with alt-right types (in particular he will replace RBG with someone who will vote to overturn Roe v Wade), continuing to lock children in cages, continuing to gut environmental policy....then that is their choice. I can't control that. No one can. That is their decision. Everyone's own personal morals are their own.
For me I see voting for Biden, the man Joe Biden himself, is as not a morally just thing given accusations against him. However, I personally see voting for Biden, as in the competent democratic administration and cabinet he would replace the Trump corrupt cabinet with and the strong judges he'd appoint to the courts as the morally just decision.
That the need of strong judges and cabinet that would come in and work to save out country outweighs the failings of Joe Biden the man to me.
I am not voting for a particular man to be President. I am voting for a competent non-corrupt government. A White House staff that doesn't make policy decisions due to racism. For court appointments to protect a woman's right to choose. And I see only one choice on the ballot this fall for that.
If their own personal morals of not voting Biden weigh more on them than Trump packing the court with alt-right types (in particular he will replace RBG with someone who will vote to overturn Roe v Wade), continuing to lock children in cages, continuing to gut environmental policy....then that is their choice. I can't control that. No one can. That is their decision. Everyone's own personal morals are their own.
For me I see voting for Biden, the man Joe Biden himself, is as not a morally just thing given accusations against him. However, I personally see voting for Biden, as in the competent democratic administration and cabinet he would replace the Trump corrupt cabinet with and the strong judges he'd appoint to the courts as the morally just decision.
That the need of strong judges and cabinet that would come in and work to save out country outweighs the failings of Joe Biden the man to me.
I am not voting for a particular man to be President. I am voting for a competent non-corrupt government. A White House staff that doesn't make policy decisions due to racism. For court appointments to protect a woman's right to choose. And I see only one choice on the ballot this fall for that.
You obviously want to see what you want to see, and not my expression of how I choose to vote conscientiously. I'm not trying to make anyone's decision for them, only expressing what I've done and plan on still doing.
For the love of god it's not just about personal morals! Drill it into your head, people have trauma! Don't dismiss that! Don't bully that! Don't make them feel like shit because of a fucking trauma block!
Yup this. So many starry eyed young liberals think a top down approach will fix this then be disappointed when they don't get thier way.
The system, probably by design, is basically just a whole bunch ofbcom
he already won. Once. He is actually in office right now.
People aren't dismissing trauma, they're discussing it. Trauma is happening every day under this presidency and efforts to remove the person inflicting that trauma aren't being dismissive of others. One person's trauma isn't more important than another's. The discussion of that is part of the point of this thread. We can acknowledge all trauma while trying to help where we can.
You might wanna reread the threads about Biden's behavior (and even many posts in this thread). I was told my experiences don't make me anymore insightful on the subject than people without them. And the user caught a ban over it.
People still have posting privileges who have cast doubt about the victim because of something she said about Putin.
What do you think these posts are? You think they don't have an impact on sexual assault victims or are dismissive of trauma?
Seems simple: the needs of a few do not outweigh the needs of millions
The overwhelming majority voted for this creep and so he's the only avenue to prevent another avoidable catastrophe like the one we're going though now, or some other one we can't even dream of yet.
The overwhelming majority voted for this creep and so he's the only avenue to prevent another avoidable catastrophe like the one we're going though now, or some other one we can't even dream of yet.
If there's another option other than Biden I'll vote for them. And if you're the victim of sexual assault I understand not voting for him, as that's a special circumstance. I don't think anyone has the right to tell a sexual assault victim to "get over it" or "push through it". Their trauma is their trauma and they have to come to whatever conclusion they feel is right for them.
But for me personally, it's about more than morality it's about people's lives and the long-standing effect Trump will have on this country if he's allowed to stay in office for 4 more years. I would still vote for Joe Biden over Donald Trump, based on his politics, if someone accused him of literal murder. And that is not hyperbole. Reading this thread it seems like Trump has become so normalized that people think abstaining is a viable option.
It's not. It wasn't 4 years ago either when people chose not to vote for Hillary Clinton.
But for me personally, it's about more than morality it's about people's lives and the long-standing effect Trump will have on this country if he's allowed to stay in office for 4 more years. I would still vote for Joe Biden over Donald Trump, based on his politics, if someone accused him of literal murder. And that is not hyperbole. Reading this thread it seems like Trump has become so normalized that people think abstaining is a viable option.
It's not. It wasn't 4 years ago either when people chose not to vote for Hillary Clinton.
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The good news is Biden is a life long democrat that has the ability to beat Trump (we think at least because ELECTABILITY). The bad news is he likely sexually assaulted someone (probably more people than just one, this thing usually is a tract record situation) Hopefully the GOP isn't able to use this for a defense against their own politicians that do the same.
Dunno. I'm speaking anecdotally and specifically about the left. Not the moderates or centrists.
For me it's not that any act of abstention I might do would be in affirmation of Trump. I consider it more of a vote of no confidence in the party to actually hold him accountable if they take full power again.
