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Is The Last Jedi a good movie?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Not mah Star Wars proceeds to let out a Chewbacca cry


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MarcelRguez

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Nov 7, 2018
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It's the best Star Wars film since Empire and, from my perspective, most of the people disappointed by it either were let down because the film doesn't conform to their head-canon or don't understand how storytelling works.

The messages of this film are still particularly resonant and it'll take awhile for a large section of the fanbase to come to terms and accept them.
Yup. It runs contrary to what a lot of supporting material was reinforcing through the years (although the prequels toy with the idea of subverting some already established concepts), and it's all the better for it.
 

Critch

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Dec 10, 2017
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Loved most of it. Casino stuff is like cutscenes from the Prequel though. Still better than most of the others.
 

WrenchNinja

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Oct 25, 2017
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My only real complaint is the final fight. It's just really dull to watch. Had the same issue with Rey and Kylo's fight in Force Awakens. Instead of swinging your sword around and dodging like a regular sword fight, they could have thrown in something interesting with the Force. I'm not sure what the deal with the choreography is. Like I don't want stupid flips like the prequels, but there has to be something more interesting you can do on film with space wizards.
 

Heshinsi

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Oct 25, 2017
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You forgot that, unlike ESB, the rebels are practically non-existant now, if it wasn't for Luke's sacrifice it would have been game over. The rebelion is way more fucked up at the end of TLJ than it was at the end of ESB.
There's going to be a time jump isn't there? There's no way a dozen people with no allies, armies, navies, resources, etc, are going to mount a successful galaxy spanning rebellion if the next film takes place right after.
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
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TLJ is great, like legitimately a wonderful film.

I will never understand the ire.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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A sharply uneven movie. There are parts that are really wonderful while large sections just poorly put together. I really enjoyed the story with Luke and Rey and the island parts in general however felt Kylo being injected into them was a distraction.

The opening battle for example has so many contrived moments that don't hold up under scrutiny. Like the dreadnaught jumping in and firing on the planet so it could wait to target the fleet ships? Then they had a clear plan for the dreadnaught which had to have been organized by Leia, with bombers and fighters ready to go, so she has Poe go up and knock out the defense turrets (which in the end didn't matter, all the bombers were destroyed) only to pull the plug on the after the first stage was done. Why risk Poe when she wasn't going to attack with the plan she made, they Resistance fleet could've jumped earlier while the dreadnaught was recharging.
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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I think the main issue with this film was that the "battles" it tried to fight in its messaging really didn't need to be fought. Why was Star Wars and its many elements a thing that needed to be deconstructed in the form of a massive big-budget 2.5 hour film? The film doesn't actually give many answers to this, and the answers it does give really are based on the application of real-life stuff to a fantasy sci-fi world (see: All humans are flawed so Luke must be depressed). It's Rian Johnson's personal thesis on what he thinks of the Star Wars franchise and, frankly, it's a very muddled piece with a lack of a strong conclusion.
Star wars is literally always been based on the application of real life stuff to a fantasy sci-fi world, right down to the empire literally being comprised of space nazis who share the same name as the real life nazi troops.

sure but its not real or important. Hell they're all fucking smiling and hugging at the end after getting decimated.

The closest thing to a loss is a fucking meme character
They're smiling and hugging due to the sheer amount of relief and that scene ends with a concerned Rey asking Leia, "How do we build a rebellion from this?"
 

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The twists Johnson brought were what was needed to keep the series fresh. And even then, it could still use a greater refresher.

Besides Like dusting his shoulder off after emerging from a certain attack at the end, Episode IX, for me, was really good.
 

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A visually incredible movie that was a fun ride in the moment, but also really killed my interest in Star Wars because of how it just discarded everything the first movie in the trilogy set up.
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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Also....this is probably one of the most graceful death scenes ever.
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A visually incredible movie that was a fun ride in the moment, but also really killed my interest in Star Wars because of how it just discarded everything the first movie in the trilogy set up.
Nah
Resistance is packing up trying to get away from their base on D'Qar. Direct continuation from TFA where, if you don't recall, Starkiller base was charging up to fire on the Resistance base. FO knew where they were. FO forces were not concentrated at Starkiller base, and it's destruction did not destroy the FO ability to swiftly enter into the galaxy conquering mode.

Finn wakes up from coma, shouting REY, first thing he asks anyone he recognizes, 'Where's Rey?' Direct continuation of his attitude and mission from TFA. If you don't recall, he told Han he specifically came to Starkiller to get Rey.

Luke and Rey on Ach-To, don't know how you can miss the direct continuation there.

Snoke and Kylo. end of TFA, Snoke orders Hux to bring Kylo to him so he can complete his training. Direct continuation, where Snoke berates Kylo for his failure to take out Rey. I personally assume that this convo could itself be an aspect of his training, though it isn't necessarily that, could just be what it appears to be, a dressing down for failure. Training to come later.