If Trump is so uniquely bad that nothing should be off the table to oppose him, even a rapist, then the house Dems needed to have been doing more than they are now to check his power. The dude does an impeachable offense every day of the week. They could, and probably should, be impeaching him all the time, to bring a highlight of just how uniquely criminal his acts are and to keep his hands full enough to remove his focus on self-enrichment.
The fact that of all things what they zoomed in on was fucking Burisma and not, say, his failure to divest or his sex crimes or his failure to provide aid to Puerto Rico in the midst of the hurricanes -- let alone the new graft to state governments willing to fluff his ego for medical supplies -- does not fill me with confidence that the party cares more about holding Trump accountable than getting Biden in specifically, and then the rape accusation comes in.
It's hard enough to vote for a rapist. It's harder to vote for one that doesn't want to recognize and address the harm the opposition party is doing. This tepidness in the face of a crisis surge is how we got shit like the Iraq War and torture regimes. Clinton's support for it absolutely hurt her once the general rolled around.
If Trump is such a horrifyingly monstrous leader that even zombie hitler would be shocked at his bloodlust, someone needs to tell Biden about that, because he sure acts like he doesn't know it.
Likewise. I'm in a wait and see mode for the most part. Though I will admit alongside Pete, Biden was the candidate I least wanted to win.
I think the issue is that impeachment takes a lot of time, energy and attention spans wane. People stop caring when you do something too much.
Right now I really think that most people, Dems included are waiting to see how this accusation shakes out. Or at least I hope so.
I honestly don't think this thread can help much in regards to someones personal trauma, the discussion here is very entrenched and combative trying to pull someone to one side or other. I've never found that personally helpful when working though something deep-seated. I just find this an all round an incredibly bad avenue for this, somewhere more neutral where people aren't trying to actively coerce your opinion and people can be more frank seems more suited. Let alone trying to do all this over a single conversation.
The GOP base didn't stop supporting the party's work to try to stonewall Obama-era policy goals. I guess there are people to the left of the GOP who expect a semblance of functioning government from the Trump regime, but I don't know who they are; even the most civics-obsessed moderates have had THIS IS NOT NORMAL as a daily mantra. I struggle to believe even a show trial for each of Trump's many, many crimes would have been a negative for them -- the party certainly wouldn't be blocking effective government!
For the onus to shift to where blame belongs, we would actually have to discuss the responsibility white America has in the stewardship of this country as a whole. So never.
But that's why every day I feel less and less browbeat by forceful demands and threats by Democrats. Because I'm not the one who is really the problem.
GOP's base is different. The GOP in general is also more likely to unite on fucking over the poor and minorities. As to impeaching every crime Trump did/does, I don't think the left is as adept at crafting narratives as the GOP is. It begins to look a little like the boy who cried wolf.
It is my belief that the Dems always have an uphill battle because they have to represent so many demographics (and usually leave black people on the back burner).
Blaming people for a mental block is perhaps the furthest you can go for helping someone. In fact, it signals to them that you don't care about them at all. Will you look at a victim of sexual assault and tell them that there refusal to relive trauma is immoral and obscene because "it helps Trump win"? The only reason why we're having this "topic" is because we have taken the phrase "every vote counts" to mean "if you don't vote for my candidate you are an awful human being". It is a complete perversion of "every vote counts" to browbeat, mock, and shame those who don't line up with your vote, which is annoying enough before you add telling those who are victims to "suck it up".
I live in California so my opinion on this topic, and my decision of who to vote for or not vote for for president, is literally irrelevant and will change nothing. Our whole system fucking sucks...
Sure. And I'm going to end up voting for Biden, but I'm also not going to be a hypocrite and pretend this is fine when we've all been screaming that the election of Trump and his nomination of Kavanaugh is proof that the Republican party doesn't care about women for the last four years.
The party is continuing it's long tradition of having it's only redeeming quality be that they look acceptable standing next to literal facists.
I think he's a trash human being and I'm not going to pretend otherwise in the name of unity. I will cast a ballot for a man I detest and demand that he be better if that's what it comes to, not because he's clearing the lowest of bars, but because Trump is somehow beneath even that.
How the hell are we even having this conversation again? This fucking dude thinks nurses and hospitals are secretly hoarding supplies for themselves to justify why he is failing! And every hour this moron is on charge the death number ticks up.
Well having a Dem rapist president is the 90s throwback nobody asked for, for one thing
Remember when people were angry that AOC said she and Joe Biden don't belong in the same party? Fun times.
Like I said before, there's a reason why there's the phrase "The lesser of two evils." In this case, one evil is almost infintely less than the other evil, but it's still an evil nonetheless. There really are no perfect candidates. Obama was about as close as we ever got in terms of morals and politics. If he's the bar that people have now for President, you're pretty much always going to be disappointed. I'm voting for the lesser evil because far more good will come from that than the opposite.
can we get rid of Trump first
Then burn Biden at the stake after?
He's only one term and would buy us time
Then burn Biden at the stake after?
He's only one term and would buy us time
We aren't neighbors with any Black Land. We are perpetually capped at such a low %. It's sick.
I want a Biden BBQ by July 4th 2020. I want President Biden to be agitated and hounded by women and minorities to the point where he is whispering slurs under his breath every time his phone rings. We are roasting this pig from within the moment he's sworn in, he owes a debt.
Warren was the only candidate I gave a damn about. Everyone else was pretty much a not Trump. They had too many isues for me and and honestly, the accusations are meaningless to me at this point. I want to be clear: I'm not condoning Biden or his actions, but I'm in PA so voting for the dem nominee is important (and again, Warren was the only one I was enthusiastic about), all I care about at this point is getting rid of Trump. At least, I don't see the country falling any further apart under Biden. I don't know if the country can handle 4 more years of Trump - especially since it's likely at least RBG is gone so I think I have to vote for Biden in PA no matter what if he's the nominee and I can't really even think about what's wrong with him.
Honestly, I don't think it will happen (and it's just personal fantasy), but this would make me like a pick of Warren as a VP even more.
Honestly, I don't think it will happen (and it's just personal fantasy), but this would make me like a pick of Warren as a VP even more.
Great post. Doing the right thing sometimes means sacrifice. In fact, most of the time it does. A lot of people are tired of it.. well guess what, So is everyone else. Except for ya know.. fascists. There is nothing brave about giving up on the system even after being knocked down more than anyone else. If you look at the big picture it doesnt add up that there is noone worth voting for, until it is revealed that Biden is actually Trump Jr. or something. He is worth voting for. Signing legislation written by Dems alone is reason enough.
While I'd personally love a Warren VP pick, there's a real shot at the Senate this year and I wouldn't want to lose her seat.
And now seeing Trump suggest hospitals are doing conspiracy shit during this pandemic with masks and ventilators... I just can't deal with this fucker anymore and some people who can vote against him but will not... It's starting to make me just as upset compared to his ignorant ass supporters.
I'm Spanish so I don't have to make this choice in this specific case, but elections are more often than not a matter of choosing the lesser evil. In particular, I strongly disagree with this:
If I'm given a choice to have a cold or the flu, I'll chose the cold. If it's flu or COVID, I'll choose flu. Between COVID and cancer, I'll choose COVID. In none of these cases do I actually desire to endure any of these sicknesses; I just choose what's better for me rather than leaving that choice to others. I think the left needs to stop romanticising so much the act of voting and start seeing it for the straightforward means to an end that it is.
Voting is not endorsing. A vote is nothing more than a pragmatic choice between several possibilities, where the only reasonable assumption being that you vote for either the "best" (or least bad) choice, or the best choice that you consider has a realistic chance to win.
If I'm given a choice to have a cold or the flu, I'll chose the cold. If it's flu or COVID, I'll choose flu. Between COVID and cancer, I'll choose COVID. In none of these cases do I actually desire to endure any of these sicknesses; I just choose what's better for me rather than leaving that choice to others. I think the left needs to stop romanticising so much the act of voting and start seeing it for the straightforward means to an end that it is.
I guess you expect Republicans back in the white house next election if Biden wins? Dems aren't going to go against a sitting president from their own party.
I definitely do not want him to win the nomination. If this is as credible as it sounds he should resign from the race and/or go to trial. If he ends up being the candidate against Trump then of course he will get my vote, because there is just that much at stake.
We really need to focus more on the Courts, I feel their importance in an election often get ignored by Democrats even though they have been and will be the ultimate judges of how far this country can progress. Trump getting to replace Ginsburg will damage women's rights far more than electing Biden.
A big Republican voting point in 2016 was the idea that the Republicans could fill the courts, shift the Supreme Court, change the balance on Republican held issues like Abortion and faith, and repealing ACA.
Trump is also on the ballot, of course I'm voting D straight down, starting with the presidency.
I'll say as an aside that for myself, I felt extremely liberated when I realized that I wasn't obligated to come out to vote for whatever racist neoliberal ghoul that the Dems put forward every four years. Four years ago we were expected to come forward and vote in a racist who attacked the victims of her rapist husband. This year we are expected to vote for a racist rapist. This deal is getting worse at every turn and I can't be a part of a party that thinks this is acceptable.
Either give us a candidate who will improve material conditions for us or the Dems can fuck off into the sun for good. The Democratic Party isn't owed black votes. I don't care what the CBC says. They don't represent me and Joe Biden promising to nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court is textbook tokenism.
Nobody's asking for a perfect candidate, just one that isn't a fucking rapist. Literally bring back any of the other moderates in the race and replace Biden with them and people won't have to worry about whether they're voting for a rapist or not. And when will libs stop using Obama, who is a terrible human being, as an example of morals?
Ironic sentiment considering how many Biden supporters have been showing their ass on this issue and acting like Trump supporters and harassing a poor woman who got raped and suggesting she's a russian plant
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