That all work? How does TLJ disregard things set up in TFA?
 

dragonbane

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Oct 26, 2017
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Beyond all the hyperbole on either side I think this movie is just decent. Entertaining during many segments, flawed and eye roll inducing in some of the others. I will see the next one but TLJ build absolutely zero actual excitement towards it
 

Azoor

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Oct 25, 2017
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I didn't mind the Canto Bight stuff that much, it's the Poe Vs Holdo stuff that really bothered me. That subplot could have been written a lot better because as it stand it's muddled and not really compelling.
 

julia crawford

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Oct 27, 2017
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Overall rather unremarkable and vacuous, a plaything of sorts that is bound until death to its expectations and which will never overcome them.
 

SpookyLettuce

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May 26, 2018
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I still love it. Everything to do with Luke, Kylo, and Rey is some of the series' highest highs — the connection scenes with Rey and Kylo, the entire throne room scene, everything on Crait, everything on Ahch-To. Thematically too, I think it's the most interesting of the movies so far.

The biggest problem I have with it is that the lack of a time jump makes it feel more like TFA Part 2 than a full-on sequel. Some of the Poe and Finn/Rose subplots feel awkward — i.e. the fact that Finn and Rose make an excursion to Canto Bight makes the Resistance's plight feel less urgent.

I'd place it probably 2nd after Empire. TFA feels more consistent overall, but the peaks of TLJ are just so good. I get some qualms people have with the film, but I don't think I'll ever understand the extreme things I've heard ("it ruined the franchise", "Rose is worse than Jar Jar").
 

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It's awful. With each new film it feels like we get further and further away from what made the original trilogy special. The entire message of this recent trilogy just seems to be "let me kill your childhood and characters you loved so I can sell more toys."
 

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I used to think it was the best since Empire but with more months to reflect on it....

The Last Jedi is the best piece of Star Wars media every made. Film, tv, book, comic, etc. The Last Jedi is the definitive best piece of material ever associated with the Star Wars franchise.

What an incredible blockbuster film this was, with countless iconic moments that are franchise best.
TRAJQT4.jpg
 

Plum

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May 31, 2018
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Star wars is literally always been based on the application of real life stuff to a fantasy sci-fi world, right down to the empire literally being comprised of space nazis who share the same name as the real life nazi troops.

That's an awful comparison. Taking inspiration from real-world events is nowhere near the same thing as applying those real-world events or, in Luke's case, assumptions (because people who don't become total failures after achieving something great do exist in real life) to the setting. The former enhances the story whereas the latter dictates it. If we were to take your "Space Nazis" comparison to the extreme Star Wars would literally never be able to work as "wars don't work that way in real life!"
 

Smelck

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Oct 27, 2017
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I used to think it was the best since Empire but with more months to reflect on it....

The Last Jedi is the best piece of Star Wars media every made. Film, tv, book, comic, etc. The Last Jedi is the definitive best piece of material ever associated with the Star Wars franchise.

What an incredible blockbuster film this was, with countless iconic moments that are franchise best.
TRAJQT4.jpg
Cheebo, you truly are the worlds No1 TLJ fan ....good on ya ..

...you just need to come to terms with the fact that for people like me ....it sucks balls :)
 

Mengy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I used to think it was the best since Empire but with more months to reflect on it....

The Last Jedi is the best piece of Star Wars media every made. Film, tv, book, comic, etc. The Last Jedi is the definitive best piece of material ever associated with the Star Wars franchise.

What an incredible blockbuster film this was, with countless iconic moments that are franchise best.
TRAJQT4.jpg

Like I said above, the film looks fantastic, but to me most of those moments ring hollow and meaningless. In my opinion a pretty picture alone does not make for an "iconic moment", you need story behind it too, and that is where TLJ fails miserably for me.

I'm glad some people love it, but I think its a very bad film.
 

Aaron

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Oct 25, 2017
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Loved the movie. One of the best in the series.

Wish discussion surrounding it wasn't so toxic, but nerds.
 

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Cheebo, you truly are the worlds No1 TLJ fan ....good on ya ..

...you just need to come to terms with the fact that for people like me ....it sucks balls :)
Far from the biggest fan. There are so many articles and videos I have seen that gone into the depths of why this movie is as great as it is that I could never pull off. Not to mention millions of SW fans would say TLJ is the franchise best it is pretty safe to say. I am just one of that endless sea.
 

PandaShake

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Oct 25, 2017
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Loved episode 7, just okay for 8. Didn't like the direction they went with Luke. If they were going that route, at least give Rey and Luke more screen time and development to make Luke's passing more meaningful. I'd prefer cutting Rose and Finn's adventure in the casino for that. Luke just came and went. One quick fireside chat with Yoda and Luke was already ready after such a long mystery. Looking forward to 9.
 

dabig2

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Oct 29, 2017
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I think you're giving Poe's story too much credit. This fool gets hundreds of people killed because he couldn't control his ego and is given command at the end for no reason. The fact that Finn, Rose and Poe are directly responsible for leaking the escape plan to the First Order will probably never be referenced again.

Rey, Luke and Ren's plotline was great though, putting aside the fuzzy handling of Luke's death at the end.

Yup. And oh man do I have a lot of issues, so much that I'm struggling to even get the words out.

I'll say at least this: I low-key don't like nor appreciate that they turned the few people of color in this film (fuck, the entire franchise) into complete and utter easily duped failures that ended up getting most of their friends and colleagues murdered and basically damning the Resistance entirely. Literally set the galaxy back.

Thank god for white people though , amirite TLJ?
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly I go back and forth on it. It's got moments of genuine greatness, then it's kinda clunky and feels overstuffed, as if it could have been two movies. I remember the first time I saw it thinking.. Holy shit did that movie have twelve acts?

The biggest offense of the film for me is that Rey essentially gets pushed to the side in order to tell Luke and Kylo's story. She's reacting to their dynamic instead of the film delving into her inner workings that were laid out in TFA. Her character development was lacking, which is inexcusable IMO for a film that is two and a half hours.

There's a particular clumsiness in the transition from her attempting to kill Kylo to "you're not alone". It's an interesting idea but it happens too quickly.

And IMO Finn should have been an integral part of the overarching story with Rey, as he was in TFA. I actually enjoyed Bight, and loved the designs there. It just felt less important and very disconnected with the importance of what Rey was doing.

That being said.. Man there were so many fantastic moments. Every interaction with Rey and Luke was golden. I honestly would have watched a whole movie about them on the island. I felt like it should have been longer, but the structure of the film would have had to change to get this.

Snoke and Kylo was brilliantly executed. Pretty much everything in the throne room is just brilliant SW.

Luke and Leia were excellent and their conservation on Crait is one of the strongest moments in the franchise. Luke's redemption is the best idea the film has.

There's a lot more but I'll leave it there for now. I'm very excited to see what JJ does from here, as he has essentially been given a clean slate again.
 
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1. Return of the Jedi
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. A New Hope
4. The Force Awakens
5. The Last Jedi
6. The Phantom Menace
7. Revenge of the Sith
8. Attack of the Clones.
 

sir_crocodile

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Oct 25, 2017
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Has there ever been a binary ""Was TLJ a good film?" poll on era? Curious to know what the consensus is. Certainly feels like it's a "No".
 

Smelck

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Oct 27, 2017
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Far from the biggest fan. There are so many articles and videos I have seen that gone into the depths of why this movie is as great as it is that I could never pull off. Not to mention millions of SW fans would say TLJ is the franchise best it is pretty safe to say. I am just one of that endless sea.

sweet as - let's see how IX does at the Box Office next Xmas , hope that endless "sea" all turns out to watch it :)
 

Osahi

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Oct 27, 2017
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It gets better every time I see it, not in the least because of the discussions I held about it, which forced me to really think about the themes, story and character evolution, and made me realize how well it is al told and developed. It turns the saga on it's head by challenging the tropes, while still being a true, fun Star Wars movie in every sense. It's exactly what Star Wars needed and what a modern blockbuster should be...

But it's not perfect. Especially the pacing is a bit off in places, and though I don't mind Canto Bight, the Farthier chace has some iffy CGI/compositing that takes me out of the action every time I see it.

It's also a movie that is often misunderstood ('burn it all down' is not what this movie tells us. It's quite the contrary). Together with Infinty War it also made me realise modern audiences seem to prefer plot over story. So if a plotline doesn't has a big effect on the situation it's 'useless', even when it changes a character immensly.
 

Illusion

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Oct 27, 2017
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Bad:

Ray mystery was boring and worked up for nothing.
Finn fight was anti-climatic and his victories are boring.
Casino Planet is a relic of terrible movie decisions that plagued the prequels.
Rose is naive and saving Finn after a huge emotional impact felt like a middle finger to audiences.

I could go on. But the warping through the ships causing huge damage and the red guard fight was pretty cool I guess?
 

Hero_of_the_Day

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Oct 27, 2017
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I still haven't given it a second watch, despite grabbing the 4K release day one. Some day soon. It is hard for me to imagine I grow to like.

I am still excited for Episode 9, and even Johnson's trilogy if it actually comes to be.
 

Vector

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Feb 28, 2018
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I thought the only good parts were the cameos/OT character plots - all that was Disney-introduced was boring and bland.

I really loved Rogue One though, haven't watched Solo yet.
 

Prattle

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Oct 30, 2017
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The twists Johnson brought were what was needed to keep the series fresh. And even then, it could still use a greater refresher.

Besides Like dusting his shoulder off after emerging from a certain attack at the end, Episode IX, for me, was really good.

The Skywalker saga didn't need refreshing. It needed finishing.
 

Waffles

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Oct 27, 2017
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It fits right alongside ANH as my second favorite of the franchise. There are some definite issues with the film, but I thought it was great.

Maybe I'm just not thinking well enough, but I keep seeing mentions that it doesn't work as the second movie of a trilogy in setting up the third movie, and I struggle to come up with movie trilogies where this is done well, if even ever attempted. Maybe I'm just not thinking of it correctly though.

Edit - other than the other SW trilogies I mean. But I guess that is a bar TLJ should be meeting.
 
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subpar spatula

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's like if GI Joe tried to reinvent itself. Stat Wars was over the moment George Lucas finished his movies. These newer ones can be considered irrelevant but box office successes.